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Old 02-19-2010, 05:03 PM   #201
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Well the pictures do look the same if you just use your imagination and look at the newest pictures they found and the ones in the post above. You can clearly see that pillar across the center like it was in the pictures where it's outside that brick building. They did say the differences between the Z28 and SS would be noticeable, who knows, maybe this is what they meant.

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However, the photos themself are questionable.

Without first hand knowledge of how the MILFORD proving grounds are set-up ( fenced to keep tresspassers out or not), those PHOTO's appeared to be taken within the confines of the track itself! (Optics don't lie)

Point? Simple, the images provided are in my opinion are staged to give the appearance from a distance and added effect of a "SPY PHOTO" to add to the mystic to make them more authentic!
You'd be surprised how advanced the camera tech. is these days. The guy who took this picture easily could've been standing on top of a truck looking over a fence with a high zoom optic on his camera, you can't judge the picture when you don't know the equipment being used...

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However, the photos themself are questionable.

Without first hand knowledge of how the MILFORD proving grounds are set-up ( fenced to keep tresspassers out or not), those PHOTO's appeared to be taken within the confines of the track itself! (Optics don't lie)

Point? Simple, the images provided are in my opinion are staged to give the appearance from a distance and added effect of a "SPY PHOTO" to add to the realism to make them more authentic!
Conspiracy theorist anyone? There's no need to have added the effect of a "Spy Photo" because they are spy photos. I received these images directly from the spy photographers who shot the images. And that's how I was able to relay that the car had a "blaring" exhaust and was only on the track for a few moments. Sorry, but your opinions are just that, opinions. The fact is -- whatever this car is, it was actually spied during track testing.

As for where the cameraman was during the shot, how do you know how far they actually were positioned for these shots? They may or may not have been in the confines of the track, but with the use of telephoto lenses (which spy photographers undoubtedly carry) they don't necessarily have to be within the confines of the track. In fact, the pics appear to have an exaggerated perspective (making closely located subjects even bigger and remotely located ones even smaller), a result usually associated with telephoto lenses.
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Hmmmmmmm, we rarely have the honor to hear from TRAN.....................yet 7 posts in this thread alone..................so far.

Me suspects he has an interest in this one........................just sayin'
And curiously, Number 3 posts but doesn't comment.

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Conspiracy theorist anyone? There's no need to have added the effect of a "Spy Photo" because they are spy photos. I received these images directly from the spy photographers who shot the images. And that's how I was able to relay that the car had a "blaring" exhaust and was only on the track for a few moments. Sorry, but your opinions are just that, opinions. The fact is -- whatever this car is, it was actually spied during track testing.

As for where the cameraman was during the shot, how do you know how far they actually were positioned for these shots? They may or may not have been in the confines of the track, but with the use of telephoto lenses (which spy photographers undoubtedly carry) they don't necessarily have to be within the confines of the track. In fact, the pics appear to have an exaggerated perspective (making closely located subjects even bigger and remotely located ones even smaller), a result usually associated with telephoto lenses.
There are a few road sections at the Milford Proving Grounds that can be seen from the public roads. GM has taken care to plant trees and add burms where practicle. But the experienced photographers know the few remaining spots.

And since GM knows about these spots they don't take stuff on those sections of roads very often because they know they are likely to be photographed.

I could tell you a story about the craziness on one drive event when the C6s first went on the public roads. Lets just say the photographer was relentless to the point of endangering people....................and he was of the most famous of them all. They go to the limit to get you photos like these. So don't think this was some dude with his camera phone.

The above statement should not be interpretted of construed as some type of acknowledgement of the car in the photo. It would remain in the relm of speculation on everyones part.
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There are a few road sections at the Milford Proving Grounds that can be seen from the public roads. GM has taken care to plant trees and add burms where practicle. But the experienced photographers know the few remaining spots.

And since GM knows about these spots they don't take stuff on those sections of roads very often because they know they are likely to be photographed.

I could tell you a story about the craziness on one drive event when the C6s first went on the public roads. Lets just say the photographer was relentless to the point of endangering people....................and he was of the most famous of them all. They go to the limit to get you photos like these. So don't think this was some dude with his camera phone.

