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Old 02-28-2010, 12:41 PM   #251
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First of all, I would like to say Chevy did an amazing job on a first year production car, and thank you for providing the opportunity to provide input on future models. I am truly impressed with my 2010 Camaro.

In the short, most of the items I would like to see have to do with the interior as follows:

  1. I am not a big fan of the steering wheel. It's has an odd shape, and does not feel comfortable in my hand. I would also like to see the shifters on the Autos moved higher and setup more like paddle shifters rather than buttons.
  2. There is too much plastic in the interior. I know a lot of people love the lighted side panels, but they are a little too Disco for my tastes. Personally, I think American muscle cars should be more Rock and Roll than Disco. More metal trim and leather would be nice.
  3. If you have read some of the posts on this website, you will find a lot of complaints about the sound system. You will also find how difficult it is to do something as simple as replacing the speakers. Redesign the sound system for easy upgrade, so what should cost one hour in labor charges does not cost four to five hours. I am not talking about the replacing head unit, just simple things like upgrading the speakers and amp. Keep in mind, people will always want to upgrade their sound systems - make it easy by keeping it simple.
  4. Get rid of the On Star rear view mirror - it blocks too much of my forward vision. Move the On Star buttons down to the dash, and replace it with a smaller review mirror. Every time I get on a freeway on-ramp that is curved, I end up bobbing and weaving my head to see what's ahead of me around the corner.
In the long term, I would like the see visibility and handling improvements.

One final note, which is a somewhat off base for this post. I heard rumors about the Z/28 having a supercharged LS3. If you do that, every auto magazine will take the Camaro head-to-head against the Shelby GT500 on both the drag strip and on the track, which adds a lot of pressure to beat it. Personally, I am a huge fan of naturally aspirated power plants. I think Chevy should go for the cool factor, rather than taking on the GT500. My dream Z/28 would have a naturally aspirated LS7 engine, putting out around 550 HP. How cool would it be to have Z/28 badges with "427" painted on the hood cowling.
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Old 02-28-2010, 02:26 PM   #252
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My dream Z/28 would have a naturally aspirated LS7 engine, putting out around 550 HP. How cool would it be to have Z/28 badges with "427" painted on the hood cowling.
My dream Z/28 would have a naturally aspirated LS? engine, putting out around 500 HP. How cool would it be to have Z/28 badges with "302" painted on the hood cowling!! And make that available in Rallye Green please! Seriously, I thank Chevy for making the effort to get input on future versions, I think the 2010 Camaro is a winner and I look forward to what else is coming along. At this time I only have some general thoughts for where I think the Camaro needs to focus, lighter weight being a big one (and I realize that not much can happen with weight until a new platform is used). Perhaps a little more leeway in equipment packages like having fewer "bundled" items/packages and giving the buyer a little more choice. More of the heritage exterior colors need to be available, tires the same size all around, just some common sense things that would make a new Camaro even more appealing.
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Old 02-28-2010, 04:21 PM   #253
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Old 02-28-2010, 06:37 PM   #254
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Add facility so On-Star can be used to update Audio system software to keep up with Apple iPod and iPhone updates.

Deepen Cup holders as my coffee cup gets in the way of my stick shift

Shorten travel on Emergency Brake - Need to pull it too high to engage
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Old 03-01-2010, 01:10 PM   #255
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I just wanted to poke in here again...(this is really fun to read)

You guys are doing a great job staying on topic and providing excellent feedback.
Owners -- your thoughts are extremely valued!!!
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Old 03-01-2010, 05:11 PM   #256
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Add facility so On-Star can be used to update Audio system software to keep up with Apple iPod and iPhone updates.

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Shorten travel on Emergency Brake - Need to pull it too high to engage
^ This would be a great idea!

Also: height adjustment for passenger seat (manual for LS, power for all else)
Remote start for manuals (have it only work while the car is in neutral)
Garage door opener (on 2LT and 2SS) - Make it just a simple push, instead of having to hold it for a second or so (maybe add some little LEDs to help visibility of the buttons as well).
For the RS package: Make the halo's replace the DRLs and make the DRLs back into actual fog lights (but have the fog light color match that of the HID lights). Also, a brighter halo ring would be good.

Take a page from Scion and offer lots of performance parts and visual accessories (pedals, shifter knobs, etc) from GM at the dealerships. Some people won't care for this and will get their own stuff, but with a younger crowd possibly looking at these Camaros, this strategy could help generate added revenue, and would give the customer a greater choice of customization when they get their Camaros.
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Old 03-01-2010, 06:52 PM   #257
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^ This would be a great idea!

