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Old 09-08-2010, 11:04 AM   #885
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To everyone who says "just throw on a supercharger and you'll be golden!"...

I'll ask you again about that when you've thrown a rod and are replacing 12,000 dollars worth of parts out of your own pocket.
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Old 09-08-2010, 11:59 AM   #886
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If you own a Camaro you will understand. Im not talking down on it, but as a Camaro owner why should I change the shoe when it already fits. For you and when you do get the Z-28 it will be the sickest car ever, Even better then my SS. And I will Congrad you on your dream car.
I don't even want a Z28, my dream car is a 2013 Imperial Blue 1SS. But I at least accept that there will be more differences between a Z28 and an SS than there will be between an SS and an LS.
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Old 09-08-2010, 01:15 PM   #887
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The official Z/28 won't just be a supercharged SS. The original Z was built to qualify the car for the Trans Am racing class. The early spy shots indicate they're following this same philosophy with the new one. The chassis, bushings, suspension, brakes, drivetrain, etc will all be specially built and tuned for road racing. You'd practically have to do what the racing teams have done with an SS to get close to what a factory Z is going to be like.

Will they be worth it? They will to those racing. Hard to say if people are going to want to spend that much for a street car or daily driver. As for modding, I don't see there being that much room for mods if they build it to qualify for a racing class. At least not any cheap mods.

Gonna be interesting to see though.
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just talking to someone that makes part of drivetrain for Camaros, they said they are just making prototype part for drivetrain for the Z28. they had made a handful of the part, and its just in prototype stage. so how long does it take to go from prototype to production??? more good news though that they are getting closer to coming out with the Zedder
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Old 09-09-2010, 12:05 AM   #889
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Damn I guess I was wrong the Z-28 will be a hot car, Didnt know it will be a racing car. But you guys are right with all the upgrades it will be a better car. Im bein a Car Hater becuase I wont offord it.
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Old 09-09-2010, 12:19 PM   #890
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just talking to someone that makes part of drivetrain for Camaros, they said they are just making prototype part for drivetrain for the Z28. they had made a handful of the part, and its just in prototype stage. so how long does it take to go from prototype to production??? more good news though that they are getting closer to coming out with the Zedder
Challenger test mules began being seen around and driving in early-mid 2007. Challenger production started in early 2008...

My guess is that the Z/28 or whatever this supercharged Camaro is will be ready to go by Feb.
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Old 09-10-2010, 01:51 PM   #891
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Why does everyone assume this will cost 60 large. Don;t they want to price it below the corvette? They don't want it to be faster than the vette. How about the original Z28, was it quicker than a vette?
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Why does everyone assume this will cost 60 large. Don;t they want to price it below the corvette? They don't want it to be faster than the vette. How about the original Z28, was it quicker than a vette?
It pretty much has to be faster than a base Corvette though if its going to be competitive against the GT500. And pricing, GM has kept the Camaro a little bit above the Mustang from base V6's to the 2SS/GT Premium. So I wouldn't expect anything different with the Z28. In which case, it will be above the price of a base Corvette. Maybe about the same as a Grand Sport.
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Old 09-10-2010, 02:26 PM   #893
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To everyone who says "just throw on a supercharger and you'll be golden!"...

I'll ask you again about that when you've thrown a rod and are replacing 12,000 dollars worth of parts out of your own pocket.
These engines can take boost in stock form. $12K in repairs? No even close. These are not expensive exotic engines.
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Old 09-10-2010, 05:50 PM   #894
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These engines can take boost in stock form. $12K in repairs? No even close. These are not expensive exotic engines.
What cr is the ls3? 10.1:1? Not ideal for boost. Also how much boost are you talking about here? Not extremes that people think it will. Look up the prices for building a forced induction setup from scratch. If done right 12k is very low for everything.
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Old 09-10-2010, 08:07 PM   #895
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What cr is the ls3? 10.1:1? Not ideal for boost. Also how much boost are you talking about here? Not extremes that people think it will. Look up the prices for building a forced induction setup from scratch. If done right 12k is very low for everything.
10.7:1 for the LS3, compared to 9.1:1 for the LSA.
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Old 09-13-2010, 09:51 AM   #896
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What cr is the ls3? 10.1:1? Not ideal for boost. Also how much boost are you talking about here? Not extremes that people think it will. Look up the prices for building a forced induction setup from scratch. If done right 12k is very low for everything.
I didn't know I had to go into detail. lol

they can handle 8-9# for a long long time. I had over 100K on my LS motor running 8# with no issues. (100K MILES)

$12K to build a forged block? No way! Come on now, don't make these comments unless you have experience with the LS1 motors. I built a forged block for $3K!!

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I didn't know I had to go into detail. lol

they can handle 8-9# for a long long time. I had over 100K on my LS motor running 8# with no issues. (100K MILES)

$12K to build a forged block? No way! Come on now, don't make these comments unless you have experience with the LS1 motors. I built a forged block for $3K!!
obviously you don't know me. I have more experience then you give me credit for. seeing how I use to race my 98 z28 and have blown the engine (95k miles NA). once you start putting quality parts in the price sky rockets.

The setup (lq9+l92 heads) I was building for the 98 before the cost of a turbo and install/dyno/all the small nick-nacks was north of 8k. I had to start from scratch due to a rod going through the side wall. There are ways to cheap out on stuff, but after experiencing what I did the first time on my ls1 I wouldn't cheap out. hence why I don't trust the shops around here and was looking for the top quality parts. not the highest priced parts but quality parts.

how do you drive your car? what kind of tune was one it? was this 100k driven with the charger or was the majority of it NA? just because the engine has 100k on it doesn't mean that it's had a rough life. I am willing to bet I had driven my camaro harder then you drive yours. hence why my 98 ls1 blew it's engine at 95k. many factors go into engine longevity. so please be detailed. makes people assume less.
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I love how GM just used a saws all to trim up the rear defuser. I guess the design team hasn't finished that part of the car yet.

Very nice pictures, I can't wait to see the production version.

I can't tell, did GM take out the mail slot on this facia version?
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It pretty much has to be faster than a base Corvette though if its going to be competitive against the GT500. And pricing, GM has kept the Camaro a little bit above the Mustang from base V6's to the 2SS/GT Premium. So I wouldn't expect anything different with the Z28. In which case, it will be above the price of a base Corvette. Maybe about the same as a Grand Sport.
You're wrong about pricing, and the market they're going after is the Mustang, NOT the Corvette, especially the Grand Sport.
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