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Old 06-28-2010, 08:57 PM   #126
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I sure hope someone figures out the correct rearend option SOON. Now Bruce, I know you can figure this out, but do it fast....LOL I waiting for it. I am also curious as to what options you have come across for the driveshaft? I know Chris has a 1 piece coming but I have also been told there are issues with the 1 piece at the TO bearing. I like the idea of a solid axle but I also am kinda leaning towards keeping the IRS to stay with the true character of the camaro and working on perfecting the setup for IRS. The whole process of building a new camaro is so exciting but at the same time, very frustrating as you stated, its a very slow process waiting on new designs on what works and what doesnt. I am curious as to what the stock diff will hold as I think I am going to be pushing those limits and hope the new designs arrive in time.

You are right J. It is tough to wait, but when people such as yourself are pushing into uncharted areas. There is a lot of time for the developers to catch up. This is such a new platform. Our drivetrains will differ some in that the SST has a slightly shorter 4L85E. But the rearend and the tranny can both be set to give the correct pinion angle and driveshaft u joint angles. One of the items that may have to be modified is the ebrake. The driveshaft options are out there. 1350 front and rear are a must but in speaking with some companies such as Mark Williams - harmonics, resonance, driveshaft speed and sideloading should NOT be a problem. If it works for Pro Mods and Pro Stocks I think we'll be OK. I have heard both pros and cons for CF shafts so more research needs to be done there.

In the meantime I hope the stock diff holds up well for you. I know someone who has a spool that will fit in there if that becomes an issue.
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:58 PM   #127
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Insane!! And so beautiful at the same time!

Still workin' on it, Bruce, btw...
Thank You Sir. It'll be cool to see some of your ideas.
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Wiring.

Boy, I bet that title just gets everybody wound up, huh? Kind of like watching paint dry...lol

But seriously, if you have been around boats or aircraft you know that good wiring is paramount and something that just plain needs to be done to preserve integrity and safety. Well for this type of wiring, Dave at Nelson Supercars is the man. To figure out how to integrate three (actually four) completely stand alone computers into one system is genius. Factory ECM, Electromotive TEC3r ECM, Bowler/Compushift Transmission Controller and Aeromotive Fuel Pump Controller.

Anyway, the wiring job is fantastic. Aircraft Connectors and strain reliefs, Indy car high temp sheathing, Raychem heat shrink over new wiring, individual wiring labels and pin outs all integrated with factory connectors. Seamless. Excellent workmanship.

So here is what it all looks like:
First Pic - Aircraft Connectors that interface to new computers
Second Pic - Aircraft Connectors with Strain reliefs and Indy sheathing
Third Pic - Repin/wire and new sheathing Type 1
Fourth Pic - Repin/wire and new sheathing Type 2
Fifth Pic - One of the harnesses intergrating Factory with aftermarket including keeping the stock firewall grommet.
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Old 06-28-2010, 10:26 PM   #129
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damnit! i just spent 12 hours working with aircraft connectors and i get on here to distract me and there here too! nooo!!!

in all honesty though - those old style A/C connectors don't hold their connections through vibrations as well as you'd think.

Project is still looking good though!
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Old 06-29-2010, 06:44 AM   #131
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damnit! i just spent 12 hours working with aircraft connectors and i get on here to distract me and there here too! nooo!!!

in all honesty though - those old style A/C connectors don't hold their connections through vibrations as well as you'd think.

Project is still looking good though!
Ha...you can't get away from your aircraft connectors. They will follow you home.

Anyway, we have used the same ones here that we use on the turbine offshore boats and they have never failed (yet). There may be a newer generation but these are many steps above automotive connectors.
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That makes auto weather pak connectors and wiring look downright cheap.
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This isn't natural... there has to be some magic being performed in there somewhere... wow.... This is the build of the century; SO glad you chose to do this to a Camaro!! I'll bet the Camaro designers are watching this thread with great interest too.

Awesome; just awesome.
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That makes auto weather pak connectors and wiring look downright cheap.
I have been around the turbine boats too much where wiring and connectors sometimes get melted. It is a gooey mess... Not too funny when something nearby goes to 600 degrees Celsius in about 3 seconds and the wire sheathing didn't meet spec.

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This isn't natural... there has to be some magic being performed in there somewhere... wow.... This is the build of the century; SO glad you chose to do this to a Camaro!! I'll bet the Camaro designers are watching this thread with great interest too.

Awesome; just awesome.
Thanks Doc. I think your Blue Angel is such a cool build so that means a lot coming from you.
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Old 06-29-2010, 01:55 PM   #135
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Ha...you can't get away from your aircraft connectors. They will follow you home.

Anyway, we have used the same ones here that we use on the turbine offshore boats and they have never failed (yet). There may be a newer generation but these are many steps above automotive connectors.

most of ours are sadly 40-50 yrs old...so that may be a problem but twist locks in general usually hold a good connection. good luck on the rest!
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most of ours are sadly 40-50 yrs old...so that may be a problem but twist locks in general usually hold a good connection. good luck on the rest!

