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Old 08-31-2010, 12:39 PM   #18
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The only thing I don't understand is why the guy bought a $33,000(and up) Hyundai Genisis if he was having hard times.

Why not an Impala or Malibu? They cost less too!



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Old 08-31-2010, 12:40 PM   #19
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:43 PM   #20
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Every dollar spent ends back up in the US, no matter which country it goes to. It is all eventually re-invested in the US, as it ultimately has no value anywhere else otherwise.
hmmm.. I'm not sure this is an entirely accurate statement, but I think the underlying point is good. Money does no good in a big stagnent pile. You have to spend/invest it elsewhere to keep the economy flowing working. It's the oil in the engine per say.
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:44 PM   #21
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When GM ceased production of the 4th Gen they promised the Canadian workers that they would not build a future Camaro in the US. I believe this has some bearing on why Oshawa was chosen and not somewhere in the US. I like my Canadian Camaro!

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Old 08-31-2010, 12:45 PM   #22
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The only thing I don't understand is why the guy bought a $33,000(and up) Hyundai Genisis if he was having hard times.

Why not an Impala or Malibu? They cost less too!





The japanese automakers are clever and deserve multiple accolades. They fed off the whole we make better MPG cars and they are way cheaper for years. They took advantage of piss poor vehicles made here from proabably late 70's to early ninetys, when at that point American cars started coming back. But now foreign cars are actually costing more than american cars and arent any better quality. But Japan sucked in a lot of owner loyal over those two decades they are still profiting off of that. I would say really since 2002-2004 American cars have been superior and really most american made cars either get the same MPG or even better.


Another observation is this. Look at the two countries that we probably do the most business with Japan and China. These are the countries that we have built up to be our spitting image, allowing un-fair trade to go on for years, borrowing extensively from, and really not getting anything in return. So we become more poor and people no longer have jobs because we have no manufacturing base, china and japan are on our heels to dominate the global market. Sad thing is we have let a lot of this happen to ourselves. It's sad really when you think about it besides food and even that is tricky, there is nothing you buy thats made in the states anymore NOTHING.
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:46 PM   #23
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Just an (un-researched) opinion - I am thinking it is more of a financial decision, where it may be lower cost per unit to build them in Oshawa than anywhere else.
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:48 PM   #24
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Bloated pensions & benefits are killing the US auto makers, US government, & local/state govts.

Too larger a percentage of $$'s of each car sold goes to people no longer working for GM/Ford/Chrysler than compared to imports.
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:51 PM   #25
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Bloated pensions & benefits are killing the US auto makers, US government, & local/state govts.

Too larger a percentage of $$'s of each car sold goes to people no longer working for GM/Ford/Chrysler than compared to imports.

True and Japan has a national health care service and is a loose socialism. When they retire the GOVT takes care of them. Our GOVT doesnt do that here so somebody has to
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:51 PM   #26
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Great info, Alfie! Thanks...
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:51 PM   #27
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every car sold and driven in the US, is serviced and maintained in the US by
US citizens. The folks who sold you the cars are most likely US citizens paying taxes like most of us. Like it or not, we all live in a global economy, try buying a TV or a toaster made strictly in the US......

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Interesting reading, one reporters take on why it is built where it is. Cliff notes = it's a union thing.

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Old 08-31-2010, 01:42 PM   #29
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The only thing I don't understand is why the guy bought a $33,000(and up) Hyundai Genisis if he was having hard times.

Why not an Impala or Malibu? They cost less too!
Heard about the Hyundai initiative that, if you're laid off, Hyundai makes the payments? To someone concerned about their employment, that is a BIG incentive...better than a few buck$ on the bumper! The guy credited with that idea? Joel Ewanick, now the guy in charge of GM marketing...

Alfie, I stopped to have lunch at a diner south of Davison MI a couple weeks ago (not far from Flint, not far from Pontiac/Metro Detroit). While sitting in the window, watching traffic go by on a busy 2-lane road (SR 15) I happened to count the vehicles going by...domestic vs. imports. Over 80% were Detroit 3...in the heartland of US auto manufacturing. I was frankly amazed! Now, if it was like that, everywhere else...

In California, it's just about REVERSED...
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I applaud everyone who bought a 2010 or 2011 Camaro because its an impractical car and these are very practical, hard times. Just imagine how many muscle cars would have been sold had this been a more impractical period, say 2006.

So bravo to all ! You helped the economy, and according to the OP, you did so very well.
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Old 08-31-2010, 04:10 PM   #31
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Alfie, I stopped to have lunch at a diner south of Davison MI a couple weeks ago (not far from Flint, not far from Pontiac/Metro Detroit). While sitting in the window, watching traffic go by on a busy 2-lane road (SR 15) I happened to count the vehicles going by...domestic vs. imports. Over 80% were Detroit 3...in the heartland of US auto manufacturing. I was frankly amazed! Now, if it was like that, everywhere else...
Over 80% were Detroit 3
Wow, your visual calculations are incredibly accurate. The actual figure of domestic auto sales for all of Michigan is 82%.

In California it's reversed.
Yes, I noticed that the last time I was in SoCal. Unbelievable! Talk about being amazed...Southern California; the birthplace of American Hot Rodding, muscle cars, drag racing, "Little Deuce Coupe", and "She's Real Fine My 409".
Beautiful area, but now its "Importland".

I just returned from Washington DC. The ratio of domestic/foreign looks like 5% domestic, 95% import, inside the Belt Way. However, as soon as we left town and headed east to Chesapeake Bay and the Delaware coast, the ratio seemed much more "normal"....maybe 60%- 70% Detroit 3.

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Old 08-31-2010, 04:19 PM   #32
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Buying American is great, but should not be a litmus test to determine one's patriotism.
I'm extremely conservative, and Love my home land. But that doesn't mean I think less of someone buying a Hyundai or a Honda is any less patriotic or loving of this great land of ours.

I'm extremely disappointed in GM right now, so if I buy from them, it will likely be used.
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I hate to rain on everyone's parade in here, but protectionism isn't the best course of action; if anything Japan itself has shown us that.
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Old 08-31-2010, 04:49 PM   #34
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I hate to rain on everyone's parade in here, but protectionism isn't the best course of action; if anything Japan itself has shown us that.
Educating and encouraging people about the benefits of purchasing american cars isn't an economic policy. This thread isn't about passing laws to force people to buy american, it's talking points and observations about why you should.
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