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Old 10-08-2008, 11:22 PM   #101
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your original premise about leather is flawed, it may be hot in the sun but it doesnt crack or peel.

Then what does it do when it gets old? Educate me. I have seen cars with what looks like leather with cracks and holes.
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Old 10-08-2008, 11:24 PM   #102
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Then what does it do when it gets old? Educate me. I have seen cars with what looks like leather with cracks and holes.
once or twice a year you you put a conditioner on and it will last forever. but i also think that most of the cars you saw with cracked seat coverings were vinyl. because in my experience leather lasts very well.
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Old 10-09-2008, 12:04 AM   #103
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Since heated seats are mandatory with certain options and are nice for those with winter weather, why no COOLED seats for the other half of the country –the South? Wondering if it has something to do with the War Between the States….


air conditioned seats in San Antonio where it's 98 everyday of summer would be BAD @SS!
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Old 10-09-2008, 12:06 AM   #104
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air conditioned seats in San Antonio where it's 98 everyday of summer would be BAD @SS!
that requires alot of extra air ducts and perforated leather seats....id take it though.
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Old 10-09-2008, 12:13 AM   #105
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Maybe it will be when the prices are known
Hey now, lets not talk like that! That being said I do hope this is a borderline "luxury car", which would put it like 1 notch below a CTS in terms of comfort and extra commodities that arent entirely necessary but hey, if they call the Camaro a luxury car that is fine by me, as long as it does not come with a luxury-sized price tag.
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Old 10-09-2008, 12:18 AM   #106
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The bottom line is Chevy needs to move BIG units in this market w/the economy the way it is. I'm sure those of us in the front of the line will pay to have the first Camaro on the block, but I can't imagine they'll price themselves too far away from a Mustang, it just won't make any sense. They've seen the debacle with the Challenger...
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Old 10-09-2008, 12:50 AM   #107
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Then what does it do when it gets old? Educate me. I have seen cars with what looks like leather with cracks and holes.
The cracking you see in leather is from the dyes applied to it from the factory and is fixed very easily with products like leatherique, etc...
Cheaper cars it's vinyl and can't be fixed (but why would you).

As headpunter said, since you'll be the original owner, if you apply conditioner/oil yearly/bi-yearly (not that often), then it will last forever

However, with that said, if you prefer cloth there's still the additional weight issue of leather (albeit dwarfed by the issue of having airbag weight) - I'm sure with forums like this you could trade w/ someone who orders a 1SS who wants leather
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Old 10-09-2008, 01:28 AM   #108
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... as long as it does not come with a luxury-sized price tag.
Another take on Camaro pricing: Congress just voted $25 billion of your tax dollars as a “gift” to the auto companies. Whatever GM sets as the Camaro price should be reduced by your share of the $25,000,000,000 when it's purchase time.
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Old 10-09-2008, 01:31 AM   #109
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Another take on Camaro pricing: Congress just voted $25 billion of your tax dollars as a “gift” to the auto companies. Whatever GM sets as the Camaro price should be reduced by your share of the $25,000,000,000 when it's purchase time.
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Old 10-09-2008, 02:16 AM   #110
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Another take on Camaro pricing: Congress just voted $25 billion of your tax dollars as a “gift” to the auto companies. Whatever GM sets as the Camaro price should be reduced by your share of the $25,000,000,000 when it's purchase time.
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that was a loan to cover research for gas saving tech. so its not exactly a gift.
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that was a loan to cover research for gas saving tech. so its not exactly a gift.
Whatever, there's still 9 zeros after the 25, and it's still coming from my tax dollars when both of these factors shouldn't have happened to start with
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Old 10-09-2008, 03:32 AM   #112
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that was a loan to cover research for gas saving tech. so its not exactly a gift.
I wouldn't bet on it not becoming a gift. Regardless, I'm not the auto company's banker. GM’s chairman is paid millions in salary and he’s coming to me for a loan or gift, and then maybe sticking me with an overpriced product.
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I wouldn't bet on it not becoming a gift. Regardless, I'm not the auto company's banker. GM’s chairman is paid millions in salary and he’s coming to me for a loan or gift, and then maybe sticking me with an overpriced product.
Agree with the above except if the camaro comes priced as we are all guessing, it will be the best deal on the market ever... willing to overlook the gift for a well priced fully loaded camaro
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Old 10-09-2008, 06:26 AM   #114
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"once or twice a year you you put a conditioner on and it will last forever. but i also think that most of the cars you saw with cracked seat coverings were vinyl. because in my experience leather lasts very well"