Also: height adjustment for passenger seat (manual for LS, power for all else)
Remote start for manuals (have it only work while the car is in neutral)
Garage door opener (on 2LT and 2SS) - Make it just a simple push, instead of having to hold it for a second or so (maybe add some little LEDs to help visibility of the buttons as well).
For the RS package: Make the halo's replace the DRLs and make the DRLs back into actual fog lights (but have the fog light color match that of the HID lights). Also, a brighter halo ring would be good.

Take a page from Scion and offer lots of performance parts and visual accessories (pedals, shifter knobs, etc) from GM at the dealerships. Some people won't care for this and will get their own stuff, but with a younger crowd possibly looking at these Camaros, this strategy could help generate added revenue, and would give the customer a greater choice of customization when they get their Camaros.
Yes please make Halo's replace DRLs.
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Old 03-01-2010, 08:33 PM   #258
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Tried to read all the posts before mine so I didn't repeat. I wasn't quick enough so, I apologize for repeats.

1. Same power controls on the passenger side as the driver side front seat.
2. Some kind of rear seat push button clasp instead of the pull strap for the trunk access.
3. The seat belt connector keeps getting stuck on the rear side of the seta belt strap holder (magnetic)
4. RS package needs halos plus fogs.
5. Cigarette lighter reinforcement, front access on the console. When pushing the connector for my blackberry in this location I feel like the entire unit flexes and fear I'm going to break something.
6. Dimming passenger side mirror
7. Rear heat and cooling vents, personal request from my son.
8. More options. Give us a choice in door panels regardless of interior color, more hood options, flexible trim options, badge options.
9. More play in the telescoping wheel.
10. front proximity sensors

That's it!!

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Old 03-02-2010, 02:41 AM   #259
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I'm noticing the same thing with chipping, mine is Red Jewel Tintcoat, what color is yours, and what colors are also having similar problems. I just wrote to Chevy tonite about this problem. My chips are on the hood and rear quarter panels, where are yours? I have avoided gravel roads, as well as driving while there is salt/sand mixter used on the roads for snow removal, but when I washed her this past weekend I found at least a dozen new chips that weren't previously there, and I have less that 4000 miles on my car.
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I'd like to see HUD in the '11 models. If everything holds together, I plan to buy one next fall.
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Old 03-02-2010, 07:29 PM   #261
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I'm noticing the same thing with chipping, mine is Red Jewel Tintcoat, what color is yours, and what colors are also having similar problems. I just wrote to Chevy tonite about this problem. My chips are on the hood and rear quarter panels, where are yours? I have avoided gravel roads, as well as driving while there is salt/sand mixter used on the roads for snow removal, but when I washed her this past weekend I found at least a dozen new chips that weren't previously there, and I have less that 4000 miles on my car.
Dealler accessories: clear bra on the front and clear bra by the gills-lots of folks are doing this to avoid the chips. not the paint-just a fact of the design
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Old 03-03-2010, 02:49 AM   #262
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I would like to see more useful bins to stow things like sunglasses, cell phones etc. and the interior lighting is a definite throwback to the the 60's. One light? Really? I don't mind the small elf-like visors but please put a light in them so guys won't have to listen to their girls whine about putting on lip stick in the dark. There has to be a better supplier for the dash materials used. Cheap, cheap cheap. Other than that I love the car. I love the intoxicating sound of my 2LT's V6 and I think the clutch is perfect. The gearbox isn't as clean as my TSX's, but is definitely not a problem. My suggestion for future lineup:
LS = DI I-4 2.0-2.5 L 220-260 HP DI 3.6L V6 310-320 HP.
LT = DI I-4 2.0-2.5 L 220-260 HP DI 3.6L V6 310-320 HP
RS =Turbo 3.6L V6 360- 380 HP Make it more than an appearance package. Make it a real alternative to the 370 Z and 335i and clobber them in price. BTW the RS LED tail lamps don't look or respond any different than the old school tail lamps. Why bother? Love the halos though.
SS = 6.2 liter V8 450 HP auto or stick
Z28 = SC 6.2L 560 HP

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Old 03-03-2010, 03:00 AM   #263
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didn't read this whole thread...sorry for repeats (but that might be a good thing cause it shows more demand?)

1. memory seats so if my wife drives it i can just hit the memory button to put it back to how i had it.
2. light in the glovebox.
3. foglights that work with the RS package (they can act as DRL's too if need be).
4. passenger seat to have the ability to move up/down.
5. move the e-brake!
6. deeper center console? can't really put much in there.
7. on the grey interior, have it have black carpets like the beige does.
8. fuel door - make it so you need a button inside to open it.
9. footwell lighting

that's all i can think of so far.
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didn't read this whole thread...sorry for repeats (but that might be a good thing cause it shows more demand?)

