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Old 09-14-2007, 10:43 PM   #18
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I think I'm going to try and pick up an LS3 powered one slightly used, with only 5k or so miles on it.
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Old 09-14-2007, 11:39 PM   #19
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it doesn't make sense to make just 1 v8. That is so stupid, there should be a lower end v8 and a high end v8. I think they are bluffing. There has to be a 2nd v8 model or at least come out with a supercharged model or something.
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...mmmm, I don't know. It definitely makes a lot of sense to have only one V8. I still think there will be two, but it's financially smart to offer only 1...reduce costs of producing more than one V8 in smaller numbers, than the cheaper method of having 1 large-scale V8...


this is an old post...but still, who better to know, than the almighty Fbodfather?

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BUT....one of the arguments I hear is to have a midrange V8 for lower insurance costs......AIN'T gonna happen (lower insurance rates, that is.........) Furthermore....300hp......or more in a midrange V8...guaranteed higher insurance rates......

I'm confident you'll see three engines....but for reasons other than written here.

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...there very well could be a midrange V8...but a midrange V8 in the 300 plus horsepower range is NOT gonna get you cheaper insurance rates........don't believe me? Go do some insurance quotes out there............
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:42 AM   #21
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...mmmm, I don't know. It definitely makes a lot of sense to have only one V8. I still think there will be two, but it's financially smart to offer only 1...reduce costs of producing more than one V8 in smaller numbers, than the cheaper method of having 1 large-scale V8...


this is an old post...but still, who better to know, than the almighty Fbodfather?



Which of cousre, he follows up in typical Fbodfather fashion with this...



what do you do with your life....? lol just messin thanks for postin that up from the fbodfather.
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it's 2Am on a Saturday...I do nothing. I do not sleep...much.

I could always not post these things...
Trust me, once school starts picking up, and my new job starts, you'll be seeing much less of me...
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it's 2Am on a Saturday...I do nothing. I do not sleep...much.

I could always not post these things...
Trust me, once school starts picking up, and my new job starts, you'll be seeing much less of me...
so you are saying I need to send you some more stuff to p/s before that time?
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Old 09-15-2007, 02:19 AM   #24
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Here's my $0.02...Having a midrange V-8 would most likely only benefit in the means of gas mileage. The insurance between a 370ish hp V-8 and a 430ish hp V-8 would not differ very much at all. Like Drangon said, it would be cheaper to just have one V-8 with a decent amount of power rather than two. Just think about it, you have your economy V-6 for those who could care less about the performance of the car. You have the HiPo V-6 for those who want good performance and cheaper insurance/better fuel economy and then the 4XXhp V-8 for the for people who want a BADA$$ ride and don't mind the extra expenses that come with owning a muscle car.
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Old 09-15-2007, 04:06 AM   #25
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I thought another source on this site said there would not be three engines? Maybe two, maybe four, but not three....I don't know.

Either way I don't have any problem with only one V8, I kind of like the idea actually. If there is a HIPO V6 putting out 300-320hp then that is just fine with me. We already know GM makes such an engine.
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Old 09-15-2007, 06:39 AM   #26
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well ... "not official GM words" ... I personally hardly believe the guy said something that wasn't into GM official communication plan ...
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Old 09-15-2007, 07:53 AM   #27
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2 different V6's ? I don't remember the last time we could choose from kinda slow....to real slow,the early 3rd gens with 4 cyl,optional V6 etc..that doesn't sound right,1 Base V6 and then 2 kinds of V8 was the general plan..more motor options means bigger prices..my 2 cents
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:37 PM   #28
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Ok I guess having 2 v8s would not be a financially smart way to go, but at least offer a supercharged version... something to compete with the gt500. The way I think of it the v8s shouldn't be as bad with gas because based on what I've read it has the engine management system which allows you to shutdown 4 pistons. I'm not entirely sure if you can shut it down with a press of a button but hey thats awesome if that is ever possible. I'm just really looking for something with more horses.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:52 PM   #29
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You can't "choose" when to shut down four of the eight cyllinders, unfortunately.

I have absolutely NO reservations that there will be a GT500 fighter, but I think it'll be a limited production, special edition version...
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Old 09-15-2007, 02:07 PM   #30
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Old 09-15-2007, 05:38 PM   #31
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Either way I don't have any problem with only one V8, I kind of like the idea actually. If there is a HIPO V6 putting out 300-320hp then that is just fine with me. We already know GM makes such an engine.
I agree. 1 V8 is fine. It's not like it's never been done, the 4th gens originally had just the base V6 and the V8 Z28 when they debuted.