I've followed the instructions in my owners manual to the letter about caring for and cleaning the leather seats in my Z28. My driver's seat still has cracks in the leather. NEVER AGAIN will I get leather seats. Period.
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Old 10-09-2008, 09:37 AM   #115
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To me it seams it would make sense that all the trims 1LS - 2SS would already have the sensors & wiring in place & the gauges would be as simple as plug-in & mount after removing the plastic filler. So getting the gauges from the dealer would be easy & install would not be complicated. Does this make sense?

I hope so, I could care less about all that other stuff. But I know gauges w/ sensors & wires & cut here drill there can be complicated and expensive. Especially if a dealer does it for you.
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Old 10-09-2008, 11:04 AM   #116
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Another take on Camaro pricing: Congress just voted $25 billion of your tax dollars as a “gift” to the auto companies. Whatever GM sets as the Camaro price should be reduced by your share of the $25,000,000,000 when it's purchase time.

Just so you realize, if you take 25 billion, split it three ways (for the real domestics), then divide by 300 million americans, it comes out to $27 per person. I think we can all afford that to help counter the competitive disadvantages our country puts our own automotobile industry in.
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Old 10-09-2008, 11:55 AM   #117
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"once or twice a year you you put a conditioner on and it will last forever. but i also think that most of the cars you saw with cracked seat coverings were vinyl. because in my experience leather lasts very well"

I've followed the instructions in my owners manual to the letter about caring for and cleaning the leather seats in my Z28. My driver's seat still has cracks in the leather. NEVER AGAIN will I get leather seats. Period.
Some interesting reading I came across when it comes to leather in cars.

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Old 10-09-2008, 12:53 PM   #118
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Here's a good question for you all. If you order LT2 or SS2 and you do not want the auxilary gauges or bluetooth could you possibly choose to not get them and get your money back for these options?
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Here's a good question for you all. If you order LT2 or SS2 and you do not want the auxilary gauges or bluetooth could you possibly choose to not get them and get your money back for these options?
My gut reaction to this would be that yes, you can probably delete the gauges but not the bluetooth and, no, you probably won't get any money back. Just my guess, based on absolutely nothing.
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Old 10-09-2008, 02:33 PM   #120
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so is the leather coated or uncoated and which one is better?
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Old 10-09-2008, 02:53 PM   #121
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so is the leather coated or uncoated and which one is better?
I think the stuff GM used for my "leather" seats is probably old vinyl left over from the 70's that they used for seat covers back then. It's absolutely turned me against leather. Cloth seats are the only way to go for me.
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i absolutely hate that you cant get leather on 1ss
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Old 10-09-2008, 08:51 PM   #123
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I think the stuff GM used for my "leather" seats is probably old vinyl left over from the 70's that they used for seat covers back then. It's absolutely turned me against leather. Cloth seats are the only way to go for me.
Looks like you two should swap seats
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Old 10-10-2008, 05:36 PM   #124
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I think the stuff GM used for my "leather" seats is probably old vinyl left over from the 70's that they used for seat covers back then. It's absolutely turned me against leather. Cloth seats are the only way to go for me.
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Looks like you two should swap seats
Thats what I'm Thinking Of Doing When I Get Mine.. Swap Them For The Leather Ones..
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Thats what I'm Thinking Of Doing When I Get Mine.. Swap Them For The Leather Ones..
Forums work out well for stuff like that, was able to swap a whole interior to trade colors with a guy for my bimmer that way
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