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Old 04-15-2010, 02:45 PM   #1
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Wheel Alignment.

Well after having put 2500 miles on BB (Blue Banshee) I began to notice a slight pull to the left. Took it in and they found the alignment was off a fair bit. Had to much toe in on the drivers rear and toe out on the drivers front. Took it for a small trip and it really felt better. I don't seem to have to keep as much of a grip on the wheel. Didn't even realize that I was holding on and keeping a small amount of right steer into the wheel. Can tell the difference now though, I was constantly trying to turn right when driving after I had it checked.

The real tip off was I could see a little bit of feathering on the outside edges of the tires. Might be a good thing for others to look into, just to make sure you don;t have an issue also. Just a little FYI for Ya'all
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Old 04-15-2010, 02:59 PM   #2
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I've heard lots of issues with the OEM alignments...good you got it fixed!
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I have found that if the Pirellis are off by a pound or two in air pressure the car has a slight pull to one side or the other. Once I even out the tire pressure its perfectly centered. It also seems to drive better 1 pound over cold. 37psi
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Old 04-15-2010, 03:49 PM   #4
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Didn't even realize that I was holding on and keeping a small amount of right steer into the wheel. Can tell the difference now though, I was constantly trying to turn right when driving after I had it checked.
Just to be geeky:

Like my controls professor always said, pilots/drivers are natural integrators and natural lag filters. They just keep moving the controls till they get the response they want but they're always a step behind what just happened...

And unless another guy with controls experience steps in here, nobody will even get the depths of my geekiness
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Just to be geeky:

Like my controls professor always said, pilots/drivers are natural integrators and natural lag filters. They just keep moving the controls till they get the response they want but they're always a step behind what just happened...

And unless another guy with controls experience steps in here, nobody will even get the depths of my geekiness
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Old 04-15-2010, 04:14 PM   #6
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I plan of having a alignment done when i get my first oil change. Does it cost anything to have it done?
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Old 04-15-2010, 04:31 PM   #7
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Just to be geeky:

Like my controls professor always said, pilots/drivers are natural integrators and natural lag filters. They just keep moving the controls till they get the response they want but they're always a step behind what just happened...

And unless another guy with controls experience steps in here, nobody will even get the depths of my geekiness

drivers/pilots create the closed loop feedback system. my problem is the proportional gain on my right foot/throttle controller is too high so my system becomes unstable and basically open loop because no system changes are made as a result of the feedback from seeing the smoke from my tires.....

I too live in your world sir
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Old 04-15-2010, 05:08 PM   #8
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I plan of having a alignment done when i get my first oil change. Does it cost anything to have it done?
Covered under warranty, I'm not sure of the cut off in miles or months, but I believe it is 6000 or 6 months.
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Old 04-15-2010, 05:10 PM   #9
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drivers/pilots create the closed loop feedback system. my problem is the proportional gain on my right foot/throttle controller is too high so my system becomes unstable and basically open loop because no system changes are made as a result of the feedback from seeing the smoke from my tires.....

I too live in your world sir
I also have the same problem when I see smoke in my rear view mirror, I must engage the flight response and try to get away from it.
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I also have the same problem when I see smoke in my rear view mirror, I must engage the flight response and try to get away from it.

I hope so... you can't let that $h!t touch you... it's poisonous



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Old 04-15-2010, 05:53 PM   #11
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Well after having put 2500 miles on BB (Blue Banshee) I began to notice a slight pull to the left. Took it in and they found the alignment was off a fair bit. Had to much toe in on the drivers rear and toe out on the drivers front. Took it for a small trip and it really felt better. I don't seem to have to keep as much of a grip on the wheel. Didn't even realize that I was holding on and keeping a small amount of right steer into the wheel. Can tell the difference now though, I was constantly trying to turn right when driving after I had it checked.

The real tip off was I could see a little bit of feathering on the outside edges of the tires. Might be a good thing for others to look into, just to make sure you don;t have an issue also. Just a little FYI for Ya'all
I am trying like hell to hold out for putting the toe bar, trailing arm and springs on before I do it but as many miles as I'm putting on it (can't stop driving!!!) I dunno.
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If someone could let me know cause i just hit my 7 months CRAP!!!!
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Old 04-16-2010, 08:24 PM   #13
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If someone could let me know cause i just hit my 7 months CRAP!!!!
Take it in anyway, I was making a guess at the cut off's. It could be longer.
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Guys,

As a reminder, it is important to always get a copy of your alignment specs, All you have to do is ask for it up front.

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Old 04-21-2010, 09:55 PM   #15
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As a reminder, it is important to always get a copy of your alignment specs, All you have to do is ask for it up front.

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Thanks, Forgot to mention that. I did get mine.
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Old 04-22-2010, 07:37 AM   #17
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I plan of having a alignment done when i get my first oil change. Does it cost anything to have it done?
Just had an alignment done at my Dealer for $89 - I was swapping out the winter Bridgestones/rims for the summer Pirellis/RS rims and thought it was a good idea after the rough winter we had in the northeast plus at 9300 miles so far. The service manager said the car was still in near spec alignment.
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Just had an alignment done at my Dealer for $89 - I was swapping out the winter Bridgestones/rims for the summer Pirellis/RS rims and thought it was a good idea after the rough winter we had in the northeast plus at 9300 miles so far. The service manager said the car was still in near spec alignment.
Saying "till in near spec alignment....." is like saying you are half pregnant. LOL

I say this becuase the spec tolerances are quite large and you Camaro can handle differently with different specs within the OE specs. You shoul always get a copy of your alignment specs before and after

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Well after having put 2500 miles on BB (Blue Banshee) I began to notice a slight pull to the left. Took it in and they found the alignment was off a fair bit. Had to much toe in on the drivers rear and toe out on the drivers front. Took it for a small trip and it really felt better. I don't seem to have to keep as much of a grip on the wheel. Didn't even realize that I was holding on and keeping a small amount of right steer into the wheel. Can tell the difference now though, I was constantly trying to turn right when driving after I had it checked.

The real tip off was I could see a little bit of feathering on the outside edges of the tires. Might be a good thing for others to look into, just to make sure you don;t have an issue also. Just a little FYI for Ya'all
I heard about OEM alignments potentially being off at the factory and had my alignment checked when I first got it.

Guess what? It was off. Best $40.00 I spent given the expense of tires.
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I got my alignment after i did the toe bars, trailing arms and springs. Had a performance alignment done at the dealer. about 1* of camber on all 4 corners. Man, it sticks. Cost me $99 for a 4 wheel.
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OE alignments and in the green range alignments are by Pedders standards not alignments. It is not unusual for the green range to be a full degree as in the right front 0 camber left front .75 degrees and they are both in the GREEN range and good to go

That is why Mike is suggesting you get a print out for your alignment. As an enthusiast, when you ask for an alignment make certain you discuss with your technician what you will accept for a final result. Be prepared to pay bit more for your alignment because it will take more time to get the specs thistight.
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Even factory alignment specs have a prefferd setting.Just because it is within the factory range doesn't mean it is right.I have fixed many alignment problems that where within factory specs,but still didn't handle properly.
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:57 PM   #23
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Have the amount of wieght in the the car that you normally have when driving. Ask if you can set in the car as they do the allignment.
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