The idea of 2 V6's is also fine. Years ago it wouldn't have sounded quite right, but with the popularity of powerful little 4cylinder cars, I think a 300ish hp V6 as an option is a good idea to appeal to the younger crowd. (No, I'm not saying all 'younglings' have no money, but most do not. I certainly know I had no great amount of money until I was in my upper 20's.)

So upon release what are we expecting? 250-V6, 300-V6 and a 400-V8? (All those #'s are just for an approximation.)

I also wonder why so many are hellbent there MUST be a 2nd V8 to compete with the Mustang GT500. Or at least, they talk as if this uber-Camaro would be a 'mainstream' model. GT500 is a limited production car, not mainstream. So the lack of a 2nd V8 in the Camaro, imo, is just for the cars for the masses. I'm sure there will be a limited production car to compete with the GT500, but I personally don't consider 'limited production' a part of a vehicle's 'regular' lineup.

So I believe the 2 V6's and 1 V8 will be for the everyday Camaro models that we will see most. They're probably keeping details about any GT500 competitor under tight wraps, or waiting to see how the mainstream Camaro's sell.

And I've said it before, and will again. Z28 should NOT be a limited production name. It should be mainstream. Let Z28 be the top regular production model and assign something entirely different to the limited model.
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The idea of 2 V6's is also fine. Years ago it wouldn't have sounded quite right, but with the popularity of powerful little 4cylinder cars, I think a 300ish hp V6 as an option is a good idea to appeal to the younger crowd. (No, I'm not saying all 'younglings' have no money, but most do not. I certainly know I had no great amount of money until I was in my upper 20's.) Exactly what GM is thinking, I'd gamble.

So upon release what are we expecting? 250-V6, 300-V6 and a 400-V8? (All those #'s are just for an approximation.)That's what I expect, no less(except for the base V6 - maybe closer to 230hp). But then who am I?

I also wonder why so many are hellbent there MUST be a 2nd V8 to compete with the Mustang GT500. Because there just has to be. It'd be an unanswered challenge. Or at least, they talk as if this uber-Camaro would be a 'mainstream' model. I don't understand that either. WTF? GT500 is a limited production car, not mainstream. So the lack of a 2nd V8 in the Camaro, imo, is just for the cars for the masses. I'm sure there will be a limited production car to compete with the GT500, but I personally don't consider 'limited production' a part of a vehicle's 'regular' lineup.Nicely said

So I believe the 2 V6's and 1 V8 will be for the everyday Camaro models that we will see most. They're probably keeping details about any GT500 competitor under tight wraps, or waiting to see how the mainstream Camaro's sell. Scott has said that right now, all they're working on is the normal Camaros, special editions will come later.

And I've said it before, and will again. Z28 should NOT be a limited production name. It should be mainstream. Let Z28 be the top regular production model and assign something entirely different to the limited model.Like SS? j/k But beautiful paragraph! (<== those are happy tears, btw...)
I apologise for my perhaps un-wanted commentary, but everything in the above quote is completely valid regarding the 5th gen Camaro's essence, and I had to add my own 0.02.

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Like SS? j/k But beautiful paragraph! (<== those are happy tears, btw...)


I apologise for my perhaps un-wanted commentary, but everything in the above quote is completely valid regarding the 5th gen Camaro's essence, and I had to add my own 0.02.

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I'm find with 'SS' being the limited production Camaro, but Z28 should be the 'Top Dawg' Mainstream production Camaro.

Though I WOULD prefer to see ZL1 or something more unique than the all-to-common 'SS' on the limited model. Even something entirely new would be nice. Pay homage to the poor departed Firebird by calling it the Camaro Phoenix or something. LOL

I used to (years ago) have a great idea (well, I thought it was) for the Camaro's 'mascot' to be a dragon. I mean, the Mustang had it's horsie, the Firebird had it's Phoenix (I HATE hearing 'Screaming Chicken'). Since Firebird had a mythological creature, I felt the dragon was the only fitting 'being' worth of the name Camaro.

I even had this commercial thought up. heh It showed a horse (Mustang) running across a vast field. Every few seconds something metallic would flash across the screen. On the final 'flash' of metallic scales (you can now tell it's scales in this flash) the screen goes blank and you hear the horse screaming (nothing too horrible, it has to be on tv ya know lol) and some slight sounds of what could be a scuffle. (Hey dragons get hungry and eat mustangs occasionally. hehe)

One more 'flash' and the dragon is 'frozen' in place with the word CAMARO emblazoned in front of it (sideview of the dragon in flight). A highly sylized dragon image integrated with the word Camaro was the symbol I envisioned.

Or some such thing. It was just me with a crazy idea way back when. LOL

Oh, and I'm glad at least SOMEONE agrees with me.
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I'll make my own special edition. Buy one cheap(er) and used, then get to work stiffening up the chassis. Better braking system, all new suspension, massage the engine. Start trimming for weight etc...
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