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View Poll Results: Which is the your supercharger of choice as a bolt on for a 100% bone stock L99 A6 ?
Kenne Bell 50 18.52%
Magnuson TVS2300 117 43.33%
Vortech V-3 Si-Trim Supercharger Kit 23 8.52%
Magnacharger Intercooled Supercharger 17 6.30%
L99 ProCharger High Output Intercooled P1SC Kit 19 7.04%
Edelbrock E-Force Supercharger Street Legal Kit 33 12.22%
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Old 04-22-2010, 11:47 AM   #26
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TVS2300 track times & TVS2300 w/traction control "on"

Hello,

Thanks for all the great answers! If anyone else wants to answer those questions feel free to post your answers ! More info & opinions are welcome.


Some new questions;



1/4 MILE TRACK TIMES

What will the car run with a TVS2300 @ 6psi with the Magnuson tune that comes with the unit on a 100% stock 2010 camaro ss?
(more or less, or estimates)

What will that same car do with the TVS2300, CAI, tune, & short headers?
(more or less, or estimates)



TRACTION CONTROL ISSUES

What happeneds to a 2010 supercharged camaro ss L99 A6 with 6psi of boost when you floor it with the traction control in the "on" position?

Does is just not go anywhere?

Does it go and then bog down?

Does it go better than stock?

Is it a pain/annoying to drive?



TUNE QUESTIONS

Right now the car has two modes "D" & "S";

Can you have one tune for the "D" mode & one tune for the "S" mode ??

What happends to those two modes after the maggie tune?

What happends to those two modes after any tune?

Do the "D" & "S" modes get lost in the tune?

Which mode does the tune reside?
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Hello,

Thanks for all the great answers! If anyone else wants to answer those questions feel free to post your answers ! More info & opinions are welcome.


Some new questions;



1/4 MILE TRACK TIMES

What will the car run with a TVS2300 @ 6psi on a 100% stock 2010 camaro ss? (more or less, or estimates)

Mid 12's bad track hot day, low 12's good track good day.

What will that same car do with the TVS2300, CAI, tune, & short headers? (more or less, or estimates)

A couple of tenths faster than previously stated. Long Tube headers are where its at though, LT's will put you in the 11's all day anywhere.

TRACTION CONTROL ISSUES

What happeneds to a 2010 supercharged camaro ss L99 A6 with 6psi of boost when you floor it with the traction control in the "on" position?

It still works about the same. If you get rid of torque management it starts having a little bit of trouble keeping up. More importantly what are you doing at full throttle with traction control on?

Does is just not go anywhere?

It'll pull timing and/or throttle until the tires stick again.

Does it go and then bog down?

Kind of

Does it go better than stock?

Is it a pain/annoying to drive?

Turn traction control off, and it won't be a problem. It was designed for snow/ice, that the only time it should come into play.

TUNE QUESTIONS

Right now the car has two modes "D" & "S";

Can you have one tune for the "D" mode & one tune for the "S" mode ??

Yes a good tuner can do that for you

What happends to those two modes after the maggie tune?

Magnacharger doesn't do much for the tranny, for many good reasons. However there a good results to be had in the hands of a professional

What happends to those two modes after any tune?

Do the "D" & "S" modes get lost in the tune?

Which mode does the tune reside?
When a car is tuned the only parameters that get changed are the ones being requested. I.E. if i want to change timing, thats the only part of the tune that changes.

Hope this helps

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When a car is tuned the only parameters that get changed are the ones being requested. I.E. if i want to change timing, thats the only part of the tune that changes.

