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Old 04-21-2010, 05:03 PM   #1
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New to Suspension (look over list please)

BMR Fabrications Trailing Arms (139.95)

BMR Adjustable Rear Toe Rods (199.95)

Spohn Rear Tubular Sway Bar (149.50)

Spohn Front End Links (95.00)

What do you guys think?
What else should i add?
Any order i should order the parts in?

Thanks, I'm new to suspension work
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BMR Fabrications Trailing Arms (139.95)

BMR Adjustable Rear Toe Rods (199.95)

Spohn Rear Tubular Sway Bar (149.50)

Spohn Front End Links (95.00)

What do you guys think?
What else should i add?
Any order i should order the parts in?

Thanks, I'm new to suspension work
Hi Brokenlizrd, my name is Craig with Xtreme Innovations in Luxemburg Wi, about 45 miles from you , give me a call and I can go over some things with you on what your looking for and what your goals are for your car.
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Just interested in tightening her up a bit for the track and protection.
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Just interested in tightening her up a bit for the track and protection.
I think your best bang for your buck to start with is ftr. and rear sway bars,
we are working on finishing our rear suspension parts ,those will be done soon. right know we offer the frt. and rear sway bars , strut tower braces, coil overs,and frt.tubular engine cradle.. I
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Just interested in tightening her up a bit for the track and protection.
A Camaro in OE trim tore through testing at the Nurburing. A stock Camaro is a lot of car. So when you say you just want to tighten it up, could be be a bit more specific?
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Old 04-21-2010, 07:56 PM   #6
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BMR Fabrications Trailing Arms (139.95)

BMR Adjustable Rear Toe Rods (199.95)

Spohn Rear Tubular Sway Bar (149.50)

Spohn Front End Links (95.00)

What do you guys think?
What else should i add?
Any order i should order the parts in?

Thanks, I'm new to suspension work
Hi Brokenlizrd,

We have a ton of products available for your new Camaro. If you are interested in track products, we really want to recommend some of our suspension components to you. Recently at the Camaro5 Fest, both class-winning cars in the Autocross competition, exclusively featured our suspension products. As an engineering company, we do a lot of proper CAD design and analysis of our components before we even begin to track test them. This ensures to give you the lightest, stingiest solutions available. Take a look at some of our products, ask me any questions etc. We are here to help everyone. Thanks for your time!

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Old 04-21-2010, 09:14 PM   #7
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A Camaro in OE trim tore through testing at the Nurburing. A stock Camaro is a lot of car. So when you say you just want to tighten it up, could be be a bit more specific?
I would rather spend money on stronger parts then repairing broken parts when the cars ready for the track. As in launching and such. Will be auto x too.
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I would rather spend money on stronger parts then repairing broken parts when the cars ready for the track. As in launching and such. Will be auto x too.
Got it. What is your current RWHP and planned RWHP? Will you be running slicks, drag radials or street tires?
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Stock. Plan on doing suspension work before any performance. As for tires i havent decided yet. Prob slicks or drag radials
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Is this a daily driver? maybe some lowering springs would be good. Not just for looks but performance.
Any order i should order the parts in?
This is the order i would suggest. You will see the most change in this order.

Spohn Rear Tubular Sway Bar (149.50)

BMR Fabrications Trailing Arms (139.95)

Spohn Front End Links (95.00) you will want to do these at the same time as the lowering springs.

BMR Adjustable Rear Toe Rods (199.95)



What else should i add? springs maybe?


Thanks, I'm new to suspension work We all had to start somewhere. Just glad to be able to help.

We have some of the items on our website. You may want to have a look. Hope i was able to be of some help.
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Stock. Plan on doing suspension work before any performance. As for tires I haven't decided yet. Prob slicks or drag radials
In OE trim, nothing should break. There is a thread with a tranny issue, but that problem is limited to an early run of vehicles. One of your most important mods will be to have your GM / Chevy Dealer do all the vehicle computer updates. There are updates for launch control and wheel hop. Start there. It is FREE.

I have been working on R & D for the Camaro four just over four years, starting with the Pontiac G8. The blue and yellow 5th Gen race car shown at SEMA 2008 had a number of Pedders bushes and bits. As they tested that race car, it became clear that the OE bits were robust. They added no chassis braces and ran stock arms on what is a Grand Am Challenge Race car.

What they changed should be of particular interest to what you should change. The #1 priority they had was to replace the front rubber and glycol radius bush. It is a large fluid damped bush and most people with even the most limited track experience do not want to depend on hydraulic filled bushes under race conditions with the great loads race tires place on suspension. What was then GM Racing contacted me. From math data we custom made radius bushes for their race cars in less than two week from request to delivery. #1 on your list for sure stopping is the basic OE rubber stop urethane replacement, it is a snubber in GM speak EP6578 radius bush inserts. Your could move to the larger more aggressive EP6569 or go full race with a full bush.

