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Mustang beats the Camaro 23 14.74%
Camaro beats the Mustang 77 49.36%
Mustang is Faster than the CTS-V Track Record 1 0.64%
Camaro is Faster than the CTS-V Track Record 8 5.13%
Camaro is Faster than the Viper 4 2.56%
Mustang is Faster than the Viper 0 0%
Camaro and Mustang out perform the C6 Z06 5 3.21%
Both Cars are Faster than the CTS-V Track Record 16 10.26%
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Old 09-14-2010, 08:10 PM   #76
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I just read a post from a participant at LSfest. They did have the best 2010 Camaro time. We congratulate them for that. They note they finished behind two Pro Touring cars. Allow me to point out that the Pedders Camaro has been documented to not only outperform Pro Touring cars, but out performs RACE CARS and we do it on street tires.
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Brian Finch wins everything he enters though.

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Brian Finch is doing a STELLAR JOB on the Pro Touring Circuit.



At Gingerman for the Motor State Challenge, he finished second on the Road Course to Mark Stielow who is a terrific builder and driver. On the same course under virtually identical conditions the Pedders Camaro which runs on all stock arms without a single chassis brace and weighs in track-side ready to go at 4,180 pounds was 2 seconds faster than Mark and 2.5 seconds faster than Brian. We run the track with the EXACT SAME SETUP I use to take my kids to school.

We do events like this so that the data we present is not offered up in a vacuum. You can see what race cars do at the same track. You can see what the Pro Touring cars do at the same track. Then you can see where Pedders fits in the mix.

Mark and Brian do this because they love it. Pedders does it because we love it, but also because this is our business. We will NOT compete against Brian or Mark or any of the other Pro Touring competitors. They deserve all the focus and recognition they get at every event. We will post the data for comparison to use as a ruler against our own performance because they make a VERY GOOD RULER. They are excellent drivers and build great cars.
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We just got confirmation that the article will run in the December issue of Hot Rod magazine. The issue will be available on news stands October 19, 2010. We also just posted the Mustang hot laps with data on YouTube.



I'll get a more descriptive and detailed post up tomorrow with the............................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...... lap times and winner.
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We just got confirmation that the article will run in the December issue of Hot Rod magazine. The issue will be available on news stands October 19, 2010. We also just posted the Mustang hot laps with data on YouTube.



I'll get a more descriptive and detailed post up tomorrow with the............................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...... lap times and winner.

Yep.........that's how I remember it.
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This has taken longer than anticipated, but we finally held our Supercar Shootout August 11, 2010 at Gingerman Raceway. The weather was not the best. We drove to the track in style but in heavy rain. Pedders Camaro Supercar, Pedders Saleen Supercar, Pedders G8 Supercar, Pedders GTO Supercar, the Pedders HHR SS and a cargo van. Almost as soon as we pulled into the track gate the rain subsided.

We pulled under the canopies and began to setup our equipment. First up was the generator to power up the fans to cool the cars between runs. Then the data logging equipment and cameras. While food, drinks and swag were setup in the meeting rooms we sent out a fleet of cars to start drying the track.



The last track day we held was a cool fall day. We had no issues with
heat soak and the engine computer pulling timing out based on high IATs.
Working with ProCharger we have a new intake that is more free flowing
and a ridiculous new inter-cooler with an integrated MAF mount.
This is a far more efficient setup. Because the ProCharger pulls air from the
engine compartment and not a factory style air box we did some intense
thermal management. The headers have been wrapped along with the
heater hoses that run across the plenum and the charge tube coming
out of the intercooler. We removed the factory sound insulation from the
plenum to allow it to breath. None of these are really meant to increase
RWHP, just to maintain the RWHP we see on the dyno and on cooler days.

The other major change we made to the Camaro was to install 2010 Cadillac
CTS-V brakes. Rumor has it that these are the same brakes that the new Z
28 Camaro will use. Wink, nod, wink. The brake bias is dead nuts perfect.
The CTS-V OE brake pads are a GREAT set of combination street and
track pad, but for our extreme track use we have had to do some pad
development. We worked with Cobalt Friction and will be running CF XR1
front and XR3 rear Carbon ceramic pads for the event. The brakes are a
substantial upgrade over the SS brakes with similar pads.

The third major change to the Camaro are the 52mm Remote Reservoir
Independent Bound and Rebound Supercar Coilovers. We have the car
so dialed in it is off the charts. It is close to OE smooth on the street and
thisclosetoa race car on the track.