1. memory seats so if my wife drives it i can just hit the memory button to put it back to how i had it.
2. light in the glovebox.
3. foglights that work with the RS package (they can act as DRL's too if need be).
4. passenger seat to have the ability to move up/down.
5. move the e-brake!
6. deeper center console? can't really put much in there.
7. on the grey interior, have it have black carpets like the beige does.
8. fuel door - make it so you need a button inside to open it.
9. footwell lighting

that's all i can think of so far.
I knew there was something I was missing. Yeah Chevy, why are my fog lights in fact only DRLs? Feeling a bit slighted on that one.

Yeah, memory seats would be nice too. My wife doesn't drive my Camaro (her choice which is fine because she likes to curb the rims and back into things- just ask my once pristine TSX and xB) so it hasn't been an issue.

While I'm thinking about it the mirror adjustment switch is in a place that causes one to inadvertently hit the driver side window switch. I usually aim my mirrors down when backing into a parking spot or backing up period. That should be addressed by redesigning it or offering an auto mirror down mode in reverse.
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Old 03-03-2010, 02:39 PM   #265
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Old 03-03-2010, 04:40 PM   #266
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I have not purchased my Camaro yet, but I test drove one. I am a designer, and I must say I think the new Camaro is the best looking car I think I have ever seen, and I strongly believe its market appeal potentially goes far, far beyond the current target market!!!!!

When I test drove the Camaro SS, its acceleration and handling blew my mind!!!! I am very excited to purchase an SS and I have the following to share with you:

1. The sun visors seemed way, way too small and flimsy.

2. Climate control is a must

3. Power folding mirrors

4. There should be a sunglass holder like in the Lexus LS 430.

5. The driver door should also have a much larger compartment like on the Lexus LS 430.

6. I thought the inside door handle was weak, and the small, cheap piece of rubber that is removable has got to go.

7. Air conditioned seats would be nice to keep you cool and dry.

8. Much bigger and wider sunroof. The sunroof is tiny like the sun visors. Take a look at the sunroof on the current BMW 6 series, which is much wider and longer.

9. I think you should have made the Camaro an open-air-coupe like on the Camaro Concept and the original 1960s Camaro. Changing this would give the car even better lines, as well as significantly improving visibility and making the car feel more like a convertible when you have the (larger) sunroof open along with all 4 windows rolled down. (As a matter of fact, I think you would be better off making a huge sunroof and open air C-pillar hardtop, than a crappy soft-top." It would also be much safer.)

10. I think the rear-view exterior mirrors should have LED turning signals on the fronts like on a Mercedes to really show oncoming traffic that you are turning, plus it gives the driver much better real-time feedback.

11. I also think the rear-view exterior mirrors should have LED puddle lamps that automagically light up as you approach the car. Once again, check out the Lexus LS 430.

12. Offer an option with powder coated brake calipers that match the color of the exterior of the car, and also offer a standard red option. This just looks high-end and cool.

13. Offer a Hard-top convertible like on the BMW 3 Series. From all the photos of the soft-top convertible it ruins the amazing lines when the top is up. Of course it is the best looking convertible ever made with the top down, but I think it should look just as good with the top up.

14. Get rid of the useless, stupid-looking hand brake!!! This is bad-retro. It should have a foot pedal, or even better, and automagic version.

15. I have to agree, that I think your designers got carried away with making the roof-line a little too low. I think if you raised it an inch or two it would not detract from the beautiful geometry.

On a final note, I want to emphasize I believe one of the most overlooked markets for the Camaro is ironically a more luxury focused buyer. I am going from the Lexus LS 430 to the Camaro and I am used to more attention to detail.

Don't get me wrong, because I think the Camaro is miraculous, I just think there is room for improvement in small details that matter. An example in my mind, is the lamo, tiny Flinstones sunroof in the current Camaro. Make it high-tech Jetson's.

I cannot emphasize how important I think these details are.

For whatever it is worth, after test-driving the new Camaro, the first thought I had, was that I have never been so proud to be an American. I was shocked and still am that I think the coolest, best designed car is the new Camaro. The car just took my breath away, but I noticed some of the details left a great deal to be desired.

I think GM should take more of an Apple Computer approach to design. Make the Camaro so there is zero design compromise. Make is totally state of the art while maintaining the amazing lines and muscle.

I think most people would be willing to pay more money for a better car that they know they are going to be happy with for longer. Once again, like an Apple Computer. I think Americans and international consumers desire more and are willing to pay for it. The Camaro is already such an amazing value proposition, build in more value and people will gladly pay for it.

I think what you do with the Camaro in the next major revision will be the ultimate character defining moment for GM. Don't compromise on ANYTHING. Just look at the detail on a 1959 Cadillac if you want to see what American design and manufacturing can do, then study a 1981 Cadillac Cimarron and see where GM went to hell.

