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Old 10-03-2010, 12:37 PM   #18
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Ford is coming on strong with various Mustang models Like the GT500, GT350,
the Boss, GT, GT Calif., and the Mustang 6 bager.

Wake up Chevy, you need more models on the show room floor now not next year. The obvious Z-28, a dressed up BMW style Camaro that could be brought on line now. How about various engines offered. How about a base line Camaro with no frills too.
Funny, that's what people said a few months ago...
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Old 10-03-2010, 02:15 PM   #19
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Ford is coming on strong with various Mustang models Like the GT500, GT350,
the Boss, GT, GT Calif., and the Mustang 6 bager.

Wake up Chevy, you need more models on the show room floor now not next year. The obvious Z-28, a dressed up BMW style Camaro that could be brought on line now. How about various engines offered. How about a base line Camaro with no frills too.
What FenwickHockey said. The new Mustang has not gained on the Camaro at all. It is my belief that Ford went too big on the price point. Think about it, ford is throwing incentives at the Mustang and Chevy is not and it STILL outsold the Mustang.

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Old 10-03-2010, 03:24 PM   #20
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Old 10-03-2010, 04:38 PM   #21
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Old 10-03-2010, 05:03 PM   #22
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Nice graphs, I hope everybody and there brother either buys a Mustang or a Camaro, I like seeing a rare Challenger. When I used to show my Mustang, there would be at least 10 Mustangs in the show, now its the same, but now you see 10 Camaro's and at least 10 Stangs.

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Old 10-03-2010, 05:12 PM   #23
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$1,500 incentive on 2010 new camaros, just traded up from a 2011 1lt rs to a 2010 1ss and got the $1,500 VOUCHER for camaro stuff. so i figure in for two camaros one in July and one for September
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Old 10-03-2010, 05:14 PM   #24
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just seen a new 2010 challenger rt with leather for under $30,000
this might be why they are selling a little better
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Old 10-03-2010, 06:00 PM   #25
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$1,500 incentive on 2010 new camaros, just traded up from a 2011 1lt rs to a 2010 1ss and got the $1,500 VOUCHER for camaro stuff. so i figure in for two camaros one in July and one for September
Does that mean that the lame dealers who still have 2010 Camaros want to add $2000 in ADM, then give you the $1500 incentive? The onbly reason any dealers have 2010 Camaros is they were greedy and wouldn't get off of them and now GM has got to give them $1500 so they will order 2011s.
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Old 10-03-2010, 06:05 PM   #26
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I am just wondering if Ford has killed the goose that laid the golden egg by moving the Mustang upmarket and having GT's that can be optioned up to 39K?
Mustangs were always a less expensive option to the Camaro.

What is interesting is how the Challenger sales are moving up. Man that car is huge and drives like patio furniture. The 2011s are supposedly a big step up, but that is one large vehicle.

The Camaro is so much better looking than the Mustang as to be ridiculous, i think it's poor visibility is losing it sales.
Seems like that is something that some people commonly state however whenever I research I find this not to be true. The MSRP of the Camaro and Mustang at least from the 1990s until the Camaro was killed off has generally been within $200-$400 of eachother with sometimes the Mustang being cheaper and other times the Camaro being cheaper.

Its possible that during this period of time Ford offered heavy incentives on the Mustang to help it sell better. However the Mustang being cheaper seems to be a complete myth.

As far as the 2011 Mustang being one large vehicle its the same exact size as the 2010 model year.
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Old 10-03-2010, 08:30 PM   #27
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Funny, that's what people said a few months ago...
I agree, GM doesn't need to throw it all on the table just yet.
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Old 10-03-2010, 08:46 PM   #28
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Seems like that is something that some people commonly state however whenever I research I find this not to be true. The MSRP of the Camaro and Mustang at least from the 1990s until the Camaro was killed off has generally been within $200-$400 of eachother with sometimes the Mustang being cheaper and other times the Camaro being cheaper.

Its possible that during this period of time Ford offered heavy incentives on the Mustang to help it sell better. However the Mustang being cheaper seems to be a complete myth.

As far as the 2011 Mustang being one large vehicle its the same exact size as the 2010 model year.
Re: Pricing

I bought 5 Camaros in the '80s so I am going off what was my experience.
'83 Z28 Camaro = $10,750 + $505 for 5.0L H.O. option
'83 Mustang GT 5.0= $9,445.

An almost $2K difference.

My '84 H.O. Z28 was over $13K with no ttops, auto trans, power seats, etc.
My '87 IROC was OVER $16K with no ttops, auto,cruise, tilt, power windows/seats,etc.etc.

ford also stuck with 4 cylinder availabilty much longer than Camaro did, making the entry level models even cheaper.

