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Old 07-26-2010, 01:43 PM   #276
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Not sure, I sent them an email waiting to discuss with them further details but from what they told me so far it's 400RWHP and just a little over 500 at the crank. Looks like a pretty sweet deal. Z do you have any warranty info? Does it void the cars engine warranty completely? Or do they have to directly relate it to the turbo system?
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Old 07-26-2010, 04:03 PM   #277
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I'll try to hit all the answers.

The AACS car supposedly ran on 6 psi. of boost.

I have been in discussions with STS and Trifecta regarding the DYNO run and both agree that there is room for improvement. I am working with Vince on more data-logging since it appears there are some issues at the higher RPM's (5000+). STS is working on my EBC and Meth Injection and we are trying to determine what's going on this the wastegate as the boost seems a little low. I am sure we will get this system much higher but I think the best way to look at this is it does work on a very safe level. 100+ rwhp gets us slightly above a stock L99 from some of the actual numbers I've seen. And yes, the Dyno that I used is generally lower that the DynoJets. Best estimate by Dyno guys was that I would have run about 380 rwhp on a Dynojet at the same time (just estimates of course).

So, car is fine as is and can be run all day and should not present any issues as it is currently set-up. Of course, I will continue to try for more but I would say that you can safely buy the kit and get it running with some great results.

As far as warranty from GM, I have absolutely no idea about it but was impressed that you don't have to change much to get the STS kit installed. I haven't taken her in to get any service (1,100 miles so far) but when I do, I'll let everyone know what they say.

Lastly, as I don't have access to a drag strip I'll plan to get a Dashhawk for some 0-60 mph times. I went for a short cruise with a bunch of 2010's yesterday and was pleased to hear one of the V-8 guys comment that my car had some pull on the freeway (not that we were racing or anything.....).
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Old 07-26-2010, 07:37 PM   #278
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Z I am sooo envious of you lol. Thanks again for all the info you are constantly pouring into these forums!
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Old 07-26-2010, 08:06 PM   #279
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damn it Z! with all your results and info u are goin to make me 6k poorer!

I hate u. . .and love u at the same time. weird.
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Old 07-26-2010, 08:12 PM   #280
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damn it Z! with all your results and info u are goin to make me 6k poorer!

I hate u. . .and love u at the same time. weird.
Damn, that's what my wife says...
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Old 07-26-2010, 09:14 PM   #281
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Old 07-26-2010, 09:18 PM   #282
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I can't wait to see the final result once you get your tune maximized. 380RWHP, hm... what are our stock? 260 RWHP ish ?
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Old 07-26-2010, 09:31 PM   #283
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damn it Z! with all your results and info u are goin to make me 6k poorer!

I hate u. . .and love u at the same time. weird.

Ditto in the sense of being 6k poorer....
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Old 07-26-2010, 09:53 PM   #284
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Old 07-27-2010, 12:37 AM   #285
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Z, thank you and BRAVO!
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Old 07-27-2010, 02:11 AM   #286
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Ditto in the sense of being 6k poorer....
What, no love?
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Old 07-27-2010, 02:47 AM   #287
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Any more than 8psi of boost on an 11.3:1 CR non forged stock bottom end and your asking for trouble.
Ask me how I know... lol
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Old 07-27-2010, 05:54 AM   #288
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Are you talking about the pistons? Our rods and cranks are forged.
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Are you talking about the pistons? Our rods and cranks are forged.
pistons are going to be a weak point... more specifically, most likely the piston ring landing, the thin part of the piston right above the rings. The pistons are hypertheuretic (spelling?) which means they are durable/long lasting, but they are some what brittle and do not tolerate detonation well... And due to emissions the rings are placed close to the top of the piston.. so you have this thin piece of brittle metal above the rings... under normal conditions they are fine and will last a very long time... but push them to hard and throw in some detonation and you will crack a piece off the piston... and then you are in trouble... i know... been there, done that... LOL
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What, no love?
Oh hell no man tons of love. Haha, I will be ordering mine within the next week or so. Thanks again for all the info, I called them up and they mentioned your setup and how you haven't had any issues etc. I did however get some info on the warranty.


It's dealer specific as to whether or not they want to allow the coverage after the turbo/addons are installed. Most usually don't have a problem because this is the same system/company that adds turbos daily to the new corvettes and almost all chevy dealers honor the warranty because it's a high demand item for the vette. Basically it shouldn't be an issue. Also he did say if for some reason they won't honor the warranty they know dealers that will.

Also for those interested if you do not have the tools/confidence to install it yourself they have a list of places who are pretty well known for installation of turbos.
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Oh hell no man tons of love. Haha, I will be ordering mine within the next week or so. Thanks again for all the info, I called them up and they mentioned your setup and how you haven't had any issues etc. I did however get some info on the warranty.


It's dealer specific as to whether or not they want to allow the coverage after the turbo/addons are installed. Most usually don't have a problem because this is the same system/company that adds turbos daily to the new corvettes and almost all chevy dealers honor the warranty because it's a high demand item for the vette. Basically it shouldn't be an issue. Also he did say if for some reason they won't honor the warranty they know dealers that will.
I would be very leery of a anything someone tells you about your warranty over the phone....

Couple of things...

Big ticket items like motors, have to be approved by GM. At that point it's out of the dealerships hands. Pop your motor and the GM rep is going to have to come out and check it out... A dealership may not give you a hassle on little things and legally can't hassle on unrelated things, like your power windows stop working... but a big ticket item in your power train, like a motor or tranny... yeah, GM is probably not going to cover you... It's not the dealerships call...

Also, look at how GM is cracking down on power train warranty... they find a aftermarket tune on your ECU or any evidence of you having had one on there they void your entire power train warranty... You take your car in with the turbo on and ask them to fix your motor... well, i don't see it happening...

