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Old 12-04-2008, 12:34 AM   #1
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Finally some people who get it

http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightlin....html#comments

Check out the comments. This is one of the first time I've seen internet commentators outside of Camaro5 recognize the awesomeness for what it is, without any of that "GM is bad" crap.
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Old 12-04-2008, 12:39 AM   #2
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Holy crap! Post those in the Mustang lover's thread...
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Old 12-04-2008, 01:21 AM   #4
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Here's hoping those sentiments translate to sales.

Not that I want a Camaro around every block, like 3rd & 4th gen, but if there's enough orders they'll keep making them & refining them.
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Old 12-04-2008, 02:14 AM   #5
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Here's hoping those sentiments translate to sales.

Not that I want a Camaro around every block, like 3rd & 4th gen, but if there's enough orders they'll keep making them & refining them.
I do. The more there are, the cheaper the aftermarket will be.
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Old 12-04-2008, 07:03 AM   #6
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I would hate to see 100 of them drive by me on the way to work, but if that meant that they would keep refining it, so in 5 years I could go up to the 2016 model, i'll support it
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Old 12-04-2008, 08:11 AM   #7
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Are you kidding, I would love to see a road full of camaros and vettes, It would be like heaven. I already do it now with my monte carlo, there is a trillion of those on the road. LOL, whats funny is that my mom just realized how popular her brand new impala is.
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:20 AM   #8
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Here's hoping those sentiments translate to sales.

Not that I want a Camaro around every block, like 3rd & 4th gen, but if there's enough orders they'll keep making them & refining them.
Word! Talk is cheap! But finally, someone else sees what a value Camaro is going to be. A completely new car and platform only a small "premium" above Mustang is going to be outstanding. Let's hope the roll-out comes without delays.

Although I want Camaro to succeed, I'm at odds with with wanting to see one everywhere I go. I don't want it to become a Ford Taurus or something but I definately want the car to succeed and GM to see there is a strong market for this car.
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:37 AM   #9
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I don't think people care at the V6 level about things like IRS. Look at the last gen,the '96-02 F-body 3.8 was superior to the 3.8 Mustang in all areas,like features and performance,yet you see where that got it. I think it's all about looks and cheap price at the V6 level, and if you liked the looks of the Dodge,a 300HP Camaro isn't going to sway you,or vice versa the Mustang over the Camaro. If people cared about who much car you get for 20K,nobody would buy V6 pony cars,we'd all be driving 4-banger Accords or Rabbits. It's all a gut reaction,i'd say even for the V8 levels for 85% of buyers,us car people are in the minority.
I'm not going to defend the V6 Mustang,it sucks.The '05-09 is actually quite quick,but that damn truck enough takes all of the fun out of it. The V6 Camaro might as well be from Mars in comparison,but i think at 22K,most people won't care,they'll like that one car has so many cup holders vs the cool dash lights of another or what kind of spoiler looks best and other meaningless crap and things like the IRS will go right over most people's head.
I love/hate seeing so many Mustangs on the road,i hate that except for the Shelbys or Machs,it's a common car,but i love that being popular keeps it cheap and keeps it going,so Catch 22. At 22K,you'll see a ton of Camaros soon,so you won't be immune. I think it's amazing to see 4th gen Z28's in horrible junker condition or sitting dead in somebody's yard,that was THE car for me in high school,it was so amazing to spot one when they first came out and now,it's just another used car.sad. Same for the '94-04 Mustang.
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:28 AM   #10
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Here's hoping those sentiments translate to sales.

Not that I want a Camaro around every block, like 3rd & 4th gen, but if there's enough orders they'll keep making them & refining them.


