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Old 07-12-2010, 12:12 AM   #101
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on the top gear site this comment pissed me off "The first half of the Rapide/Quattroporte/Panam era test was really very good. The muscle car test was a bit silly, comparing a redneck mobile to a serious German car."The interviews took up a lot of time, and weren’t very interesting go to http://transmission.blogs.topgear.co...sive-outtakes/ to fight back.
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:13 AM   #102
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The fact that they call the Benz a muscle car had me laughing pretty hard.

AMG or not, it's still a yuppie-mobile.

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Old 07-12-2010, 12:21 AM   #103
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i don't know why people like this pretencious a-s show so much; the sad thing is its a lot of times chock full of bad info and people take it as fact when its supposed to be entertainment
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:24 AM   #104
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I am a Brit, living here in Dallas (have done for 8 years now). Finally a proud owner of an American Muscle car (my Camaro 2011 2SS/RS).

I've watched Top Gear pretty much since I was a kid, back home and here in the USA. Us Brits do have an odd sense of humor, which is fine, but I have to say, (even being slightly bias as I own a Camaro) that the comparison really wasn't fair.

One car at £72,000 and one at £40,000... that just doesn't make sense. Even the bhp and torque figures are nowhere near each other... the only 'close' comparison is the 6.3 vs 6.2 liter engine... which is a stretch.

It was an excuse to drive two powerful cars and have fun. Of course one would win over the other, and we wanted it to be the car we all love.

However, this time, the car costing almost twice as much won in the 'comparison'.

I'm not too disheartened to be honest. It's one persons opinion. Opinions are like a$$holes. We all have them.
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:24 AM   #105
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This is why we came to America to get away from dudes like that! I did enjoy Arthur driving though. I wanna rematch!!
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:25 AM   #106
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The fact that they call the Benz a muscle car had me laughing pretty hard.

AMG or not, it's still a yuppie-mobile.

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Agreed.

As of now there are only three muscle cars currently being built.... None of them are built in Germany..... And I'm sorry but the CTS-V (coupe or sedan) is not a muscle car.... Neither is a Vet... IMHO

Honorable mention goes to Holden from Australia.
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:27 AM   #107
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Eh. Idk.

I think they used 'D' during the testing unfortunately. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the CTS-V. The auto tranny in the Camaro is the CTS-V auto tranny's little cousin. With that said the auto in the CTS-V outruns the manual to 60 mph (.3 sec), 100 mph (1 sec.), and around the Nurburgring!
That's true, if you pause the video when they show the MPH, they are driving the car around the course is "D" mode as opposed to "S" with Traction control and Stability OFF.

Whether the manual would have did better is debatable,...

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We're not talking about a straight line test here. With the same driver, the M6 will be faster than the A6 around the Top Gear track. That's a fact. Put the Stig behind the wheel of an M6 SS and the time would be faster. It has nothing to do with engine and everything to do with transmission when racing on a road course.
How much faster would it be? ".1" seconds? .2 seconds? So your really telling me that stock vs stock the manual transmission is better than the automatic?
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:29 AM   #108
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:30 AM   #109
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That's true, if you pause the video when they show the MPH, they are driving the car around the course is "D" mode as opposed to "S" with Traction control and Stability OFF.

Whether the manual would have did better is debatable,...


How much faster would it be? ".1" seconds? .2 seconds? So your really telling me that stock vs stock the manual transmission is better than the automatic?
On a road course generally Manuals are better. Now if we're talking an M3 with that dual clutch set up that has zero hesitation in manual mode.... then no.... there is no difference.

but our auto vs our manual in the correct traction mode, The manual is faster on a road course.
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:31 AM   #110
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Well I wish they had used an LS3 car, and comparing it to the AMG was retarded. Those are two completely different types of cars. Still fun to see the Camaro going around the TopGear track. I'm glad Hammond likes the Camaro, he's the only one of the three who's opinion I would have respected.
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:34 AM   #111
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:35 AM   #112
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He says that that AMG can take any muscle car... Do you think it can take a fello redneck car the 2011 GT500? I am pretty sure MT tested it faster around the track than a Porshe 911 and the Audi R8.
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:39 AM   #113
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I dunno, guys. I liked the review.
Sure, what they compared it too wasn't really too fair, but I'm not going to complain about that. I was happy just to see the car in action!
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:40 AM   #114
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I just saw that Top Gear used the automatic version of the Camaro on Top Gear. Which means they were missing out on more power and a lighter car! I bet the manual would be faster than the Maloo. LOL
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:41 AM   #115
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I dunno, guys. I liked the review.
Sure, what they compared it too wasn't really too fair, but I'm not going to complain about that. I was happy just to see the car in action!
I know! Seeing the Stig swing the car out in those last two corners looked soooooooooo sweet!
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:45 AM   #116
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The guys on top gear from day 1 of the 5th gen have hated it. The reason that they compared the two was the displacement. Really though the AMG has a hand built engine.... i mean the LS3 cant compare to a motor built by germans, specifically because its got much more engineering to it. But what ever helps the brits sleep at night then so be it. Id rather have the AMG so i could sell it and put the extra money into a camaro and destroy it in every aspect of the track. How about they compare that and the CTS-V..... yeah now then they'd have a fair comparison from a price tag point of view.... But really at least they finally put the Maro on the show.

