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Old 09-09-2010, 04:13 PM   #18
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C'mon, not all FI manufacturers post 1/4 mile times for their products. STS didn't post the times nor make any claims that their system would run a certain time in the quarter. AACS posted their Vid's and the car clearly wasn't ready nor was AACS ready to run the car. I don't remember seeing any proof from NEX that their kit ran ____ in the 1/4 mile. In fact, I don't think I saw any 1/4 times from manufactures like Vortex, Maggie, etc. Most will only post HP increases as that is what they can provide as fact. As USA1Camaro pointed out, a lot of factors affect 1/4 times. I just don't get your argument of the kit doesn't work. I'm glad others, like RDditten and Hurst are putting on these kits. They are great and makes the V-6 Camaro so much more fun.
Thats all true.. HOWEVER I bet you never seen a Vortech, Maggie, etc. run SLOWER than stock either!
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Old 09-09-2010, 04:15 PM   #19
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Why do you say that the STS kit is far from perfect? Hurst is planning to sell 50 Limited Editions with the STS Kit. Jim and I have successfully installed the kit. I know there are a couple of other cars running around with the kit with no issues. So I'm curious as to your comment.
But are you still having issues? I mean not big ones but the other day you were having some issues...
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Old 09-09-2010, 04:51 PM   #20
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Thats all true.. HOWEVER I bet you never seen a Vortech, Maggie, etc. run SLOWER than stock either!
You are talking about the AACS car. Yes, it has some problems the time it ran. I am sure there have been at least one instance of a Maggie or Vortex running slower than a stock time at the 1/4. Its just that no one would be willing to post it.
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Old 09-09-2010, 04:58 PM   #21
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But are you still having issues? I mean not big ones but the other day you were having some issues...
Not issues with the STS main kit. Issues are mostly due to the meth kit that I installed, which is the first kit for STS on the V-6. So yeah, I expected some problems to occur as I am the "test" case for the meth. In fact, since the base kit was working fine, I decided to do more mods and yes, I am having issues with some of these mods. The numbers will be there, I'm rooting for RDditten as well (who is a reseller of the kit) and I know Jim will be running soon. I'm just worried that if their first run isn't as well as you are expecting then everyone will say the STS Turbo doesn't work. It does!
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You are talking about the AACS car. Yes, it has some problems the time it ran. I am sure there have been at least one instance of a Maggie or Vortex running slower than a stock time at the 1/4. Its just that no one would be willing to post it.
No trust me... some one would be willing to post...
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Old 09-09-2010, 05:07 PM   #23
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Not issues with the STS main kit. Issues are mostly due to the meth kit that I installed, which is the first kit for STS on the V-6. So yeah, I expected some problems to occur as I am the "test" case for the meth. In fact, since the base kit was working fine, I decided to do more mods and yes, I am having issues with some of these mods. The numbers will be there, I'm rooting for RDditten as well (who is a reseller of the kit) and I know Jim will be running soon. I'm just worried that if their first run isn't as well as you are expecting then everyone will say the STS Turbo doesn't work. It does!
I'm not worried about the first run if it doesn't run as well as expected as long as some one steps up to the plate and gives straight answers as to why... not some BS run-around....

As I mentioned Rich lives not to far away from me... going to to my absolute best to get out to the track when he's ready...

I know you believe the STS system works.... I would love for it to work! But for the one track outing it had, it didn't work and we never got a satisfactory answer why it didn't....
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Old 09-09-2010, 05:31 PM   #24
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HUH, didn't ROD register a 12.6 on a 100 shot of NOS?
Actually, I think it was a 12.4_. The thing I was trying to state is power output and putting the power to the pavement are 2 different things. If whoever puts this thing on their car leaves on stock tires and doesn't attempt to do anything to help the car plant they aren't going to do as well as they could. There are SS drivers that are having issues and running 14's. It's not the car's fault. The car is still putting out the power.

The AAC car had more issues than STS or AAC were willing to admit. I'm just glad a few have stepped up and gotten the kit regardless. I still want to know why they are having trouble stabilizing the boost. It's not like this is their first rodeo. It would've been nice to have STS put one on and prove their product rather than having customers do their R&D for them(or so it seems).

Z- I hope you get the meth-kit worked out. I'd like to see increased boost.
I've gone the cheap way. My NX kit is due at my door the 13th. Wish me luck.
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Old 09-09-2010, 05:44 PM   #25
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I'm not worried about the first run if it doesn't run as well as expected as long as some one steps up to the plate and gives straight answers as to why... not some BS run-around....

As I mentioned Rich lives not to far away from me... going to to my absolute best to get out to the track when he's ready...

I know you believe the STS system works.... I would love for it to work! But for the one track outing it had, it didn't work and we never got a satisfactory answer why it didn't....
Ok, I know we will see good numbers. I agree, the AACS run was a fail. I spoke to AACS and clearly, they are not tuners (but they make great lighting stuff). I'm just surprised that you don't think the kit works. It's like all those that say Trifecta can't tune the V-6.

