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Old 04-29-2010, 12:05 AM   #1
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TPE Kenne Bell Camaro results!! Pics and Video! H@ly SH@T!!!

As featured on CAMARO5 HOMEPAGE.









Hey Guys,

In keeping with our tradition of scaring the hell out of our customers with high HP, FAST Kenne Bell cars, we have suceeded with this new 2010 SS2 RS. It is the proud child of member "Spankt U".

All I can say is HOLY SH!T!!!!!!!!!

This thing is a freaking animal...

First off, we show EVERYTHING in the video, in order to answer most everyones questions. We ran every single run at 192* engine temp, and the blower was hot hot hot. We had little to no cooling, and the IAT's were in the mid 130's. So this was by far no "Cool down run". If anything, it was the exact opposite. I would have preferred to run it with the blower cooler, as it doesnt normally run that hot on the street. Its just that we had done multiple back to back runs, with no cool down time. We also ran it with the hood closed.

This run was witnessed by Cody of Wicked HP (Thanks for hangin out with me Cody) Our VERY FIRST pull, made 573rwhp, 540lb torque. We logged boost at 7.54lbs. We have video, datalogs, and pictures if anyone cares to see. This was on the stock KB tune. The a/f was between 11.5 and 11.6:1

Our highest rwtq, was actually the run previous to this one. We made 567lbtq. . But we had a little knock at 6200, so I scaled it back 2*.

In the end, I got this bad boy making 582rwhp 544rwtq. . I guarantee you, had Cody not had reservations for his steak dinner tonight, I could have broken the 600rwhp, 550rwtq mark. I had another pulley, that I was gonna run, that would have put me at about 9psi, and I am 100% positive I could have pulled 620rwhp, 585-590rwtq. .

We are sitting extremely conservative, seeing a MAX of 11.6:1. Our logs show an average pf 11.46:1 (were commanding 11.5). Had we gotten a little more aggressive with timing, and played with fueling, we would have gotten there, But we were going for a daily driven street car, that would survive on 89 octane if necessary.

The car is running Doug Thorley shorties, and their catted street exhaust. History tells us that shorties do nothing but take money out of the buyers wallet on these LS motors. Had we had Long tubes, a good catback, and played with the tune some more, we would have definately been in the 620 range with 8psi. 9-10 psi, and we would have been in the 630-650 range.

But hey, Im sure he can be happy with 582rwhp 544rwtq on a virtually STOCK car, with only 7.34psi..Boys and girls, that is OVER 700hp at the flywheel using an 18% loss factor. At 15% it IS 700hp.


So Steve, is a 700hp Camaro enough for you buddy????

Sorry Gary, but you've been De-throned.. (just playin buddy)

We will be sure to post up STD numbers so they can be compared against a few other graphs on this board that use the higher STD correction factor. STD should put us around 606rwhp 567rwtq.


Good luck on your new found power Steve. TPE is NOT responsible for large quantities of speeding tickets. Wait a minute, yeah we are.....












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Last Week, whiole we were driving out to Socal to pick up 8 more boxes of Kenne Bell blowers, we stopped off in Apple Valley, Ca to do a quick courtsey pick up for a fellow Camaro5.com member SPANKT U.

We figured some of you guys would like to see some build up shots, so you can see whats involved in the install. Unfortunately, getting one of my mechanics to actually take chronological pictures is near impossible, so your gonna have to put 2 and 2 together..

The car is a BEAUTIFULL SS2 RS, with next to no miles. Its soo clean you could eat off of it.

It currently has:

Doug Thorley shorty headers
Doug Thorley cat back
Hurst shifter

Were installing:

Kenne Bell 2.8 Supercharger (Polished)
Lowering Springs
Tune

We have a ton more pictures being loaded, as shes already completed, so check back soon for the final product, along with the dyno numbers.















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Old 04-29-2010, 12:28 AM   #2
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I did everything I can to post the video. Unfortunately, this forum isnt like some of the others I have been on, so I dont know how.

Instead, I just posted the link. Can someone please post the actual video? Or, just tell me how..

BTW, Hear that baby GROWL?!?!?!?!
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Great numbers. I really would love to see the vid, but the link didn't work for me. Probably was my computer having the issues though.

Quick question, with that kind of power that this car is putting down, how much of a difference would 2 1/2" exhaust compared to 3" exhaust make for hp and tq?

Edit: I think Photobucket was doing some site maintenance when I clicked on the link. Looking forward to hearing her scream soon.

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Old 04-29-2010, 01:39 AM   #4
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We have video, datalogs, and pictures if anyone cares to see. This was on the stock KB tune. The a/f was between 11.5 and 11.6:1



http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ve_Iverson.flv
That's what I wanted to see. Very nice.