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Old 07-12-2010, 12:46 AM   #117
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Ive seen 2010 wrx sti's bone stock hit high 12s, 2011 Mustang GT'S ,2010 GT'S with a set of slicks with stock 3.73 gears, maybe your right not a whole lot. But just being honest. Theres a host of cars that can be had cheaper and modded cheaper and put up the same figures. Just being realistic. Not that i'd trade my Camaro for any of them.
Yeh I get ya, that was pretty much my outcome when car shopping. I went the subaru turbo route on my last car and while I loved the car,especially in bad weather, the camaro just had something that lured me to it after test driving. When i was looking to buy a new car I weighed all my options and test drove a few different ones. I was hard pressed to find anything that i could compare to the performance I was getting for the price. The top runners was another subaru, challenger, or camaro. So i compared the sti vs the ss vs the srt8. The srt8 i thought looked more true to the original but the price tag, worse fuel system, and worse performance steered me away from it. The sti had better handling, the braking distance is very similar in both cars, but the straight line performance wasnt there for me and honestly i was over with the turbo 4cylinder phase. A mustang could of been a option if i was a ford guy
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:49 AM   #118
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We're not talking about a straight line test here. With the same driver, the M6 will be faster than the A6 around the Top Gear track. That's a fact. Put the Stig behind the wheel of an M6 SS and the time would be faster. It has nothing to do with engine and everything to do with transmission when racing on a road course.
No fact about it.

Here's a copy and paste.

I think they used 'D' during the testing unfortunately. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the CTS-V. The auto tranny in the Camaro is the CTS-V auto tranny's little cousin. With that said the auto in the CTS-V outruns the manual to 60 mph (.3 sec), 100 mph (1 sec.), and around the Nurburgring!
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You too huh?
are you really upset?

he just combined them all in to one thread for easy searching.. And put it on the home page...

Seems kinda cool to me...
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No fact about it.

Here's a copy and paste.

I think they used 'D' during the testing unfortunately. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the CTS-V. The auto tranny in the Camaro is the CTS-V auto tranny's little cousin. With that said the auto in the CTS-V outruns the manual to 60 mph (.3 sec), 100 mph (1 sec.), and around the Nurburgring!
with a supercharged LSA and over 125 more hp...
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are you really upset?

he just combined them all in to one thread for easy searching.. And put it on the home page...

Seems kinda cool to me...
Meh, and removed my video to substitute with his own.
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:56 AM   #122
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Dear Murderers-

I've always loved TOP GEAR and I always will. But they flip flop back and forth with reviews.

This one says they like it, a few episodes from now they will call it back and say they don't like it, or point out all of the flaws compared to some other car that they are testing at that time.

Jeremy did this with the Corvette. He tested it here in Ca. and said he loved it, then recently tested it vs another car and said that he didn't like it very much anymore but he did say the Vette was a better choice of the 2 for the fun factor.
Jeremy said all of the bad things about the car and went out and bought one. He still owns the zr1.
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Meh, and removed my video to substitute with his own.
maybe we should ban him....

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yeah......


I dont think Clarkson ever owned a ZR1. It was just a rumor a while back.
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exactly what i thought, that curly haired jackass hates American cars "no one intelligent would drive that car" , and whats with the murderous comments? i cant believe i watched that, i knew before what it was going to be like.

what a arrogant rotten tooth turd.....
This guy is always making fun of American cars and Americans, not sure why we watch his junk show or why we dont have a show that make fun of britons and their cars, their cars that are soooo perfect that ended up being owned by everyone except them. Ford had Rover, Aston and Jag now the Indians have them, TATA. lol
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