Make the Camaro perfect. The football is on the 5 yard-line, score this touchdown and win the Superbowl of car design with the Camaro!!!!!!!!!

Also, I read every post in this thread, and I was extremely impressed with the feedback from forum members. I was also impressed at how few and consistent the design detail requests were. This is a very good sign!!!

Now go smoke the Mercedes SL, BMW 3 and 6 series convertibles as well as the 911 convertible with the new Camaro convertible!!!!! You are in the lead–keep it!!!!!!
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Old 03-03-2010, 04:54 PM   #267
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It's a Chevy, not a Cadillac.

Comparing this car to a Mercedes or Lexus is comparing apples to oranges.

Adding all that luxury stuff to the car and it will cost more than a Corvette!
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Old 03-03-2010, 09:35 PM   #268
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I thought of one more!!

Please look into integrating the Reverse Assist Sensors into the gap between the rear fascia and the diffuser. (where the reverse lights were on the concept car).

If put in the gap and painted the same matte-black as the plastic, they'll be recessed and completely inconspicuous. I understand this feature will be required by law soon...though I could be wrong.

If possible, this would solve all the aesthetics concerns we have with the sensors as they are now.

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Old 03-04-2010, 12:29 AM   #269
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First Thank you for giving all of us the opportunity to state our opinions and ideas in a forum that will be heard. You have received a lot of great ideas from Camaro owners. I would like to give my ideas as one of the guys that is truly waiting for the Z28 to arrive.

1 - I loved the HUD in my 99 Vette and would pay for that option again.
2 - Memory Seats, a much needed option
3 - The interior lights on the rearview mirror from the Corvette worked very well to light up the interior.
4 - Please DO NOT MAKE THE Z28 A TT V6!
5 - I will be happy with the LSA engine. Much, much happier with the LS9 engine. Take a look at Edelbrock's E-Force S/C package as a possible alternative to the Maggie S/C.
6 - A true air induction hood that looks like the SLP hood design.
7 - Use original Camaro colors, 67 Marina Blue is an excellent choice I might add!
8 - LED tail lights and parking lights to help distinguish the Z28 from LT & SS but please keep the RS Halo package.
9 - Any kind of weight reduction would be good.
10 - Include a short throw shifter with the Z28 package.

It is a beautiful car and I am ready to order a Z28. Thanks for this opportunity.
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I am sorry! I forgot one more item.

11 - The functional rear brake ducts, like the ones used on Jay Leno's Camaro would be very cool on the new Z28. They would also go well with the 6 piston Brembo brakes on the front!

OK, I am done dreaming, thanks again.
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Old 03-07-2010, 12:37 AM   #271
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Suggestions:
1) reduce weight
2) offer more interior options-plus better materials
3) offer multiple rear end gears
4) build the Z28 - (that's what I'm waiting for!)
5) offer second set of wheel with "street slicks" like BFG R-1's
6) allow me to order my car and pick it up at the factory like the 'Vettes
7) subtle improvements every year that can be added to existing 5th gen - taillights, exhaust tips, lights

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Cool

Also want to second the following requests by others:
8) functional scoop
9) brake vents
10) GM Performance parts shifter \ knob
11) please, please increase the quality of the paint job - materials okay, but make the orange peel go away
12) decouple some of the options from option packages
13) improve the back up light location and design
14) engine options for the Z28 would be nice - like the first gen!!
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Old 03-08-2010, 10:32 AM   #273
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My list since I plan on getting a 2011, what i would like to see:

More interior color combination options. For example a darker caramel color instead of the light beige.

A Shiny Metallic Black exterior color

Stock Chrome Rim option

Full Racing Stripes (on hood),

Adjustable Seat Belts (not just the little snap on the seat to hold in place)

A bigger driver side visor mirror and with lights please

Memory seats to remember settings

High quality full leather seats

Lumbar support (adjustable)
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Old 03-08-2010, 10:48 AM   #274
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Fix the piece of junk L99 engine(lifters) or get it out of this car.If I had known I would be purchasing a new car and at only 800 mi. it would have a lifter tick on start up,I would have kept my BMW.
Sorry,just venting,but it took forever to bring this car to market and to put an engine in this car with a known defect just pisses me off.
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Old 03-09-2010, 12:04 PM   #275
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Smile I had a 99 camaro Z28 and i sold it to get the 2010 SS

I sold my 99 camaro Z28. First i took it to carmax to see how much they offer me, they told me we'll give you $3000 for it, i was like what, screw that the book value is like $6000 to $7000 back in may 2009.
A girl was intersted in the car so she bought it for $6500 she felt in love with my car. Well i used that money to put a down payment for my new 2010 camaro. I order my camaro and i had to wait 6 months to get it. Finally in August 2009 it arrived to the dealership. I'm super happy now


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