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Old 12-19-2008, 08:05 AM   #69
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ABL adds how much more HP.
More relevant to the thread than horsepower, and important to GM, is how many sales will be lost without it. I'll buy a 1SS, so it's not important to me. That said, I can't imagine that anyone wanting a Camaro wouldn't buy it because they couldn't get "ambient lighting". When I bought my '67 with standard interior, the "ambient lighting" was a little white plastic bubble with an incandescent buld stuck in the middle of the headliner and it worked great. I think we've become jaded. GM, however, should do the right thing and adjust the cost downward if they do have to delay/eliminate the ambient lighting.

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Old 12-19-2008, 08:26 AM   #70
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More relevant to the thread than horsepower, and important to GM, is how many sales will be lost without it. I'll buy a 1SS, so it's not important to me. That said, I can't imagine that anyone wanting a Camaro wouldn't buy it because they couldn't get "ambient lighting". When I bought my '67 with standard interior, the "ambient lighting" was a little white plastic bubble with an incandescent buld stuck in the middle of the headliner and it worked great. I think we've become jaded. GM, however, should do the right thing and adjust the cost downward if they do have to delay/eliminate the ambient lighting.

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Old 12-19-2008, 08:31 AM   #71
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I agree with TAG 110%. And in my dream, I'm also driving half way across the country to pick my Camaro and driving it home from NC to OH.

If ambient light is cancelled completely, my order will not change.

It ambient light it postponed, my order will be also.

It's not about nit picky things, it's about being dissapointed when I see ambient lighting on later SS's, and thinking that I should have just waited.
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You, sir, have hit the nail on the head....and asked the 1 million dollar question...

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For those working on the ABL, work harder-work faster...please. I beg of you!

I close my eyes and see myself walking up to it with bright eyes, a smile that has been molded to my face, tears beginning to well up in my eyes....a headache from all the excitement leading up to this point....grrr....

I see myself just overjoyed that all the wait has been worth while...and a dream of mine would actually be coming true. I think about opening the door and sitting in MY new black leather drivers seat...putting my hand on the Hurst shifter, taking off my shoes so I don't track in dirt and sliding my feet in. I think about being handed the key fob...and just staring at it...I think about a special someone telling me to fire her up....and VROOOOM! My heart beats faster and I keep saying, "oh my God...oh my God...I really can't believe this is finally happening..."

I think about revving it up...and listening to that V8 breath through that chambered exhaust as everyone begins to look in the direction of my 2SS/RS...and they crowd around to see it.

I think about signing my papers...and making it all mine...and driving it off with the Boston Acoustics blaring AC/DC...and Metallica...and Guns and Roses....and Disturbed....and hundreds of other songs that I downloaded on my Zen player which is connected via USB in my center console.


I humbly request you do your best.

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Old 12-19-2008, 09:00 AM   #73
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I won't cancel but may modify my order to a 1ss. I just want something that I would actually use available in the 2ss package since I will not be driving the car as a daily driver.
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Old 12-19-2008, 09:36 AM   #74
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I'm with TAG also.

A lot of us put down a huge chunk of deposit money (some non-refundable!) on a car that very few of us has even seen in 3 dimensions. We based our purchase based on photoshopped pictures, incomplete order books, and rumors of present and future features.

I, for one, am not a big fan of leather, but when I imagined what the black leather interior of my rally yellow Camaro would look like bathed in a soft blue glow - well, you know....

Now we find the mental picture we've built in our mind's eye may turn out to be a mirage. And murky statements from GM reps that "it's not canceled," while good to know, only fuels the fire because the rumor was it was delayed, not canceled. I think we're all adult enough to deal with the truth - what bothers me is the trickle of information we're getting. If their are problems with ABL, just tell us up front what it is and if its the consensus of the GM engineers that it will or won't be ready on 16 Feb. It just immature of GM to withhold information and hope the bugs are ironed out in time just so they won't be accused of misleading us - which will happen anyway!

The HUD issue, the stripe issue, now the ABL issue means a lot to many people here and time is running out to give our dealers instructions on what to do with our order. We respectfully ask:
1. Is ABL delayed.
2. if so, for how long? We know, but give us a guess.
3. Will MSRP be adjusted? By how much?

We now return control to you....