#2 on your list would be EP1200 sub-frame inserts. Pedders inserts work with your OE rubber bushes that mount the sub-frame to monocoque. The OE bushes are heavily voided to control cabin NVH. There are numerous videos floating around showing just how much they move to prove why your have to buy sub-frame bushes because you bought a car with bad parts. Once again, allow me to remind you that a bone stock Camaro ran outstanding times on the famed Nurburing. The Camaro is a VERY fine automobile bone stock. Can we teak it and get more performance -- absolutely. That is what the sub-frame inserts do. They fill the ORM voids and make the IRS assembly stable and solid.

On GM's prototype race car they use Delrin, a hard plastic for the sub-frame bushes. It is a race car and no one cares how much noise is transmitted to the cabin. Delrin will function well, but it is high maintenance. It wears out. Pedders inserts are a moderate durometer that will settle down the IRS, but and virtually no noise and last next to forever. They are easy to install as they work with the OE bushes. The next level we have is an EP1201 full urethane replacement. The material is denser, harder. They are more efficient. Finally we have what we call Delrin for the street. It is a very hard urethane that will last forever. It will perform thisclose to Delrin without the frequent maintenance. For the hard core Pedders EP1201HD is the answer.

Do the inserts and drive your car. Take a couple of test runs at the strip. You will be pleased and till have a Camaro that is virtually as quiet with an OE quality ride and should have no worries about breaking suspension parts. The Pedders Camaro has been beaten on by some of the best drivers around. Chris Brannon 8 time SCCA Road Racing Champion and Paul Tracy Indy Car Champion. The Pedders car has NO chassis braces and runs stock arms. We do run a full Pedders suspension along with a unique 305/30/19 wheel set up on 19x10.5 wheels all around. Paul and Chris like to jump corners. That puts a ridiculous load on the OE arms and components. NOTHING HAS BENT OR BROKEN -- NOTHING.





Your Camaro is among the best built cars on the road. Take a slow measured approach and you will be very pleased with the results while not breaking the bank. As for sway bars, those er the FINAL tuning element for any vehicle. They are the LAST STEP in setup. Always, ALWAYS start with the foundational issues on a vehicle. In a Camaro that means we start with radius and sub-frame bushes. Then we move to dampers and coils. After all the bushes, dampers and coils are in place we add the final tuning elements -- sway bars. Many of our customers find that as they move through a modest lit of upgrades, the sway bars they originally went shopping for are not needed. The car drives as well or better than they wanted it to by stabilizing the foundational elements of the vehicle.

If you have any follow up questions, I'll be happy to reply.
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wow... a pic or two may help, but that is one informative write up...
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wow... a pic or two may help, but that is one informative write up...
give me a couple of minutes and I will have exactly what you want.

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You can't go wrong with either Pfadt or Pedders sutff on your car. Both are great companies and stand behind their products 1000000%.

I was fortunate enough to get a great deal on Eibach springs and sways and I have to say I love the way the car tracks now. Normal driving is a bit more bumpy, but overall I'm thrilled with the way the car grabs the road and makes you feel like your in control. No body roll, ride height is lower by about 1.2-1.3" both front and rear getting rid of the nasty gap between the tires and fenderwell. No rubs, or complaints of any kind. Love the additions of the Eibach pro kit and anti-roll kit. Best mod so far to my car!

If I wouldn't have lucked into the Eibach kits, I would have gone with Pfadt or Pedders.

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Pedders subframe Options

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The rear ZETA II platform on the rear of the Camaro is one of the best systems on the market. It works and works very well. GM built the Camaro for performance and comfort and the systems work just fine for the majority of the 100,000 new 2010 Camaro owners that have bought this awesome ride.

Then there are those that want it better, and that is where Pedders comes to the rescue. With the OE subframe bushings this will allow your subframe to move approximately 1/2 in in all directions and when driving the Camaro in a very seriously way, you may be able to feel the Camaro back end "step out" in the twisties.

We offer not just 1 but 3 options for the subframe bushing upgrade. Here they are:


SPECIAL REVISION: THE PICTURES OF THE REAR SUBFRAME INSERTS BELOW SHOW THERE ISA SMALL AMOUNT OF GREASE BETWEEN THE INSERT AND THE OE BUSHING. FOR THE DIYer, THE INSTRUCTIONS SAY TO DO THIS. THRU SOME SERIOUS TESTING, PEDDERS HAS DETERMINED THAT GREASE IS NOT REQUIRED HERE AND THEREFORE WE ARE NO LONGER RECOMMENDING IT. NO PROBLEM IF YOU HAVE DONE GREASE. BUT WE DO NOT WANT GREASE ON THERE ANYMORE BECAUSE IT IS UNNECESSARY. SO PLEASE NOTE THIS WHEN REVIEWING THE PICTURES

