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Old 02-09-2010, 05:03 PM   #1
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Installed Eibach Springs - Camber problem.

After the installation of my Eibach springs. I took my vehicle to get an alignment. The people at the shop told me that my front end has no method of adjusting Camber, and the front right wheel is outside of spec range by .4 degrees.

Is this a large issue, and if so how can I go about fixing it ?
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Old 02-09-2010, 05:18 PM   #2
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There are camber kits you can buy that will allow adjustment.
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Old 02-09-2010, 05:32 PM   #3
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part number, link, something ?
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Old 02-09-2010, 05:38 PM   #4
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Or the alignment shop can loosen the spindle at the strut to get some adjustment. When the springs were installed the spindle to strut connection is all the way to one side causing the problem.
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Old 02-09-2010, 05:44 PM   #5
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The two huge gorilla-tight bolts that connect the steering spindle to the strut is where the adjustment comes from. A lot of slop in those. Just like Q-ship said.

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Old 02-10-2010, 11:24 AM   #6
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The two huge gorilla-tight bolts that connect the steering spindle to the strut is where the adjustment comes from. A lot of slop in those. Just like Q-ship said.

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I noticed the same thing. I just let them hang freely when I tightened them back up so that both sides would be the same. Alignment shop said it was fine.
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The front camber is adjusted at the spindle where the strut mounts to it. You just loosen the (2) large bolts that clamp the strut to the spindle and camber can be adjusted. The adjustment bolt shown in the image below is not there from the factory however the spindle is already threaded for it (G8's come with this bolt installed already). It is basically a jack-screw and pushes up against the strut body to adjust camber.



On our Project TriloG Camaro we set all of own alignments and you can actually access this bolt through the wheel making trackside camber adjustments much simpler (assuming you have camber gauges, of course).

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Old 02-11-2010, 01:27 PM   #8
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After the installation of my Eibach springs. I took my vehicle to get an alignment. The people at the shop told me that my front end has no method of adjusting Camber, and the front right wheel is outside of spec range by .4 degrees.

Is this a large issue, and if so how can I go about fixing it ?
First of all, you need a different alignment shop! Your front cambers are totally adjustable, but GM left the adjuster out because Monroe did not put the adjuster plate on the front struts. So to adjust the front cambers, you loosen slightly the 2 very large bolts that secure the strut to the knuckle, and move the tire in/out manually to get the desired amount of camber. Now you can install a adjuster screw in the knuckle hole and use it to adjust. But after you re done, you should remove it so it will not come out. Also common sense needs to be applied so yu do not use excessive force to try and adjust. Doing so, can dent the OE strut.

What are the specific specs front and rear that your Camaro are set at?

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Old 02-11-2010, 02:04 PM   #9
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First of all, you need a different alignment shop! Your front cambers are totally adjustable, but GM left the adjuster out because Monroe did not put the adjuster plate on the front struts. So to adjust the front cambers, you loosen slightly the 2 very large bolts that secure the strut to the knuckle, and move the tire in/out manually to get the desired amount of camber. Now you can install a adjuster screw in the knuckle hole and use it to adjust. But after you re done, you should remove it so it will not come out. Also common sense needs to be applied so yu do not use excessive force to try and adjust. Doing so, can dent the OE strut.

What are the specific specs front and rear that your Camaro are set at?

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alright, here is what i got from them
Please tell me if this is right, they told them they got these specs from the dealer

Front:
Caster: min/max 5.9 degrees to 6.9. mine were at 6.3 / 6.2 when finished
Camber: min/max -1.0 / -0.1. Mine were at -0.8 and -1.3 (the right wheel being out of spec range according to them)
Toe min/max -0.05 / 0.15, and total being -0.10 / 0.30. mine at .10 / .10 / .20

Rear:
Camber: min/max -0.9 / 0.1. mine were at -0.5 and -0.3
Toe: min/max -0.05 / 0.15, with a total of -0.10 / 0.30. Mine were at 0.10, 0.10 and 0.20
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alright, here is what i got from them
Please tell me if this is right, they told them they got these specs from the dealer

Front:
Caster: min/max 5.9 degrees to 6.9. mine were at 6.3 / 6.2 when finished
Camber: min/max -1.0 / -0.1. Mine were at -0.8 and -1.3 (the right wheel being out of spec range according to them)
Toe min/max -0.05 / 0.15, and total being -0.10 / 0.30. mine at .10 / .10 / .20

Rear:
Camber: min/max -0.9 / 0.1. mine were at -0.5 and -0.3
Toe: min/max -0.05 / 0.15, with a total of -0.10 / 0.30. Mine were at 0.10, 0.10 and 0.20
I would very much question the accuracy of the rears at least. You cannot get -.3 to -.5 rear camber with drop coils in the back.

Your front should be easily fixed.

For max handling with what you have I would do this:
Front
cambers to -1.0 each
toe to .1 degrees toe out each

Rear
Cambers to -.5 each
Toe to .05 degrees each.

These settings will maximize geometry to give you the best understeer resolution possible without adding more upgrades

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Old 02-12-2010, 12:58 AM   #11
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I would very much question the accuracy of the rears at least. You cannot get -.3 to -.5 rear camber with drop coils in the back.

Your front should be easily fixed.

For max handling with what you have I would do this:
Front
cambers to -1.0 each
toe to .1 degrees toe out each

Rear
Cambers to -.5 each
Toe to .05 degrees each.

These settings will maximize geometry to give you the best understeer resolution possible without adding more upgrades

thanks
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Hmmm. Will this increase tire wear? I'm afraid to go away from what they said GM specs were. I don't know much about this kind of stuff, I figured getting an alignment shouldn't be rocket science but its been a horrible process so far for me =/

Also, you stated that you can't get to -.3 to -.5 camber with drop coils only, but then you state i should go with -.5 camber each ? how so if its not possible according to you?
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Hmmm. Will this increase tire wear? I'm afraid to go away from what they said GM specs were. I don't know much about this kind of stuff, I figured getting an alignment shouldn't be rocket science but its been a horrible process so far for me =/

Also, you stated that you can't get to -.3 to -.5 camber with drop coils only, but then you state i should go with -.5 camber each ? how so if its not possible according to you?
We have been involved with a rather large amount of installs and analysis on this. About the lowest we have seen on the rear with a drop is about -1.0 or so. that is comparing maybe 30 plus drops. Now we have seen a lot of OE variations in the front, not not the rear. At -.5 the the wheel will look veritical. At -1.0 the wheel will have a visual inward tilt at the top

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