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2010 Cadillac CTS-V Brakes Front and Rear
558 RWHP 499 RWTQ
ACS Hood and Front Spoiler
American Racing Headers
Brigestone RE-11 305/30/19 Tires Front and Rear
Cobalt Friction Carbon Ceramic Track ONLY Brake Pads
Fluidyne 2.5 Quart Oil Cooler
Forgeline Racing Wheels 19x10.5 Front and Rear with Special
Offsets to Square the Track
Insulated Cold Air Intake
Nickey Chicago Stinger II Hood
Pedders Adjustable Sway Bars with Adjustable Endlinks
(CAMAROSOLUTIONC)
Pedders Control Arm Bushes (EP7264, EP7322)
Pedders Steering Rack/Pinion Mount (EP2112)
Pedders Rear Trailing Arm Toe Link (EP7323)
Pedders Front Radius Rod Bushing (EP6577)
Pedders Complete Brake Hose Kit (PDUSACAM2800)
Pedders Full Alignment Kit (PDUSACAMFULL)
Pedders Paint Scheme
Pedders Heavy Duty Sub-Frame Bushes (EP1201HD)
Pedders Heavy Duty Rear Differential Mounts (EP1167HD)
Pedders Supercar Coilovers (164086)
ProCharger with Stage II Race Intercooler and Intake
QTP Exhuast Cut Outs
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449 RWHP 419 RWTQ
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Saleen SR Racing Wheels by Forgeline 19x10.5 Front and Rear with Special Offsets to Square the Track
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John Buttermore began his racing career at the age of 16 when he attended Skip Barber Racing School with his father at Road America where having hardly ever driven a stick shift car before instantly adapted and was the fastest driver in the school. Exactly 10 years later he returned to that same track in the CTS-V and broke the track record.

John’s racing career began with SCCA regional and PCA events driving a 1983 Porsche 944 in the ITS class. John began running full seasons at Waterford Hills Raceway in suburban Detroit during his summers home from college from 1999-2002. In that time he racked up numerous wins and poles on the local circuit.

In 2004 he joined the SCCA National circuit with the brand new Cadillac CTS-V in the Touring 2 class. 2005-6 Results are available on the Results Page.

In 2007 John drove both the CTS-V and the Corvette C6 throughout the season. John had a banner 2007 season winning 6 National events and finishing 2nd at the National Championships in T1 and 6th in T2. During this season John also took 3 new track records along the way, including one that was set in his first time in the C6 after starting last without qualifying!!!

The 2008 season brought great success as well where John won every national entered, won the divisional championship, and won the June Sprints by nearly 30 seconds. The 2008 Runoffs dealt John a lot of car problems, but with a great effort by the whole team John was poised to take the 2008 National Championship when the race was ended early under caution with John in the process of making a pass for the lead.

John is a vehicle dynamics engineer by professional and lives in Pontiac, MI. He holds a bachelors of Engineering from Cornell University, where he was also a member of the Varsity Football team, and a member of Delta Upsilon fraternity. Other interests include weightlifting, and recently completed his Masters degree from Purdue University.

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Becuase the media people from Hot Rod and Mustang Enthusiast worked so hard and so long on this event we cannot tell you who won. We can tell you the cars ran all day. John drove them harder than he should have. There are no roll cages or any other safety equipment normally found in a race car. Cages and triangulation change the harmonics of the car making it next to impossible to optimise the suspension for use in a car without a cage. (We did design and build for retail sale three different chassis braces for the Mustang.) I will post more pictures and video, but not the results. Until the magazines go to print we are going to let you choose the winner by poll.

Updated 8.17.2010

There are big differences in the two cars that go well beyond the Mustang have a fixed rear axle. The Mustang also has a floating rear caliper mounted in rubber that is more at home in a 1968 Mustang than a 2010 Mustang. The front sub-frame on the Mustang does not extend as far forward and mounts with two less bolts. From the factory the Mustang has two chassis braces that are important to the function of the vehicle.

On a Camaro we would start to improve stability through the lowest hanging fruit -- Pedders EP1200 sub-frame inserts. On the Mustang, it is the FIRST car we ever specified a triangulated chassis brace as the single most important foundational upgrade.

The mustang front sub-frame ends at the leading edge of the front wheel axles in the hubs. The front sway bar ends connect to the front struts. The main length of the bar connects to formed sheet metal well forward of the sub-frame with D bushes and metal straps. We designed a light weight chassis brace to more directly tie the sub-frame to the formed sheet metal where the D bushes bolt.