The above statement should not be interpretted of construed as some type of acknowledgement of the car in the photo. It would remain in the relm of speculation on everyones part.
LOL. So while you explain to us that there are certainly plausible scenarios that would lead to the pictures being taken, you can neither confirm nor deny that these pictures happen to have a car in them?

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Ok, guys. You got us. It's the Z-28 test car. But keep it quiet.

The above statement should not be interpretted of construed as some type of acknowledgement of the car in the photo. It would remain in the relm of speculation on everyones part.
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Old 02-19-2010, 05:34 PM   #211
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Well I'm no 007 but I have a good 'feel' in my gut about this one. I rarely ever even read the Z-28 stuff, much less comment. I was waiting for something substantial. My aspiring spy gut tells me this is for real.
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Well I'm no 007 but I have a good 'feel' in my gut about this one. I rarely ever even read the Z-28 stuff, much less comment. I was waiting for something substantial. My aspiring spy gut tells me this is for real.
How did you get so good? Do you watch a lot of James Bond movies?
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Old 02-19-2010, 05:47 PM   #215
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Maybe he's got something there, just look at DDA_Skull's sig!

Perfect match to me.
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Old 02-19-2010, 05:57 PM   #217
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There was never much doubt in my mind that one was in the works, a chapter 11 can understandably set things back a bit... the profitability of the "born again" pony wars thus far have been a huge contributing factor toward GM's road to recovery... considering the success of the 5th gen, why stop there and let Ford have an unparalleled model?
Bu..Bu..Butt then camaro will cut into CTS-V sales (I can hear it now)

CTS-V= 4 door luxury sport sedan
Corvette= light weight 2 seat sports car
Camaro Z/28= 2+2 sports coupe.

Completely different types of consumers. My only concern is that given what we know about the 2011 GT-500 (its main competitor) I don't think the LSA will be enough to hold that mustang at bay. Sooner or later Ford is going to put a blower on top of it coyote V8, the LSA is not going to be enough IMO.
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I can see this costing around $8k more than a comparable SS. It wont cost the same as a CTS-V because those have things that this won't. You will probably be able to get one with cloth interior, no RS, etc. This is definitely a test of the Z28. It only makes sense. It doesn't have a convertible top so it's not that and it's not a face lift because GM isn't in a position to make stupid little unnecessary changes on a 10 month old car. As for competing with the Corvette it's a non issue. By the time the Z28 hits a dealership the new vettes will be out. They are supposed to boost power at all levels and finally have a world class interior. Therefore any advantages outside of 2 extra seats and ones choice in the styles will disappear.
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Well they probably wouldn't want to steal sales from the CTS-V or Corvette. I mean seriously, they'd have to price the Camaro several thousand less than the CTS-V. It would be VERY tempting for a lot of performance oriented people to just jump ship on the CTS and just get the Camaro Z28. And who knows the Z28 could be priced around the same base price as the Vette. If that's the case, who would pay that much for ~100HP less I mean at that point the power/weight ratio would have to be pretty similar.
The 4-door luxury sport sedan CTS-V and a 2+2 Sports coupe appeal to completely different consumers. I just disaggree with the reasoning that the Z/28 should be an inferior product to the GT-500 because of the existance of the CTS-V whos consumers will not cross shop it at all with a Z/28.
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The reason the grille is different is because it's not a Camaro. That's also why they have both the nose and tail running camo. It's a limited production Trans-Am.... They figure if the Camaro enthusiests are buying this many cars in a bad economy, why not tap the step child. Sure Pontiac is gone, but they could just sell it as a Trans-Am under the GMC brand. Look at a picture of a '76 Trans-Am and compare it to the firefarter movie car and then you will know it is true.




Just figured I throw another conspiracy in the mix. I haven't seen this much chatter since the unveil of the original concept.
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Well I'm no 007 but I have a good 'feel' in my gut about this one. I rarely ever even read the Z-28 stuff, much less comment. I was waiting for something substantial. My aspiring spy gut tells me this is for real.
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Ooh ooh I know what they are doing! It's the Z28 all right except instead of the V8 it has a new Iron Duke! It's a Turbo Charged Ecotec with 270hp light and fast! HaHa! Wow would that @#&*()$% people off if it was ture! lol jk!
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