Now you could always return your car to stock and take it in.... but in my opinion, you want to play, you have to pay...
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I also believe the manual boost controller will allow you to not only adjust the boost level (which is starting to seem like its unsafe to up it much more than 6psi), but it will also keep boost levels more consistent throughout the RPM band which should make the dyno graph less peaky...While final hp output may not change, the delivery of that max HP should broaden across the band - this is as long as the ECU doesnt think there is too much of air or fuel and try to pull it back - but thats what the T-Tune is for, no?

I also agree about with high compression ratio its unwise to run high boost (but I still dont think 8 lbs is high by any means in the general turbo sense, but then again I dont know of any boosted cars with 11.3 : 1 either)

Working in the steel industry, the higher grade steel being used in these pistons does make them more durable (under their designed operating parameters), however they prob have a tensile close to their yield which means they are more brittle; so when they are outside of their operating parameters, they may be susceptible to cracking. BUT, we dont know how much of a safety factor was designed into them either, so they may be designed just like the STS kit - conservative and safe - which means there may be some leeway yet - but I still wouldnt try anything over 7-8 lbs when everything else is stock...

Boost gauge and boost controller are going to be two good ways to help along this path..
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Not sure if you can compare the two, but my buddy in his acura rsx-s with a compression ratio of 11:1 runs his turbo at around 13-15psi.
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I would be very leery of a anything someone tells you about your warranty over the phone....

Couple of things...

Big ticket items like motors, have to be approved by GM. At that point it's out of the dealerships hands. Pop your motor and the GM rep is going to have to come out and check it out... A dealership may not give you a hassle on little things and legally can't hassle on unrelated things, like your power windows stop working... but a big ticket item in your power train, like a motor or tranny... yeah, GM is probably not going to cover you... It's not the dealerships call...

Also, look at how GM is cracking down on power train warranty... they find a aftermarket tune on your ECU or any evidence of you having had one on there they void your entire power train warranty... You take your car in with the turbo on and ask them to fix your motor... well, i don't see it happening...

Now you could always return your car to stock and take it in.... but in my opinion, you want to play, you have to pay...

Absolutely, Im going to poke around see what additional info I can get. When I get more info I'll post it.
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Not sure if you can compare the two, but my buddy in his acura rsx-s with a compression ratio of 11:1 runs his turbo at around 13-15psi.
and he has stock internals? and stock fuel management and stock injectors?
If he's not and he's running that much boost, he wont be doing it for very long.

His car also has aluminium forged pistons that were designed to handle high static compression which translates into being able to deal with boost better (to a degree)

And conversely, we dont know how much boost this LLT can handle because no one has really pushed the limits up to this point (or at least there arent any in this discussion). The motor may somehow surprise everyone and hold 13 psi as well, I seriously doubt it, but you never know.

We just dont want Z blowing his motor, so everyone is trying to be conservative given the facts about this motor on paper.
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Not sure if you can compare the two, but my buddy in his acura rsx-s with a compression ratio of 11:1 runs his turbo at around 13-15psi.
Im sure this guy doesnt have direct injection, and has probably upgraded his injectors, fuel rail, pump and pressure regulator. its a completely different with our V6's. We wont be able to boost to those levels unless we start to see some aftermarket fuel management.
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Im sure this guy doesnt have direct injection, and has probably upgraded his injectors, fuel rail, pump and pressure regulator. its a completely different with our V6's. We wont be able to boost to those levels unless we start to see some aftermarket fuel management.
Not sure if it matters or what not since I know nothing about boost but it appears that the fuel pressure is about 90 on the LLT.
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Not sure if it matters or what not since I know nothing about boost but it appears that the fuel pressure is about 90 on the LLT.
thats fine for lower boost levels, like 5-8 lbs of boost, but with more boost, you need for fuel.. the more boost you try to run without upgrading will cause you to start running way to lean and thats not a good thing.

I've talked to several manufacturers already, most recently i talked to the guys at Vortec at one of our local meets. they all agreed that the main set back in developing any FI kits for us, is the fact that its direct injected and theres no current aftermarket support for our fuel system.

Im sure that if we can get some companies to start developing some decent fuel system components, we can get these kits boosting at some real nice levels and put down some serious power. I for one would like to see the V6 raise the front end off the ground.
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thats fine for lower boost levels, like 5-8 lbs of boost, but with more boost, you need for fuel.. the more boost you try to run without upgrading will cause you to start running way to lean and thats not a good thing.

I've talked to several manufacturers already, most recently i talked to the guys at Vortec at one of our local meets. they all agreed that the main set back in developing any FI kits for us, is the fact that its direct injected and theres no current aftermarket support for our fuel system.

Im sure that if we can get some companies to start developing some decent fuel system components, we can get these kits boosting at some real nice levels and put down some serious power. I for one would like to see the V6 raise the front end off the ground.
I don't think its just the fuel management. I plan to boost at 8 psi with the meth kit and expect to be slightly over 400 rwhp. I would think boosting beyond that, or adding horsepower beyond that, would require internal work and upgraded drive train. I just don't buy the Vortec argument of we won't build it until we can get fuel management to support the higher boost levels.

What level of rwhp will you be happy with? I was amazed at the other thread where there is heavy debate about getting a V-6 to 300 rwhp.

Now as far as getting the front off the ground, maybe if I can sit my fat _ss in the trunk I might be able to get it done.....
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thats fine for lower boost levels, like 5-8 lbs of boost, but with more boost, you need for fuel.. the more boost you try to run without upgrading will cause you to start running way to lean and thats not a good thing.
Isnt 90 substantially higher than most fuel systems? What is the norm?
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