The immediate result is that the function of the OE bar is improved. You will notice the difference the first time you turn the front wheels and over the first bump. There are a lot of companies that make suspension parts for the Mustang. It is a crowded market. To my knowledge, this is the only triangulated front chassis brace. We look at things differently than other. We think the OEM guys are smart. They know what they are doing. They work under different budget constraints than a company like Pedders.

We do not look at the cost of a part first. We look for foundational weaknesses in the chassis. We ask why the OEM engineers did it this way. We rely on 60 years of experiences to guide us. Then we ask the magic question, why not do this. We build a prototype part and test it on the car. If it works, we assemble a detailed build of materials. Then we create the retail price. If the part is important enough in terms of function, people will buy it because it offers value. If our part is half as much or twice as much as brand x we don't care as long as the function justifies the price.

The equivalent part on the Camaro would be the EP1200 sub-frame bush inserts. You can add RWHP, you can add coilovers, you can add wheels and tires, but until you have at least sub-frame inserts you can't have a GREAT Camaro. If you want more than inserts we have the EP1201 and EP1201HD bushes. They makes the Camaro IRS function as designed -- STABLE.



Why didn't the OE engineers do this. Why didn't they know how important this was to the function so a great IRS? They did know. They had to meet a cabin noise level requirement that is a national standard to be certified as a library Most people equate quiet with quality. Our inserts add so little cabin noise you cannot tell it is there. If you used GM's audio testing equipment it would document the difference. Pedders is not restricted by that benchmark requirement so we are free to offer three levels of sub-frame bush solutions giving the Camaro owner complete control over how to setup their Camaro.

If we had an unlimited amount of resources and time I am sure we could squeeze another 1.5 to 2.5 seconds out of the cars. We would do this with improved engine cooling, front and rear brake ducts, upgrade the engine internals to increase TQ and HP and finally a couple of weeks at the track adjusting and tweaking in tiny increments looking for gains in a corner entry as small as .025 seconds. The end result would be cars that are incrementally faster and priced another $15,000 higher.

Our test day was typical for Pedders. It rained morning after morning washing all the rubber out of the track so we had virgin asphalt. One of these days we'll get a nice season track full of race rubber. When car run a track the tires wear leaving behind a 'filler'. The race rubber fills the spaces between the stones that form the track surface. A seasoned track is not slick. It is sticky and fast. I would complain of a black cloud and rain following me, but we had the shy pouring down rain when we arrived and 90 minutes later we had a dry track. How can I complain?

Our weather always seems to be so cold we are shaking or so hot we are melting. It was hot. It was humid. We know our TQ and HP were down. The cars are faster than they tested. They are only as fast as they tested on 8.11.2010 because that is what the data logging shows. We do know both car improved from our last test session even though they were making less HP and TQ dues to the exceptionally hot and humid weather so the chassis tweaks we made were spot on.

This is a very long answer to your very good question. Both cars are AWESOME. Off the showroom floor, I'll pick the Camaro over the Mustang. My partner Ron Pedder from AU drove the Mustang bone stock. He LOVED the look. He loved the interior. His evaluation was to the point -- They have that great 1968 look updated. The look is spot on. They got the drive all wrong. I feel like I am driving a 1968 Mustang. We knew we had a long way t go to get new Mustang to perform like our Camaro Supercar. In the end, that is exactly what we were able to accomplish. Cale Yarborough could have dominated NASCAR with the 2010 Saleen in 1968 You can see from the chart we have used a wide range of cars for our track time comparisons -- Thank you John O'Donnell for pulling that data together --- and the Mustang is going to slot very well.

The Pro Touring cars are fast. They are GREAT CARS!!! The suspension on most if either custom built or tubular component up grades. Some are built bu suspension companies. Most are built by guys that LOVE cars and motorsports. Some have put their life and life savings into them. They are fully functioning works of automotive art created by people who have a deep passion driving them. A number of these enthusiasts were at Gingerman for the Motor State Pro Touring Challenge.

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The driving, the cars and the feel of the event are everything an enthusiast could as for. They ran very very well. The Mustang and Camaro are faster around Gingerman than any of them and my best educated guess is both the Mustang and Camaro are heavier than any of the Pro Touring cars.