I think a twist-lock on a beer would be a good thing...
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I think a twist-lock on a beer would be a good thing...
definitely! but IMO all the best beers seem to be pop-off. Guiness, killians, Sammy?


only problem is since i get off work at 0700 now..i feel like an alcy if i drink

So i get to live vicariously through you and your car !
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definitely! but IMO all the best beers seem to be pop-off. Guiness, killians, Sammy?


only problem is since i get off work at 0700 now..i feel like an alcy if i drink

So i get to live vicariously through you and your car !

Nothing like an 0700 burnout to really wake up the troops !!
You know you must !!!
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but I don't have my car here! sadness...
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but I don't have my car here! sadness...

Bummer. You are doing that Jax/CA/everywhere else routine...but THANKS for doing it.
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I"m proud to do it

I'll be back state-side in decemberish to start my power modding and hopefully check out your car
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Thanks Doc. I think your Blue Angel is such a cool build so that means a lot coming from you.
Calling my project a "build" is extremely gracious of you; all I'm doing is replacing a few parts with upgraded ones. What you're doing is a genuine build. I'm not even in the same stadium as you, much less the same league. Even if I had the money I wouldn't know how to do half of what you're doing.

Sleeper cars can be so much fun. I remember some years ago a guy put a World War II Rolls Royce Merlin V12 engine from a Spitfire in an actual Rolls Royce. From the outside it looked like a dead stock Rolls Royce. He said it was hilarious to pull up behind a Ferrari or Porsche doing 180 on the autobahn and flash his brights for them to move over. I can only imagine what Ferrari drivers must have thought looking in their rear view mirror and seeing that barn door front end of a Rolls flashing its brights at them at that speed LOL. And then blow past them. It could cruise at 200 mph. Of course I think it got something like 6 mpg but he was rich and didn't care.

I can't wait to see what yours can do. I'd love to see it if you'll be showing it anywhere in southern California.
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Calling my project a "build" is extremely gracious of you; all I'm doing is replacing a few parts with upgraded ones. What you're doing is a genuine build. I'm not even in the same stadium as you, much less the same league. Even if I had the money I wouldn't know how to do half of what you're doing.

Sleeper cars can be so much fun. I remember some years ago a guy put a World War II Rolls Royce Merlin V12 engine from a Spitfire in an actual Rolls Royce. From the outside it looked like a dead stock Rolls Royce. He said it was hilarious to pull up behind a Ferrari or Porsche doing 180 on the autobahn and flash his brights for them to move over. I can only imagine what Ferrari drivers must have thought looking in their rear view mirror and seeing that barn door front end of a Rolls flashing its brights at them at that speed LOL. And then blow past them. It could cruise at 200 mph. Of course I think it got something like 6 mpg but he was rich and didn't care.

I can't wait to see what yours can do. I'd love to see it if you'll be showing it anywhere in southern California.

Holy F*CK 1,xxx hp right there.
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I"m proud to do it

I'll be back state-side in decemberish to start my power modding...
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Calling my project a "build" is extremely gracious of you; all I'm doing is replacing a few parts with upgraded ones. What you're doing is a genuine build. I'm not even in the same stadium as you, much less the same league. Even if I had the money I wouldn't know how to do half of what you're doing.

Well, I know you see it all the time, but I think the Blue Angel looks awesome.

Sleeper cars can be so much fun. I remember some years ago a guy put a World War II Rolls Royce Merlin V12 engine from a Spitfire in an actual Rolls Royce. From the outside it looked like a dead stock Rolls Royce. He said it was hilarious to pull up behind a Ferrari or Porsche doing 180 on the autobahn and flash his brights for them to move over. I can only imagine what Ferrari drivers must have thought looking in their rear view mirror and seeing that barn door front end of a Rolls flashing its brights at them at that speed LOL. And then blow past them. It could cruise at 200 mph. Of course I think it got something like 6 mpg but he was rich and didn't care.

That would be fun to see on You Tube...lol I am sure he wasn't too worried about his mpg.

Similar to that, but not really a sleeper - Charlie Lillard in California has a 55 Chevy with a 3,000 hp Rolls Royce engine mounted in it he got from an Australian guy. There is a clip of it here:
Another crazy setup.

I can't wait to see what yours can do. I'd love to see it if you'll be showing it anywhere in southern California.
It's just north of LA right now and will be driving around a bit sometime probably in August to road tune it. It'd be fun to see you.