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My point is 1/4 time are very indicative of performance but should not be the reason if a certain mod works or doesn't. I know there are FI V-8's that have run slower than NHRA's stock run of 12.58. Look at those MPH's at the trap for Riverbucks! Too many other variables.

By the way, I'll be posting up soon on some of the additional mods and changes. I personally want to acheive at least 400 rwhp. I just don't have access to a track to prove that my car works.
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Old 09-09-2010, 05:53 PM   #26
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Actually, I think it was a 12.4_. The thing I was trying to state is power output and putting the power to the pavement are 2 different things. If whoever puts this thing on their car leaves on stock tires and doesn't attempt to do anything to help the car plant they aren't going to do as well as they could. There are SS drivers that are having issues and running 14's. It's not the car's fault. The car is still putting out the power.

The AAC car had more issues than STS or AAC were willing to admit. I'm just glad a few have stepped up and gotten the kit regardless. I still want to know why they are having trouble stabilizing the boost. It's not like this is their first rodeo. It would've been nice to have STS put one on and prove their product rather than having customers do their R&D for them(or so it seems).

Z- I hope you get the meth-kit worked out. I'd like to see increased boost.
I've gone the cheap way. My NX kit is due at my door the 13th. Wish me luck.
I wish you luck with the N20. These cars are just so much more fund with the added HP. I know you will love it, just don't get addicted to upping the "shots". Vince is great to work with. FYI, the boost is stable, its just at 5 psi (or like 4.8). The tune made a huge difference.

My hope is that with more of us installing the STS kit it will then help to create proof that a market for FI exists for the V-6 which hopefully will lead to more product offerrings. Possibly better and more affordable as they start to up the ante. If I was a vendor seeing all these comments, I wouldn't be in a rush to develop anything either.
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I wish you luck with the N20. These cars are just so much more fund with the added HP. I know you will love it, just don't get addicted to upping the "shots". Vince is great to work with. FYI, the boost is stable, its just at 5 psi (or like 4.8). The tune made a huge difference.

My hope is that with more of us installing the STS kit it will then help to create proof that a market for FI exists for the V-6 which hopefully will lead to more product offerrings. Possibly better and more affordable as they start to up the ante. If I was a vendor seeing all these comments, I wouldn't be in a rush to develop anything either.
If you were a vendor you would atleast marketed your product and have atleast some vids of the car running. The fact is we need to see it in action and we need some real numbers
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Old 09-09-2010, 06:30 PM   #28
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If you were a vendor you would atleast marketed your product and have atleast some vids of the car running. The fact is we need to see it in action and we need some real numbers
I don't believe STS is a Vendor here.
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I think Z posted some vids if you want to see the Hawaiian streets.
I want to swear they used to drag race at one of the Air Force bases back when I was there in the 70's.
Damn that was a long time ago.

As far as STS marketing or not, take it up with them. They believe they have a good enough product to sell. They've done some nasty things over the years on vettes, gto's, 4th-gens, and our v8 5th gens. Let's hope they have it in them for this v6.
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Old 09-09-2010, 09:03 PM   #30
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I'm hoping to get that track info for the STS turbo in the near future. Be patient and if anyone needs a kit let me know, we are selling and installing.
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I think Z posted some vids if you want to see the Hawaiian streets.
I want to swear they used to drag race at one of the Air Force bases back when I was there in the 70's.
Damn that was a long time ago.

As far as STS marketing or not, take it up with them. They believe they have a good enough product to sell. They've done some nasty things over the years on vettes, gto's, 4th-gens, and our v8 5th gens. Let's hope they have it in them for this v6.
We had a track up until a few years ago, Hawaii Raceway Park, which was at Cambell Industrial Park. That has since closed. They just opened Kalaeloa Raceway Park which is on the old Barbers Point Navel Station. Problem is very limited asphalt. They are planning to run sand drags, dirt ovals, and rallycross. I plan to participate in the first rallycross on September 25 (not with my 2010, of course). Currently, the only other legal option we have is Autocross which we have at the Aloha Stadium parking lot (which I also do but not with my 2010). My only other option is to ship the car to one of the neighbor islands, like Maui or Hawaii. But that cost some dough as you have to ship it over and back. I'm going to have to play with the VBOX on some deserted flat roads which are hard to find on this island.
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I'm hoping to get that track info for the STS turbo in the near future. Be patient and if anyone needs a kit let me know, we are selling and installing.
I hope you get it soon Rich. Let me know once your install is complete. I am pushing this a bit further to try an up the boost. I'll keep you posted. Sorry I missed you when you were on Oahu.
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Will let you know as soon as I can Z. I am moving as fast as I can. My schedule is really full.
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Will let you know as soon as I can Z. I am moving as fast as I can. My schedule is really full.
shouldn't you be at work? LOL!

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