These bushings are awesome and seriously easy to install and the perfect DIY job that will take 1 to 2 hours. I am working on a DIYer manual now. How do they work? there are lots of voids in these bushings. You can take a large screw driver and easily deflect the center ferrules with little effort. Without removing the exhaust, you lower the cradle just enough so the rear alignment pins are showing, remove the lower plates, and install the 4 different, specific bushing inserts, top and bottom, front and rear. With the Pedders EP1200 insert bushings installed, you are effectively making all 4 of the rear subframe bushings solid. Here is a picture of installation on each of the 4 different bushing inserts:

THE REAR LOWER PEDDERS SUBFRAME INSERT BUSHING



THE REAR UPPER PEDDERS SUBFRAME INSERT BUSHING


THE FRONT UPPER PEDDERS SUBFRAME INSERT BUSHING


THE REAR LOWER PEDDERS SUBFRAME INSERT BUSHING

Now for those seriously aggressive Camaros that are really pushing the hp upgrades, and taking taking the Camaro into the 7/10 area on a road coarse or autocross, not to mention the Drag Racers running drag radials, the rubber in the sub frame is not strong enough to hold the subframe tight, thus the rubber deflection can cause the "stepout" mentioned above. So we offer 2 solutions for the VERY SERIOUS




The molds for these 2 bushings are the same. The difference is the poly. I believe the raw poly material for the EP1201HD cost over $425-$450 a gallon. The EP1201HD is as solid as delrin, but does not have the wear problems delrin has. Here are those bushings:




You can see there is blue material on the outer jacket of the OE subframe bushings. The OE bushings are not only a press fit, but they are glued in as well

Here is how Pedders removes these bushings, which takes about 2 minutes start to finish:


REAR SUBFRAME BUSHING WITH PEDDERS CUSTOM MADE RECIEVER PLATE


OE BUSHING REMOVED AND YOU CAN SEE THE EYELET OF THE SUBFRAME


FRONT OE SUBFRAME BUSH REMOVAL WITH PEDDERS TOOL

FRONT OE SUBFRAME BUSHING REMOVED


PEDDERS SOLID REAR SUBFRAME FRAME BUSHING INSTALLED


PEDDERS SOLID FRONT SUBFRAME BUSHING INSTALLED

Now granted only a Pedders dealer is able to get this custom made tool. So there is easy alternative that should take under 10 minutes a bushing:
1. Drill a hole thru the OE subframe bushing
2. Using a Reciprical Saw with a fine skinny blade, cut out the core of the bushing
3. Then cut out a 1 inch section of the outer plastic jacket BEING EXTREMELY CAREFUL NOT TO CUT INTO THE EYELET
4. Then make another cut 180 degrees away
5. The outer jacket will come right out

Now remove all the blue glue with sand paper and remove any sharp burrs or edges that might be from the saw blade (NOTE: POLY CAN HANDLE A SLIGHTLY IRREGULAR SHAPE BUT POLY DOES NOT LIKE SHARP EDGES; THUS THE SANDING)

Now install the bushing halves, lubricate the center holes, install the ferrules then the lower plates and bolts, and raise the subframe back up making sure the alignment pins go into the new center ferrules. Torque the bolts and you now have the absolute best support for the rear subframe that you can get for any horsepower, and any kind of driving.

Hope this helps!

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ENHANCING THE STRENGTH OF THE OE FRON RADIUS ROD BUSHINGS. EASY FOR DIY PROJECT

The Zeta II platform on the Camaro is outstanding. For those that want to enhance the front performance, we offer several upgrades to improving the performance of the front radius rod bushing.

EP6578 PEDDERS FRONT SNUBBERS FOR OE RADIUS ROD


This kit is seriously easy to install and requires very little dissassembly. It is the perfect job for a DIYer.

The best front radius rod upgrade involves pressing out the OE subframe bushing and pressing in our Pedders complete subframe bushing kit





The above picture shows the Pedders EP6577 properly installed and properly lubed


THIS PICTURE SHOWS YOU THE OE SNUBBER INSTALLED



THIS PICTURE SHOWS YOU THE OE SNUBBER PARTIALLY REMOVED


THIS PICTURE SHOWS YOU THE OE SNUBBER REMOVED



AS A NOTE, THE OE SNUBBER POPS OFF WITH A SCREWDRIVER!


THIS PICTURE SHOWS THE PEDDERS AND OE SNUBBERS



THIS PICTURE SHOWS THE PEDDERS SNUBBER INSTALLED

Again, the snubber offers the OE front radius rod bushing a huge amount of support and is a perfect job for the DIYer. A complete install manual will be available for this very soon.

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The way I'm doing it is starting at the subframe and work my way out to the control arms. Some of these videos have been super-educational. I'll be building the suspension and chassis of this car different than my last. Keep the pics'/videos/suggestions coming
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thanks a lot all! more info please!
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