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Old 01-23-2010, 12:26 PM   #1
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BMR'd my Camaro

Put on the sub-frame connectors and tunnel brace yesterday. Toe rods had the wrong size bushings, so will do those next Friday and update.

Pretty easy install, only issues are:

Getting the nut carriers up into the frame took a few taps from a small hammer & smaller fingers to get up in and positioned. The nut carriers that slide in the open portion of the frame are easier, you just need help holding up the connectors while you get the bolts started. The silver bolts that come with subs are a little long and had to be shimmed going into the frame, the ones holding the tunnel brace were close, but did not hit the body. Also, with aftermarker exhaust, you may want to shim the tunnel brace so it doesn't hit the pipes. Used washers instead of the 1/2 inch shims(cut pieces of pipe) that came with exhaust.

The toes as I said, we did not install due to wrong size bushings. The right ones are being shipped Monday. Did not want to deal with drilling out the wrong ones on a lathe, so I'll just wait. The only issue there is you will need to drop the sub-frame on the car a couple inches to sneak the inside bolts out and past the fuel take. Without dropping, you may be able to tap them out, but will never get them back in!

Already had the tailing arms in, no issues there.

I got the car up on ramps in my garage and decided there was not enough clearance to work comfortably. Took it to my local shop where it was much easiler.

Brandon & Jeff @ IPS got the stuff to me with a little help from their friends........
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Old 01-23-2010, 12:29 PM   #2
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:34 AM   #4
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Thanks for the info and Pics!! How big a difference is the handling? How's the ride quality now compaired to stock?
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Old 01-24-2010, 11:22 AM   #5
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It has been raining cats & dogs here, dodging them has been easier with the tightened up rear end.

This mod will improve the handling a bit by stiffening the body, but it's really to get the rear end to stay put and transfer power to the rear wheels. BMR might have more clarity on that.

Will let you know how she pulls after the drags 2/28 @ Fontana. She should really hook and go this time!
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Old 01-24-2010, 01:54 PM   #6
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If it were for handling alone I'd have to use an overkill smiley. lmao

But I'll be looking for your update on how your test runs go. I didn't know you could benefit this way from this.
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Put on the sub-frame connectors and tunnel brace yesterday. Toe rods had the wrong size bushings, so will do those next Friday and update.

Pretty easy install, only issues are:

Getting the nut carriers up into the frame took a few taps from a small hammer & smaller fingers to get up in and positioned. The nut carriers that slide in the open portion of the frame are easier, you just need help holding up the connectors while you get the bolts started. The silver bolts that come with subs are a little long and had to be shimmed going into the frame, the ones holding the tunnel brace were close, but did not hit the body. Also, with aftermarker exhaust, you may want to shim the tunnel brace so it doesn't hit the pipes. Used washers instead of the 1/2 inch shims(cut pieces of pipe) that came with exhaust.

The toes as I said, we did not install due to wrong size bushings. The right ones are being shipped Monday. Did not want to deal with drilling out the wrong ones on a lathe, so I'll just wait. The only issue there is you will need to drop the sub-frame on the car a couple inches to sneak the inside bolts out and past the fuel take. Without dropping, you may be able to tap them out, but will never get them back in!

Already had the tailing arms in, no issues there.

I got the car up on ramps in my garage and decided there was not enough clearance to work comfortably. Took it to my local shop where it was much easiler.
We just did this install for Camaro Performers Magazine.

BMR has replaced the bolts in your shots with new ones that work. Also, the bushings in the toes were the correct ones now.

Instead of dropping the sub a bit to get out the driver's side toe rod bolt we used a pry bar and GENTLY used it to push in the plastic gas tank liner enough to get the bolt out. When we reassembled the car we put the bolt back in the opposite direction.

There was on bracket where the holes didn't line up (the one with one nut and one hole and a handle that goes into the front sub). We fixed it and BMR is making a change to thier kit.

Overall it was VERY easy to install with the subframe connector taking under an hour total and the rear trailing arms and toe arms taking maybe an hour. We still need to do the install on the drive shaft safety loop.

Note: our car had an aftermarket JBA exhaust and there were no clearance issues.

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Old 01-24-2010, 02:24 PM   #8
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Nice. Thanks for sharing!
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Old 01-24-2010, 02:33 PM   #9
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Old 01-24-2010, 03:23 PM   #10
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If it were for handling alone I'd have to use an overkill smiley. lmao

But I'll be looking for your update on how your test runs go. I didn't know you could benefit this way from this.
I would have to disagree. This should be a VERY nice mod to make handling considerably better. Being only $250 for the brace is a fantastic price.
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Nice pictures, and general information for other members! It will be interesting to get more feedback on the product once the weather comes around for you. The rapport is always the most interesting ( aside from very nice install pictures ) . Looks great!

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Thanks Steve, you beat me to it! That is correct, the bolts in the subframe connectors have been corrected since you both performed your installations. We always welcome customer feedback. Turns out the bolt size was correct, our supplier just sent us bolts with shanks instead of full threads and the packaging department didn't know any better. Glad to see the installs went well.
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Old 01-27-2010, 08:52 PM   #14
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Old 01-28-2010, 11:05 PM   #15
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i gotta get my toe rods and trailing arms put on still. looks good though. hows it handle? i wont know until spring.
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Old 01-31-2010, 11:32 AM   #17
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Will let you know after the drags on 2/28. She should really hook up and go.

More feedback after the 5/17 Hurst track day!

Driving on the street, I can't really test her limits.
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We did some testing and our car did feel better. It also launchs smoother with no wheel hop at all.

Nice mod..
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You honestly should feel a pretty big difference. Let us know how it works out for you.

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How much lower do the bars hang vs the factory lowest spot? Just wondering if there will be clearance issues for the dropped folks?
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Old 02-02-2010, 01:00 PM   #21
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I have the eibach sport 1" drop springs on the car.

The subs are the lowest point on the mod & it's maybe 1 inch lower than stock.
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How much lower do the bars hang vs the factory lowest spot? Just wondering if there will be clearance issues for the dropped folks?
You lose about .5"-1" clearance at the most and still have plenty clearance to work with so there shouldn't be any issue at all.
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Agree!

Only issue is if you run over a parking stop, they might hit.....................
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