And hopefully they will bring back the LEDGEND known as the Z28
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:29 AM   #11
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I don't think people care at the V6 level about things like IRS. Look at the last gen,the '96-02 F-body 3.8 was superior to the 3.8 Mustang in all areas,like features and performance,yet you see where that got it. I think it's all about looks and cheap price at the V6 level, and if you liked the looks of the Dodge,a 300HP Camaro isn't going to sway you,or vice versa the Mustang over the Camaro. If people cared about who much car you get for 20K,nobody would buy V6 pony cars,we'd all be driving 4-banger Accords or Rabbits. It's all a gut reaction,i'd say even for the V8 levels for 85% of buyers,us car people are in the minority.
I'm not going to defend the V6 Mustang,it sucks.The '05-09 is actually quite quick,but that damn truck enough takes all of the fun out of it. The V6 Camaro might as well be from Mars in comparison,but i think at 22K,most people won't care,they'll like that one car has so many cup holders vs the cool dash lights of another or what kind of spoiler looks best and other meaningless crap and things like the IRS will go right over most people's head.
I love/hate seeing so many Mustangs on the road,i hate that except for the Shelbys or Machs,it's a common car,but i love that being popular keeps it cheap and keeps it going,so Catch 22. At 22K,you'll see a ton of Camaros soon,so you won't be immune. I think it's amazing to see 4th gen Z28's in horrible junker condition or sitting dead in somebody's yard,that was THE car for me in high school,it was so amazing to spot one when they first came out and now,it's just another used car.sad. Same for the '94-04 Mustang.
With all due respect, you make a valid argument. But, I think much more will be made of the superior technology once both cars are available to the public. Mustangs will allways sell. We'll have to see how much the Camaro can take out of Fords market share.
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:48 AM   #12
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With all due respect, you make a valid argument. But, I think much more will be made of the superior technology once both cars are available to the public. Mustangs will allways sell. We'll have to see how much the Camaro can take out of Fords market share.
Even then,i wouldn't be so sure,it's why people buy a Harley over a Honda or a Camaro over a 335i,technology is pretty irrelevent if you got a hard on for a Sportster or a Mustang. Flip it,a STI has so much more technology than a SS Camaro at around the same price and it has 5-doors and AWD and on paper,it's a car that offers more,but for everyone on this board and me,that is meaningless if you WANT that Camaro. You want what you want,a GTO was better and faster than my car,but i didn't want it
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^Again, you have a valid point. And the V6 market is much more saturated with non enthusiasts than the V8 market is. However, the Mustang and the Camaro will always go head to head. So, here's hoping that Chevy does a good job of communicating what you get for the extra 1k. Like I said, we'll have to wait and see.
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:00 AM   #14
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I would say the V6 Mustang is embarassing next to the V6 Camaro for just 1K less. Hopefully,it will matter for once and maybe we'll get a better V6 out of slipping sales. Well,i also mean not just the engine but the base car as a whole.
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I would say the V6 Mustang is embarassing next to the V6 Camaro for just 1K less. Hopefully,it will matter for once and maybe we'll get a better V6 out of slipping sales. Well,i also mean not just the engine but the base car as a whole.
The V8 has potential, but it certainly doesn't compete out of the factory either.
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The V8 has potential, but it certainly doesn't compete out of the factory either.
...............with the SS,it doesn't compete with the SS. The GT is on par or betters everything else in power and mostly handling with everything else in its price range. Mostly power and especially in styling. It's that pesky SS that will leave it behind and it's the main rival so it makes the GT look worse than it actually is. Same as in '94,that GT was a hell of a car,yet when you got a 275HP Z28 sitting around. The Challenger R/T matches the GT just due to the excessive weight,but it's that freak of nature SS that makes the GT look bad.
The V6 is the one that Ford needs to work on,it's uninspiring in nearly every way,yet it still sells
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Ya know, its not JUST the fact that Ford is still putting a weak V6 in the Mustang... the biggest turn off for me was, it is a weak V6 AND it STILL gets worse gas mileage than the stronger V6 in the Camaro!! I mean, if you're gonna make a weaker engine, at least get some better mileage out of it so you have some sort of excuse. Like my car, its a Focus yeah, but she gets 33 mpg (and is still fun to drive with the ST and 5 speed manual).... that being said i cant wait to trade it in for the Camaro lol
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...............with the SS,it doesn't compete with the SS. The GT is on par or betters everything else in power and mostly handling with everything else in its price range. Mostly power and especially in styling. It's that pesky SS that will leave it behind and it's the main rival so it makes the GT look worse than it actually is. Same as in '94,that GT was a hell of a car,yet when you got a 275HP Z28 sitting around. The Challenger R/T matches the GT just due to the excessive weight,but it's that freak of nature SS that makes the GT look bad.
The V6 is the one that Ford needs to work on,it's uninspiring in nearly every way,yet it still sells
One of the reasons I sold my 05 GT is because every block I would see one driving by , plus it was a Ford lol , these mustangs did not have any competition until now now we have the chally and maro hitting the streets and the SS will slaughter the competition , that's why I bought a classic z28 you don't see them around and I get lots of looks (500hp) the only thing that sucks with my car is the fuel lol , now a NEW Z28 would be ultra rare to see on the streets why BIG MONEY , one can only hope they build them , blown vette motor WoW
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...............with the SS,it doesn't compete with the SS. The GT is on par or betters everything else in power and mostly handling with everything else in its price range. Mostly power and especially in styling. It's that pesky SS that will leave it behind and it's the main rival so it makes the GT look worse than it actually is. Same as in '94,that GT was a hell of a car,yet when you got a 275HP Z28 sitting around. The Challenger R/T matches the GT just due to the excessive weight,but it's that freak of nature SS that makes the GT look bad.
The V6 is the one that Ford needs to work on,it's uninspiring in nearly every way,yet it still sells
once the V6 Camaro comes out it won't sell nearly as much
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