I love how the hp line jumps from just below 350 rwhp to 470 rwhp between 3500 rpms and 4500 rpms. That's over 120 rwhp in 1000 rpms. And it's a great place for that kind of jump too, because when you're trying to conserve gas and drive mellow, you can stay below 3500 rpms with your shifting and then as soon as you just step on the throttle at tad harder, BAM! you're off.

Plus you have all that low end torque for tire roasting fun. haha. 500 ft/lbs at 2800 rpms, damn.
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We have tested the differences between 2 1/2 and 3" multiple times. When you have comparably flowing systems, you will see little to no difference in power between the 2. If you have a corked up 2 1/2" exhaust, the the 3" will show a very large improvement.

I prefer 2 1/2" over 3". Its easier to manuever around the body, and rear cradle. But ONLY if its a very free flowing system.
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Great numbers. I really would love to see the vid, but the link didn't work for me. Probably was my computer having the issues though.

Quick question, with that kind of power that this car is putting down, how much of a difference would 2 1/2" exhaust compared to 3" exhaust make for hp and tq?

Edit: I think Photobucket was doing some site maintenance when I clicked on the link. Looking forward to hearing her scream soon.
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BTW, this car is going to Apple Valley, Ca. I think that is extremely close to you. Steve, the owner is a super cool guy, so I'm sure, that if you asked, he'd be more than happy to show you just how it feels.

As for people saying that this type of torque is useless, and that you will just roast your tires; well, I can say their wrong on soo many levels. These cars aren't light by any stretch of the imagination. Believe it or not, they hook EXTREMELY well due to the weight.. After they haze the tires a tad, this car takes off like a raped ape..
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BTW, this car is going to Apple Valley, Ca. I think that is extremely close to you. Steve, the owner is a super cool guy, so I'm sure, that if you asked, he'd be more than happy to show you just how it feels.

As for people saying that this type of torque is useless, and that you will just roast your tires; well, I can say their wrong on soo many levels. These cars aren't light by any stretch of the imagination. Believe it or not, they hook EXTREMELY well due to the weight.. After they haze the tires a tad, this car takes off like a raped ape..
Thank you very much for the info on my question about exhausts.

I hear you loud and clear about the usability of the low end torque. It just comes down to the driver most of the time. With some practice and like you said, getting the tires warmed up, these bad boys will hook and then turn into rockets.

I've been a passanger in a short test drive of a K/B blown L99 and I couldn't believe the power.

Oh, and I just checked out the vid. I love the sound of the K/B.

And you're right, Apple Valley isn't too far at all.
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GOT IT!!

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Wow! Great results Jeff I have been losing sleep over the excitement of having you install my KB next weekend, and this is just going to make it worse
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Nice Jeff but not by that much !!!!!
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First off, those are impressive numbers for not having anything more done to the car!

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We are sitting extremely conservative, seeing a MAX of 11.6:1. Our logs show an average pf 11.46:1 (were commanding 11.5). Had we gotten a little more aggressive with timing, and played with fueling, we would have gotten there, But we were going for a daily driven street car, that would survive on 89 octane if necessary.
What would you say the average timing is in the WOT area of the timing table? I'm sitting around 15-16 degrees and I don't see any knock but I'm also a little richer than this car at ~11.1:1 at WOT. How much am I leaving on the table with the extra .4-.5 of fuel that I have? I'm tuning my car myself so I'm sneaking up on the peak power very slowly.



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But hey, Im sure he can be happy with 582rwhp 544rwtq on a virtually STOCK car, with only 7.34psi..Boys and girls, that is OVER 700hp at the flywheel using an 18% loss factor. At 15% it IS 700hp.
I'm surprised at how much more power the KB makes over the TVS. I wonder if the size is a factor or if they are significantly more efficient? I have a 2300 and I've only got 6.5 lbs of boost with a super conservative tune and I would guess I'm making right around 500 rwhp to the wheels.



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Good luck on your new found power Steve. TPE is NOT responsible for large quantities of speeding tickets. Wait a minute, yeah we are.....
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Great numbers jeff!...
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Nice Jeff but not by that much !!!!!
LOL i missed this...Gary your car is fine! The kenne Bell had more power we just played it safe! need a hug?
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I was just bustin his b*lls.. 10 hp, and 30lbft of torque is nothin really..

Your all good Gary, im sure its only a matter of time before you decide to up the power.
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WOW!