When we do publish the winner it will do little to settle the Mustang Camaro debate. Going into this project I was not all that confident I could get the Ford to be street civil and track animal. With a GREAT TEAM EFFORT we did exactly that. If the 60s and 70s formed the Golden Age of American Muscle then we are in the Platinum age right now. AMERICA MUSCLE has never had it this good!When I walk into my garage I have a hard time deciding which car to drive. Most of the time it will be based on which one is spotless. That is another poll. When you have two nice cars, do you take the one that is freshly detailed and spotless or the one that is just a little dirty?

One last thought. If you own a 5th Gen Camaro you own a GREAT CAR and so do the people that bought a Mustang over at the Blue Oval. If the Camaro is Pedderised or the Mustang has the new Saleen Suspension you own a SUPERCAR and we have the track data to prove it.

Here is an update on the Theoretical Lap Times for both the Mustang and Camaro. We use our data logging software to cut and paste the best parts of every lap we ran for each car. This does two things. First, it is a measure of driver consistency. The closer the drivers Best Lap to the Theoretical Lap the more consistent the driver is. To be withing a second is good, under a second is better and under a half a second is beyond good. Second, this is a measure of the car and particularly the suspension. To be able to be consistent the car must be consistent. All a driver can ask of a car is to be stable and predictable. If the car delivers stability and predictability the driver knows what to do on every inch of the track. A really good car paired with a really good driver will deliver consistently good results. One is a measure of the other.

In the Camaro John was 3/10ths of a second slower in his Actual Lap Time compared to the Theoretical Best Lap Time.
In the Mustang John was 3/100ths of a second off in his Actual Lap Time compared to the Theoretical Best Lap Time.

This is another way of saying the same thing. Our DRIVER and our CARS were almost PERFECT.

John and the Mustang WERE perfect to be 3/100ths of a second apart in Actual vs. Theoretical Lap Times.









The data from the data logging equipment was fascinating.

Camaro Actual 1:33.62 Theoretical 1:33.10
Saleen Actual 1.33.89 Theoretical 1.33.87


Camaro and Saleen COMBINED THEORETICAL 1.32.78

Top Speed Camaro 110.26 Top Speed Saleen 112.74

Maximum Lateral G Camaro 1.4053 Saleen 1.2633

Maximum Power Output kW Camaro 219.13 Saleen 224.03

Maximum Toque Output Nm Camaro 794.23 Saleen 820.79

Braking Gs Camaro -1.2019 Saleen -1.2869

What we learned from the Supercar Shootout

Power: The Saleen makes better power in the heat than the LS3 Camaro. On the dyno the Mustang looked like a weak little sister. On the track the Mustang kicked sand in the face of the LS3. The results would be very different on a cooler day as the Camaro would run closer to the dyno RWHP.

Brakes: The Saleen six piston 15" front brakes equipped with Cobalt Friction XR1 pads front and XR2 pads rear were absolutely AWESOME. The harder we ran the better they performed. This is in stark contrast to the OE brakes on the GT. We'll take the Camaro SS front and rear Brembos all day long. The CTS-V brakes suffered from our pad selection. I choose Cobalt Friction XR1 pads front and XR3 pads rear. The XR3 compound was too mild creating brake bias issues and hurting the performance of the CTS-V brakes. With XR2 compound pads in the rear we believe the brakes would have been a dead heat with both in the EXCELLENT range.

IRS vs. Live Axle: This is a no brainer, no contest Camaro smack down. Even though the Mustang out braked and out accelerated the Camaro the Camaro beat the Mustang around Gingerman. We did everything we could to balance the Mustang with the three arms rear axle and limited suspension travel. We did achieve a ridiculous level of front to rear and cross weight balance. There was a price to be paid. The ride height setup limited the Saleen’s ability to put down power coming out of the corners. The next time out we will run with SOFTER rear coils that are taller leaving more room for the solid axle to work. That will improve the times on the Saleen.

Tires: We knew the Bridgestone RE-11s were good, yet they always surprise us with the amount of stick, grip and feel. Both the Saleen and the Camaro were equipped with Bridgestone RE-11 305/30/19 front and rear running on custom offset Frogeline ultra light weight racing wheels. They are incredibly consistent and we feel the best combination track street tire available in the market.

Summary: The Camaro won this event. 3/10s of a second on a 1.88 mile course is close. Over twenty laps it would add up to a substantial victory. That would have been the case on this test day IF the cars remained consistent. Every time we test or run on track we win because we learn. The setup on the Mustang will be different and faster. How am I certain, because we are already running it. The Camaro will have the brakes sorted and be faster as well. That means we plan to pass the Ford GT and the average time of the TOP TEN T1 cars that run at Gingerman in STREET CARS with STREET TIRES.