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It's just north of LA right now and will be driving around bit somtime probably in August to road tune it. It'd be fun to see you.
Just let me know when; Tuesdays or Wednesdays would be the easiest days for me to drive up and meet you and see your fantastic car.
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Next on the list is the transmission. We tried and tried to find ways to utilize the 6L80E but at this point this is too much TQ and HP for presently available configurations. In addition - the 6L80E actually has too many gears for the SST. (It would have to be set up to start in 2nd at a track - as a general rule, the higher the output the more you want the engine to do the work and the less you rely on the multiplication of the transmission and rear gear ratio.

So after lots of digging around we settled on a Bowler 4L85E transmission. We spoke with many shops and top builders kept saying Bowler, so that is where we ended up. This transmission is the closest thing to bullet proof (outside of a non-street friendly Powerglide or Lenco) that we could find.

I will not bore you with the gory details but every part but the case is HP specific and has been replaced.

We stayed with a 2.48 first gear ratio. The transmission is 100% programmable and computer controlled. On the fly we can change transmission programs between street/strip/road race/long cruise. These programs can optimize it for power/economy or cool running.

This transmission has an extra deep pan to clear the transbrake and allow for additional fluid capacity. A neat feature alluded to earlier is that the transbrake is controlled by the right TapShift button (along with a hidden arming switch) and the left TapShift button controls the LineLoc. Stealthy.

The converter is a HD billet one that has the stall optimized for the torque curve of this engine and still retains lock-up capability.

Another reason for going to this level is that old adage - you get what you pay for. This 4L85E has already been broken in and fully dyno tested under EXTREME loads at their shop. Actually Mark (Bowler) knew the capability of the motor and after running it on the dyno, took it all back apart to check for any wear marks. He found one spot and machined that part to perfectly match its mate with a close tolerance and then put it all back together and repeated the process until it was perfect. That is just way cool...

So here are the transmission pics.
First Pic - The transmission is here !
Second Pic - Bowler 4L85E Extreme
Third Pic - Deep pan to clear the transbrake, add more fluid and strengthen the lower tranmission case.
Fourth Pic - This is the Input Shaft made from 300M. All shafts in this unit are 300M.
Fifth Pic - CNC Billet Converter - you can even see the marks in the metal where they mounted it to test it. This converter is also designed for a 6 bolt connection to the flexplate.
Sixth Pic - Note the massive welds and the thickness of the output flange. Heavy Duty stuff they built.
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I can't wait to see this thing....

I have a feeling that when Radz28 sees these tranny pic... he's gonna...
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Next on the list is the transmission. We tried and tried to find ways to utilize the 6L80E but at this point this is too much TQ and HP for presently available configurations. In addition - the 6L80E actually has too many gears for the SST. (It would have to be set up to start in 2nd at a track - as a general rule, the higher the output the more you want the engine to do the work and the less you rely on the multiplication of the transmission and rear gear ratio.

So after lots of digging around we settled on a Bowler 4L85E transmission. We spoke with many shops and a top builders kept saying Bowler, so that is where we ended up. This transmission is the closest thing to bullet proof (outside of a non-street friendly Powerglide or Lenco) that we could find.

I will not bore you with the gory details but every part but the case is HP specific and has been replaced.

We stayed with a 2.48 first gear ratio. The transmission is 100% programmable and computer controlled. On the fly we can change transmission programs between street/strip/road race/long cruise. These programs can optimize it for power/economy or cool running.

This transmission has an extra deep pan to clear the transbrake and allow for additional fluid capacity. A neat feature alluded to earlier is that the transbrake is controlled by the right TapShift button (along with a hidden arming switch) and the left TapShift button controls the LineLoc. Stealthy.

The converter is a HD billet one that has the stall optimized for the torque curve of this engine and still retains lock-up capability.

Another reason for going to this level is that old adage - you get what you pay for. This 4L85E has already been broken in and fully dyno tested under EXTREME loads at their shop. Actually Mark (Bowler) knew the capability of the motor and after running it on the dyno, took it all back apart to check for any wear marks. He found one spot and machined that part to perfectly match its mate with a close tolerance and then put it all back together and repeated the process until it was perfect. That is just way cool...

So here are the transmission pics.
First Pic - The transmission is here !
Second Pic - Bowler 4L85E Extreme
Third Pic - Deep pan to clear the transbrake, add more fluid and strengthen the lower tranmission case.
Fourth Pic - This is the Input Shaft made from 300M. All shafts in this unit are 300M.
Fifth Pic - CNC Billet Converter - you can even see the marks in the metal where they mounted it to test it.
Sixth Pic - Note the massive welds and the thickness of the output flange. Heavy Duty stuff they built.
That tranny pan and converter are sweet looking! Are the electronics by Bowler, or do they use aother companies (like TCI or something)? I only ask because I've only noticed similar controls from that company, but I'm sure there are more out there. I'm just curious

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With all due respect to everyone who's got build threads going: I have to say this is probably the coolest one yet. OMG!
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With all due respect to everyone who's got build threads going: I have to say this is probably the coolest one EVER!!!. OMG!
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