So this was a 2.8H, with only DT shorties and CB, and at ~ 7.5 psi of boost, on the canned KB tune, the car was making 570+ RWHP? Jesus... I'm a little confused about the knock you mentioned - was that with the canned tune, or after you were in there a little bit?

Also, back to the exhaust for a moment: Do you think a good 3" CB and manifolds would be as good a set-up as this car's current set-up (DT shorties & 2.5" CB)? I might just go 3" from the cats' and leave the manifolds; the shorties would be nice for some eye candy, but I'll need to see a completely stock car to compare for sure.

Also - I just bought the new Super Chevy and that was a good story on the 2.8H you guys had in there.

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We started with the canned tune, and went from there. When we dialed the fuel in for a little more safety, we decided to play with the WOT timing. So when we started to see knock, we backed it down 2*.

Yes, the car made 570+ on the canned tune. Well, I had played with part throttle MAF settings. But it was nowhere near WOT.

Yes, I do. We dont reccomend shorties AT ALL.. They are a complete waste of money on these cars. The stock manifolds flow WAYYYYY to well. You cant really see the headers. Especially when you've got the big blower sitting on the top.
Imagine this: You see Jennifer Aniston, with a low cut wet t-shirt on. Would you notice her white teeth?? Or would your eyes be pre-occupied?

Be looking out for Super Chevy in the coming months. You will see a few things out of our shop in there.

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So this was a 2.8H, with only DT shorties and CB, and at ~ 7.5 psi of boost, on the canned KB tune, the car was making 570+ RWHP? Jesus... I'm a little confused about the knock you mentioned - was that with the canned tune, or after you were in there a little bit?

Also, back to the exhaust for a moment: Do you think a good 3" CB and manifolds would be as good a set-up as this car's current set-up (DT shorties & 2.5" CB)? I might just go 3" from the cats' and leave the manifolds; the shorties would be nice for some eye candy, but I'll need to see a completely stock car to compare for sure.

Also - I just bought the new Super Chevy and that was a good story on the 2.8H you guys had in there.

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We started with the canned tune, and went from there. When we dialed the fuel in for a little more safety, we decided to play with the WOT timing. So when we started to see knock, we backed it down 2*.

Yes, the car made 570+ on the canned tune. Well, I had played with part throttle MAF settings. But it was nowhere near WOT.

Yes, I do. We dont reccomend shorties AT ALL.. They are a complete waste of money on these cars. The stock manifolds flow WAYYYYY to well. You cant really see the headers. Especially when you've got the big blower sitting on the top.
Imagine this: You see Jennifer Aniston, with a low cut wet t-shirt on. Would you notice her white teeth?? Or would your eyes be pre-occupied?

Be looking out for Super Chevy in the coming months. You will see a few things out of our shop in there.
OH - so you fattened the OEM tune more, and added just enough timing to safely run on 89? Do you think tuning for a 91 minimum would yield any significant improvement over the 89 tune you just completed then? OH - were you guys running an open element filter, or the CARB-style set-up I noticed in the article? Can you comment on how KB looks at custom tunes from one of their dealers? For example, if I were to ask you to custom tune my car, would there be a warranty problem on KB's side? I'm concerned with trying to maintain any warranty that KB has for the kit - that's why I ask.

I guess going with your KB, no one's going to really see that driver's side header, are they, lol. I guess a big ole' lung on top of the engine would be sweet enough for my teeth. I was looking at shorties (because of CARB crap) for a little more aggressive exhaust tone, too, but think I've found Heaven in a recently released system; CBs are easier to install, too, lol.

Aniston has teeth?...

Sorry - one last question: Do you know if KB is going to try to get CARB-exemption on the 3.6, too? I don't know that that'd be really beneficial to my case, since I'd probably only be looking at running less than 10 psi on an OEM LS3 anyways; for now, lol.

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I was just bustin his b*lls.. 10 hp, and 30lbft of torque is nothin really..

Your all good Gary, im sure its only a matter of time before you decide to up the power.
Jeff pm me what kind of numbers you think we can make with my setup? And is it there yet is it there yet. Lol
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Enough to now make me REALLY REALLY nervous about fuel..

But honestly, I think we will have to turn it down to the 650-670rwhp range.. If we had the fuel, we could hit 700rwhp.

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Hey Guys,

Were heading out to go deliver Steves car back to Socal, so we will be offline for a bit. That being said, we WILL be in socal this evening, and would be more than happy to do a FREE courtsey pick up. We have 2 black 2.8 kits, 1 Polished 2.8 kit, and 1 polished 2.8LC kit in stock, so we can have you up and running in no time.

My personal cell is 702-354-5333. You can also email me at Jeff@Corvettetuners.com I will get the email on my phone.
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