Other companies tell you they have this race car or that test car and run them in a data vacuum. Pedders puts it all out in public for the benefit of the Camaro5 community. We show you step by step how to install CTS-V brakes, walk you through thermal management and event provide detail on exactly how are cars have been setup. We are an open book. We also just happen to have the BEST HANDLING AMERICAN MUSCLE CAR SUSPENSIONS ON THE STREET OR TRACK and the RIDE QUALITY IS AT LEAST AS GOOD AS THE SPECTACULAR LAP TIMES!
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The article is in the current issue of HOT ROD magazine... just got the newest one last night with the article.

although there is more details and better pictures here...
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although there is more details and better pictures here...
Hot Rod? I gotta' find that one Is it December then?

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Thanks for sharing the lap times table, it holds a lot of information for me.
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The article was published in the Decmber Hot Rod and is now available on the Pedders USA website at this link in PDF form. http://www.peddersusa.com/news/1/article21 Enjoy!
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The article was published in the Decmber Hot Rod and is now available on the Pedders USA website at this link in PDF form. http://www.peddersusa.com/news/1/article21 Enjoy!
Good article....they seemed to be down, a little negative on the camaro...oh well.......lots of "the company says" or according to the "company"

pretty cool though...
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Old 12-22-2010, 01:20 PM   #89
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Good article....they seemed to be down, a little negative on the camaro...oh well.......lots of "the company says" or according to the "company"

pretty cool though...
They were in good company.
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Old 03-10-2011, 09:24 PM   #90
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so it doesn't look that bad on 19s wth im going with in 19 in rims but with bigger tires
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Pedders has partnered with Richard Petty's Garage to build a Dodge Challenger track animal. This is where we start.



It will be an interesting build for a number of reasons.

1. The Challenger is the biggest and heaviest in the group.
2. Arrington is providing a built HEMI so it will have the grunt required to move the mass.
3. Controlling the mass, stopping and turning is the biggest challenge

The LX has so many rubber bushes, it is so complex, it responds well to our bushes. Unlike the Camaro and the Mustang, the Challenger has upper front wishbone style control arms. That front end stability is where we hope to find some lap time magic.

The TEAM at Petty's Garage has the car close to complete. Forgeline is working thier usual magic and we'll be test fitting a 19x10.5 wheel with Bridgestone RE-11 rubber all around. With Petty, Arrington, Forgeline and Bridgestone on our TEAM we should have the Challenger running with the Camaro and Mustang. Now you know what keeps me awake at night...
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Pedders has partnered with Richard Petty's Garage to build a Dodge Challenger track animal. This is where we start.



It will be an interesting build for a number of reasons.

1. The Challenger is the biggest and heaviest in the group.
2. Arrington is providing a built HEMI so it will have the grunt required to move the mass.
3. Controlling the mass, stopping and turning is the biggest challenge

The LX has so many rubber bushes, it is so complex, it responds well to our bushes. Unlike the Camaro and the Mustang, the Challenger has upper front wishbone style control arms. That front end stability is where we hope to find some lap time magic.

The TEAM at Petty's Garage has the car close to complete. Forgeline is working thier usual magic and we'll be test fitting a 19x10.5 wheel with Bridgestone RE-11 rubber all around. With Petty, Arrington, Forgeline and Bridgestone on our TEAM we should have the Challenger running with the Camaro and Mustang. Now you know what keeps me awake at night...

GOOD LUCK

Hopefully you guys can make that pig an actual modern muscle car.....
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GOOD LUCK

Hopefully you guys can make that pig an actual modern muscle car.....
It is big. It is powerful. Supension, wheels, tires, corner weighting, alignment braces, brakes, smooth driver... it will be interesting.
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I am almost hearing "Mission Impossible" music........do you accept this challenge?.......Pedders says....."YES"
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Where's the build thread of the peddlers camaro? Why did I ask? It's just my favorite camaro up til now that's why!!
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Where's the build thread of the peddlers camaro? Why did I ask? It's just my favorite camaro up til now that's why!!
It started out as a series of posts, but should have been a build thread. We rolled the build into The BOOK. Maybe I should take the time to create the build portion as a stand alone. I do have a massive 998 picture gallery on FB.

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Cant believe its been 3 years already since this was written...feels like a few months ago...time flies in a camaro!
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Sweet Track set up us sweet, I might not be able to be up to the hp numbers but I'm excited to gt all these suspension and wheel tire set up on my ride.
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