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Old 12-19-2008, 09:38 AM   #75
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And i thought i was the only one with OCD when it comes to "nic picky".
Oh no, The OCD on this website is spread thick, It even has it's own thread.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...&highlight=OCD

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Or give us HUD as a replacement for the same price.
I want both
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Old 12-19-2008, 09:41 AM   #76
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there is a problem here... and the problem is that we've waited for this car and been faithful to the cause for YEARS... we've endured the cancellation of the 4th gen and waited for years with nothing... then watched this car go from Concept to IVER to pre-production to production car and SEMA concepts and now to captured fleet cars roaming the streets... and we've ALL made some sacrifices along the way... the roof is a little taller, there is a b-pillar, the gas tank isn't up on the rear shoulder, the gas tank is on the OTHER SIDE OF THE CAR, the radio looks completely different than the Concept's, there's no navigation system (yes, there is OnStar, but it would have been cool to have something like what the CTS has)... all of these things we suffered through and persisted with our loyalty and love for the car... we "kept the faith"... we've ordered our cars knowing that we weren't getting HUD... we ordered our cars knowing that parking assist wasn't going to make it to the first run of cars... we ordered our cars knowing that a Z28 might come out and completely blow our cars away in a year... but there is a line... and not having ambient lighting available in the car at launch is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

the Ignition video was put out to tease us with how cool the interior would be... and then you tell us we can't have the one thing you were hoping to garner interest in with that video? the HUD, as it stands, in that video isn't going to be available but now you tell us that if you order at launch you're not going to get the AMBIENT LIGHTING?!?!? are we going to get a discount versus those who will order later and get the same car but WITH the ambient lighting? or is this a "you're buying the first run" tax? will there be a retro fit for those of us who have remained loyal for sooooooo long? for those of us who have MULTIPLE CAMAROS and GM products? or is this a "too bad, so sad" deal?

because, honetly, GM, this is a DEAL BREAKER when compounded with everything else that we've endured... Heaven knows I love to be the first to have a super cool new thing, but if this isn't going to be available, why order now? mark my words, guys, if this ambient lighting thing is true, we will be cancelling our pre-order... I would rather wait to get the best possible deal and package rather than being first in line... as it stands, if we wait, we'll be able to get a lower cost out the door, more options for the car and maybe even swing a Z06/Camaro SS double purchase for waiting, so this truly is a deal breaker.


GM, if you're hurting for money, dont piss off your core fans... dont make us wait for ANOTHER item on this car... you need sales right now and this WILL NOT BE GOOD for your reputation or sales... make some miracles happen, GM... you've had over 2 years of developing this car to get it right... time to prove that you're number one on the planet and deliver on your promises or get ready to have your name dragged through the mud.

your loyal following awaits an honest answer before January 1, 2009.
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Old 12-19-2008, 09:45 AM   #77
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I'm with TAG also.

A lot of us put down a huge chunk of deposit money (some non-refundable!) on a car that very few of us has even seen in 3 dimensions. We based our purchase based on photoshopped pictures, incomplete order books, and rumors of present and future features.

I, for one, am not a big fan of leather, but when I imagined what the black leather interior of my rally yellow Camaro would look like bathed in a soft blue glow - well, you know....

Now we find the mental picture we've built in our mind's eye may turn out to be a mirage. And murky statements from GM reps that "it's not canceled," while good to know, only fuels the fire because the rumor was it was delayed, not canceled. I think we're all adult enough to deal with the truth - what bothers me is the trickle of information we're getting. If their are problems with ABL, just tell us up front what it is and if its the consensus of the GM engineers that it will or won't be ready on 16 Feb. It just immature of GM to withhold information and hope the bugs are ironed out in time just so they won't be accused of misleading us - which will happen anyway!

The HUD issue, the stripe issue, now the ABL issue means a lot to many people here and time is running out to give our dealers instructions on what to do with our order. We respectfully ask:
1. Is ABL delayed.
2. if so, for how long? We know, but give us a guess.
3. Will MSRP be adjusted? By how much?

We now return control to you....
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I want both
and we should GET both if we order this car and the ambient lighting isn't ready at launch... it should be a "we're sorry we made promises we didn't keep" gift to those of us who have been loyal for so long.
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Old 12-19-2008, 09:48 AM   #78
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The HUD issue, the stripe issue, now the ABL issue means a lot to many people here and time is running out to give our dealers instructions on what to do with our order.
Exactly. Could be why GM is holding out info. We're all big boys here GM, you could at least say that's there a x% chance we get it done in time.
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Old 12-19-2008, 12:44 PM   #79
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This IS a deal breaker for me...not just because I have to have ambient lighting, by because it's yet another thing that the car won't have at launch. I'm a little concerned at this point since they keep pulling stuff off the launch cars that they will have more than their fair share of "first year car" issues. I know this could go either way since hopefully they are pulling these "goodies" off of the car to keep the quality up, but after all the waiting and faith we have kept over the years...the loyal, order the car sight-unseen people ordering the guinea pig first year cars get the shaft. Not cool. With the country in the economic state it's in....now is not the time to be taking things off the car that people are expecting, especially if there will be no price adjustment.
We have stood by you and even sold a few of these cars for you already to people we just meet on the street and you want to take our gadgets away?!?!?
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Old 12-19-2008, 12:50 PM   #80
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We don't need no stinking Lights! I just want my car so I can play!!!!