Hope this helps

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Mike at haddad did my L99, it's at 8lbs boost with long tubes. He had S & D setup differently so that S has quicker shifts. I haven't run 1/4 mile yet, but it gets to 60 MPH in 3.8 seconds as my best run so far, haven't tried a 0-60 run in a while. With stock tires, traction is an issue. I always drive with TC off so timing is not pulled. I leave stabilitrack on for safety but it has never kicked in, I don't let it get too sideways and the car tracks fairly well after the rear end kicks out a little bit at first after losing traction but then it straightens up. I have about 3K miles on it since the mods and zero issues.
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Mike at haddad did my L99, it's at 8lbs boost with long tubes. He had S & D setup differently so that S has quicker shifts. I haven't run 1/4 mile yet, but it gets to 60 MPH in 3.8 seconds as my best run so far, haven't tried a 0-60 run in a while. With stock tires, traction is an issue. I always drive with TC off so timing is not pulled. I leave stabilitrack on for safety but it has never kicked in, I don't let it get too sideways and the car tracks fairly well after the rear end kicks out a little bit at first after losing traction but then it straightens up. I have about 3K miles on it since the mods and zero issues.
And what kind of power did your car dyno at?
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1/4 depends on a lot of things from how well you drive, DA, track surface ect. Take a look at the official track times and look at the mods for a feel.
Traction control on mine after the work is kida like hitting the rev limiter, when you break loose it will pull power. With it off you can about spin as much as you want, depending on your tires and road surface, you really have to drive it.
Mine is M6 so I cant help you on the Auto tranny side.
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500 at the wheels, only had 800 miles on it at the time car is running great with 4000 miles on it now, probably a little stronger since it's more broken in now.
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500 at the wheels, only had 800 miles on it at the time car is running great with 4000 miles on it now, probably a little stronger since it's more broken in now.
OK -I will dyno your car for free. 8lb and headers. right? I am only 6 miles from Magnuson
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The only L99 car that we've done we put a ProCharger D-1SC with Kooks Long Tubes, High Flow Cats, and Magnaflow Catback. That car at 8lbs made 524rwhp and 518rwtq. Majority of the Gen5's that we've done have been M6 LS3 cars.
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The only L99 car that we've done we put a ProCharger D-1SC with Kooks Long Tubes, High Flow Cats, and Magnaflow Catback. That car at 8lbs made 524rwhp and 518rwtq. Majority of the Gen5's that we've done have been M6 LS3 cars.
How much power did this car make N/A? What kind of dyno was it tested on

My guess (XYZ) I would be interested if you really know
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OK -I will dyno your car for free. 8lb and headers. right? I am only 6 miles from Magnuson
oxnard ? I live in corona too far. 8lbs, kooks headers+exhaust and rotofab CAI, custom tune. Why do you want to dyno my car ? Not believing 500 HP ? Pretty much in line with other cars with same mods.
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I ran the numbers and I guess will all the other mods it can do it. I more than anything want to see how my dyno stacks up. We are a bonded dyno and must calibrate every 30 days to keep the certificate. We are also the Mustang Dynamometer dyno rep for So Cal. All too often we dyno a car at 440 and the customer says it can't be because they just made 500 at XYZ dyno. I look like the bad guy because the other dyno guy fudged his numbers

like the dragon guy that claimed a 250hp increase at 5psi with no intercooler. It can't be done. 320 RWHP can't turn into 570 at 5 psi RWHP - Sorry

This is no reflection at any one person - But as we release our Twin Turbo kit for the 2010 Camaro - i want to compare real numbers. We are will to sell a few of the first kits at a small discount to get them in teh hands of others - we know word of mouth will travel faster then any advert or article
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Magnuson TSV2300 vs Edelbrock E-Force

Hello,

Thank you all again !! More questions of course.

It seems the Magnuson TVS2300 is the most popular and the Edelbrock E-Force is too new for popularity at this point. What are the major differences between the two?

I was reading in the forum that the Edelbrock E-Force starts to build back pressure in its self after 5000 RPMs which would lead me to believe there is no more potential than what it is. That being said, it seems the maggie has more boost potential into the motor, but would be irrelivant for my goals. However you know that people always wany more and more HP.

The Maggie has a jack shaft, right? That is the side shaft the goes to the belt in the back, right?? The Edelbrock E-Force does not. Are there problems with jack shafts ?

Also I read the Edelbrock E-Force has a boost bypass valve to keep the pressure low during normal driving. I guess that would be like a kind of waste gate. They say it's better for fuel milage. Is it? And is it better for logevity?

Does the Maggie have a boost bypass ?? or is it pressure all the time ?

Whats the fuel milage on the maggie (6psi) and the Edelbrock E-Force (6psi)??

What about the stock torque converter? Can it handle it ??

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How much power did this car make N/A? What kind of dyno was it tested on

My guess (XYZ) I would be interested if you really know
If I remember correctly that car made 335 stock. I'd have to confirm on Monday. We have a DynoCom dyno.
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Wow I'd like to get mine dynoed and tuned for Free. my other dyno numbers are posted on the thread Maggie install (easy). Taking it to the track Saturday. Granatelli do you carry smaller pulleys as well? BB I will post my numbers from the track after this weekend for you. Any other questions let me know. I am not a professional tuner installer by any means. Air Force
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Wow I'd like to get mine dynoed and tuned for Free. my other dyno numbers are posted on the thread Maggie install (easy). Taking it to the track Saturday. Granatelli do you carry smaller pulleys as well? BB I will post my numbers from the track after this weekend for you. Any other questions let me know. I am not a professional tuner installer by any means. Air Force
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Maggie install video

I wanted to to take the time to thank everyone who answer my questions.

