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Old 04-26-2010, 03:22 PM   #15
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geez now we have a black box to worry about. What's it going to be next small people hiding in the ECM taking notes!
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Old 04-26-2010, 04:32 PM   #16
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geez now we have a black box to worry about. What's it going to be next small people hiding in the ECM taking notes!
They prefer the term "little people" and they are already there listening in on your OnStar system...
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Old 04-26-2010, 04:38 PM   #17
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Old 04-26-2010, 08:11 PM   #18
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Also, you mention some other tuning products...to my knowledge, those products can be seen by the CVN check....
The other tuning software company's openly say that they are not out rip off, lie or scam the OEM's. To each their own I guess.

Its not the tech 2 that will find that PCM has been changed it will be the actual software that the calibration engineers use when a PCM gets sent in for a warranty claim or if the send someone out to the dealer. I don't have a dog in this fight, just like people to be realistic and honest.
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Old 04-26-2010, 08:39 PM   #19
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I believe that GM would be reasonable and only deny coverage if the tune was way off spec. Also, wouldn't they only check your ECM if it was a motor-related issue? I've talked to several GM garages and they all have said that it shouldn't be a problem unless you blow up the motor. That's another story that's best left on the Vette Z06 forums ^_^
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:39 AM   #21
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That's a serious accusation.If the man believes he's right I don't think our comments fits.
The sticky at the top has called out all of the tuning software company's to test their products, who has jumped in to try and test the system.

What else do you call it? If the OEM, I don't which one, wants to see what has been done to their computer they can and will find out, it is worth pissing off the customer in most cases, no. If something blatant happens to the powertrain then they will investigate. For the very few that have issues its not worth the hassle.

If they ever decided to lock down the PCM's from any form of tampering while under warranty, they could do that also. Then some company will crak into it and sell the software and this will start all over again.

From HP Tuners, when asked the same question on detection. The biting the hand that feeds you is the point.

http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19827
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The sticky at the top has called out all of the tuning software company's to test their products, who has jumped in to try and test the system.

What else do you call it? If the OEM, I don't which one, wants to see what has been done to their computer they can and will find out, it is worth pissing off the customer in most cases, no. If something blatant happens to the powertrain then they will investigate. For the very few that have issues its not worth the hassle.

If they ever decided to lock down the PCM's from any form of tampering while under warranty, they could do that also. Then some company will crak into it and sell the software and this will start all over again.

From HP Tuners, when asked the same question on detection. The biting the hand that feeds you is the point.

http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19827
There is also this...pretty definitive proof invisibility isn't it what it used to be.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...ty-2007-a.html
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Old 04-27-2010, 09:25 AM   #23
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There is also this...pretty definitive proof invisibility isn't it what it used to be.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...ty-2007-a.html
I don't think invisibility has anything to do with the above example. Read more of the threads. His "pot-smoking" friend didn't put the stock tune back in before he took it to the dealer.
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wonder what else his pot smoking friend did, like add a bunch of timing on 87 octane, or leabed the WOT mixture out as far as he could?

How do we know this was not a case of 'GM denied my friends warranty because he did some really stupid stuff with his Predator'?
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wonder what else his pot smoking friend did, like add a bunch of timing on 87 octane, or leabed the WOT mixture out as far as he could?

How do we know this was not a case of 'GM denied my friends warranty because he did some really stupid stuff with his Predator'?
Does it really matter? The point is that an aftermarket tune resulted in warranty claim denial. Nobody disputes that your product can be used in a manner outside of its intent that will be damaging to a drivetrain...just like a hunting rifle can be used to kill a person.

In no shape or form have I ever claimed your product was inferior. I've just had a problem with the "scam GM" mindset that some people seem to have developed. If an owner of a car can't afford the risks involved with modifying...they should rethink their decisions.

I'm sure you make a good quality product like other tuners do...if you didn't it would be all over these boards very quickly.
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