They can take out all the extra electronics and lighting for al I car. Make it cheaper give us a discount and saves some weight! I would be happy with manual windows manyal leather seats! ETC.... Less crap to warranty or break and lighter car for a solid hotrod.

Companies make more power in motors than ever and add more weight for frills now days. Hell I dont even need a stereo I can do that myself. Ship it to me with no wheels use donut spares to deliver it. Give me specs for wheels that can fit I'll buy what I want and tires too!

While I do agree with all those that really want the lighting and the other items they were promised. They should get them. I disagree that I can't get mine with what I want without having the Extra BS that drives the price up just to get the Performance, color, and interior seat trim I want.

I want a true 60s/70s Hotrod without the extra BS and I hate paying for items I really don't want anyways. I always have. I want it with what I want and not items I dont want because I can do better for me if I do it myself. But why must I an dpeople like me pay twice. Onece for what we don't want and again to change it to what we do want?

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Old 12-19-2008, 01:26 PM   #81
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I agree with TAG 110%. And in my dream, I'm also driving half way across the country to pick my Camaro and driving it home from NC to OH.

If ambient light is cancelled completely, my order will not change.

It ambient light it postponed, my order will be also.

It's not about nit picky things, it's about being dissapointed when I see ambient lighting on later SS's, and thinking that I should have just waited.
Very well put. I think this is a very good example of where delayed gratification will pay off big time. I am going to be struggling to pay for this car for some time and I would be pissed to see a better version a couple of months down the road.
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Old 12-19-2008, 01:38 PM   #82
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Or give us HUD as a replacement for the same price.
Ohhhh.....good suggestion! That would keep my order in place....
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What would make me (and i'm sure many others) a very happy camper on the whole Ambient Lighting issue if it is in fact going to be delayed, would be a promise from GM to retro fit at no additional cost the ABL into the 2LT/2SS models that miss the boat.

It may be a bit much to ask, but from looking at the posts here I think it's safe to say it would keep more than a couple orders from being delayed, if not canceled.

For me, the Camaro will be the first new car that will be exactly what I want, no settling for a different color, or getting a "better deal" because it does not have exactly the options package I was looking for.
The current Camaro in my driveway is a perfect example...
When I was out looking for a used F-body a few years ago, I was hoping to find a good deal on a T-top car with a 6 speed.
But instead I found an A-4 ragtop for 50% less that what I was finding the T-tops with the same mileage for.
At the time it seemed like a screaming good deal, and for most people, it would have been.
But as the newness wore off, every time I drove down a twisty road, I thought to myself "I should have waited and bought what I wanted"

The whole stripe thing was an annoyance, the HUD not being available until the 2011MY a disappointment, now with the talk of the Ambient Lighting being delayed, that's just one too many things that I would have to settle for.
And I for one do not want to look at other Camaro's two months after I get mine and have think to myself "if only I had waited another month or two..."

I've done that before, and won't do it again.
If delaying my order means that for once, I won't have to settle for anything, the my order will be postponed.

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Or as others have mentioned give is the HUD early.
At that point i'll go aftermarket for the ABL, or pay out of pocket for GM to install it later.
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Well, just to keep this in perspective, at this point this thread has approx. 20 people that have shown disappointment in no ABL, with some of those planning to delay their order.
The "Calling JohnnyCamaro...." stripe thread has a poll count of 128 asking for longer Rally Stripes, none planning to delay their order since the prospect of a longer option does not exist at this time, but you can bet many would delay if there were longer coming and they were factory installed only items.
My point is that the stripe issue is at least as big an issue, and one I hope GM is also addressing in an expedient manner.
I would delay for longer stripes, but would not for the ambient lighting, an ambiance effect only visible to passengers at night, where the short stripes will be visible even to other drivers passing by on the road.
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Old 12-19-2008, 01:58 PM   #85
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The Camaro is starting to look a lot like Windows Vista. It was going to have a new Files System. Humm could not make that work so its gone. About 6 other things they did not deliver on it when its was orignally talked about.
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