Here is a video of a maggie install on horsepower tv for all those still learning like myself-

http://www.spike.com/full-episode/20...n-camaro/35955
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I wanted to to take the time to thank everyone who answer my questions.

Here is a video of a maggie install on horsepower tv for all those still learning like myself-

http://www.spike.com/full-episode/20...n-camaro/35955

Under normal conditions at 80-85 mph I am getting 23 mpg on hwy. Driving through town I am at around 16 mpg. I am around 13 lbs of boost with a 2.75 pulley and I also have 3.70 rear gears. I truly believe that my mpg have improved with the maggie with normal driving habits. Of course when I am on the gas hard then there is nothing economical about it. You can't beat the looks of the maggie.
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I'm sorry but I have to chime in here. I don't think any supercharger is as quiet as my procharger. Maggies are quiet, but they don't suprise the techs who dyno them as they can hear the Maggie.
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I called a place that installs superchargers. They said they only put them on new cars and they would have to do a leak down test on a "used" car, my 2010 camaro.

So I'm wondering how long is it before a supercharged street engine starts to get blow by? 36,000 miles?
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I hated the maggie on my corvette hated the procharger on my 2002 SS... LOVED the KB on my 03 cobra.. it was incredible..

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Hello,

Thank you all again !! More questions of course.

It seems the Magnuson TVS2300 is the most popular and the Edelbrock E-Force is too new for popularity at this point. What are the major differences between the two?

They share the same Eaton rotors, but about everything else is different on the assembly. Edelbrock claims greater torque numbers, and from my recollection, it looks spot-on, but it's still a little early, IMO, to make definative judgments. Either one will do you good

I was reading in the forum that the Edelbrock E-Force starts to build back pressure in its self after 5000 RPMs which would lead me to believe there is no more potential than what it is. That being said, it seems the maggie has more boost potential into the motor, but would be irrelivant for my goals. However you know that people always wany more and more HP.

Well, if you're keeping the rest of the car stock, there's probably not too much to really worry about. I kinda' tend to think the straighter the path to the intake port, the better, for the most part. If the runners are tuned, though, there's potential for improvements, though, it would seem. The question I have for Edelbrock is if these runners are tuned for torque, is that only given a particular configuration (i.e. only at the boost level the kit comes with, or is it tuned from the stock psi through X psi)? Having headroom is great, IMVHO, and I think you have plenty with either of these (or any others mentioned in this thread for that matter).

The Maggie has a jack shaft, right? That is the side shaft the goes to the belt in the back, right?? The Edelbrock E-Force does not. Are there problems with jack shafts ?

I believe there could be harmonics that jackshafts could add, however, I remember reading Magnuson went to a carbon fiber shaft to prevent that from happening. Also, a jackshaft would enable a straight shot right into the mouth of the SC. I know that KB has been really focused on keeping intake restrictions down, and their Mammoth inlet flows like 1800 cfm, so my point about a straight shot is likely moot. I don't have a dyno or data to support any claims - just humble opinions from research.

Also I read the Edelbrock E-Force has a boost bypass valve to keep the pressure low during normal driving. I guess that would be like a kind of waste gate. They say it's better for fuel milage. Is it? And is it better for logevity?

I believe I read the Maggy has the same valve that KB uses, and has had them for a long time. I'm sure it's even the same as the Edelbrock unit. It will help mileage and longevity because it relieves boost when it isn't needed, and the SC doesn't end up fighting itself, for the most part.

Does the Maggie have a boost bypass ?? or is it pressure all the time ?

See above.

Whats the fuel milage on the maggie (6psi) and the Edelbrock E-Force (6psi)??

It would seem mileage wouldn't be adversely affected so long as you could keep your foot out of it. Actual owners are going to have to comment on this though.

What about the stock torque converter? Can it handle it ??

I'm sure it can. I'd be careful, though, as there are ways one could fry a stock converter if you really try, even without a power adder. A good tranny tune would help out here also. As long as you stay with the canned SC tunes, I'm sure it'd be fine.

Thank you.
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Also, I'd suggest you keep your eyes open in this thread. There are more products coming out too, which means there are going to be more opinions and experiences posted. I think those are going to be really valuable and I'm sure you (and me) will learn a lot from them.

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But the cobra has no bottom end as compared to the other 2 - the blowers should have made the Chevy’s feel great down low - even with a KB it is still lazy down low unless you pop the clutch - NO?
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