The "one large vehicle" comment was directed toward the Chally not the Mustang.
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Old 10-03-2010, 09:31 PM   #29
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I bought 5 Camaros in the '80s so I am going off what was my experience.
'83 Z28 Camaro = $10,750 + $505 for 5.0L H.O. option
'83 Mustang GT 5.0= $9,445.

An almost $2K difference.

My '84 H.O. Z28 was over $13K with no ttops, auto trans, power seats, etc.
My '87 IROC was OVER $16K with no ttops, auto,cruise, tilt, power windows/seats,etc.etc.

ford also stuck with 4 cylinder availabilty much longer than Camaro did, making the entry level models even cheaper.

The "one large vehicle" comment was directed toward the Chally not the Mustang.
I see what you were talking about, however I was talking about the 1990s and above. I have not looked at the price difference of the 80s models, and I somewhat do not see how something that took place some 30 years ago applies to todays market.

For the 1990s the price between the Mustang and Camaro have been pretty much in line with eachother as far as MSRP goes. For example the 1995 Ford Mustang had a price range of $14,530-$25,605 while the 1995 Chevy Camaro had a price range of $14,495-$23,195.
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doc700, I understand your point, but if you look at the last 1.5 years and go model by model instead of using a top of the range only, you will see that comparing a 2010 SS vs. 2009 or 2010 GT, the Camaro was more expensive. If you add the GT500 into the mix, yeah the Mustang is more, but Camaro doesn't have a model to compare to the GT500(yet).
now if you compare a 2011 GT5.0 to the SS the prices are closer.
You will get the same result with a 2010 LS/LT to a 2009/2010 Mustang V6. The Camaro was more. You simply couldn't get a hardtop Mustang V6 into the $32K range like you can with the Camaro. With the improvements made to the 2011 Mustangs the prices are closer.
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doc700, I understand your point, but if you look at the last 1.5 years and go model by model instead of using a top of the range only, you will see that comparing a 2010 SS vs. 2009 or 2010 GT, the Camaro was more expensive. If you add the GT500 into the mix, yeah the Mustang is more, but Camaro doesn't have a model to compare to the GT500(yet).
now if you compare a 2011 GT5.0 to the SS the prices are closer.
You will get the same result with a 2010 LS/LT to a 2009/2010 Mustang V6. The Camaro was more. You simply couldn't get a hardtop Mustang V6 into the $32K range like you can with the Camaro. With the improvements made to the 2011 Mustangs the prices are closer.
In 1995 there was no Mustang GT500 and I was comparing the entire range (V6 to V8 model).

If you compared the 2010 Camaro SS ($31,000) to the 2010 Mustang GT ($29,000) then yes there was that $2,000 difference in price. However for that difference in price you got better content not to mention that the Mustang GT had a 4.6L 315BHP engine while the Camaro SS had the 426BHP 6.2L engine. Still during that model year the Camaro clearly outsold the Mustang even though there was a $2,000 price difference. In order to get a Mustang with the same things that the Camaro had you had to opt for the Premium package which in 2010 actually made the Mustang cost more then the similarly equiped Camaro 1SS.

2010 Camaro V6 started at $23,000 and the 2010 V6 Mustang started at $22,000 a $1,000 difference in price. The 2010 Mustang you could option up to about $30,000, I don't see a huge deal with being able to option the Camaro up to $32,000, how many of these cars were optioned out fully loaded?

Its not like 1984 where a $2,000 price difference was a 20% difference, a $2,000 difference in price today about 7%. Having a difference of $2,000 means much less today then it did in 1980.........
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camaros are everywhere now. i see them at every stop light. its the mustang that is exclusive now.
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camaros are everywhere now. i see them at every stop light. its the mustang that is exclusive now.
Maybe in your area. I agree there's a lot of Camaro's out there now, but I can't blink without seeing a girl in a Mustang.
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In 1995 there was no Mustang GT500 and I was comparing the entire range (V6 to V8 model).

If you compared the 2010 Camaro SS ($31,000) to the 2010 Mustang GT ($29,000) then yes there was that $2,000 difference in price. However for that difference in price you got better content not to mention that the Mustang GT had a 4.6L 315BHP engine while the Camaro SS had the 426BHP 6.2L engine. Still during that model year the Camaro clearly outsold the Mustang even though there was a $2,000 price difference. In order to get a Mustang with the same things that the Camaro had you had to opt for the Premium package which in 2010 actually made the Mustang cost more then the similarly equiped Camaro 1SS.

2010 Camaro V6 started at $23,000 and the 2010 V6 Mustang started at $22,000 a $1,000 difference in price. The 2010 Mustang you could option up to about $30,000, I don't see a huge deal with being able to option the Camaro up to $32,000, how many of these cars were optioned out fully loaded?

Its not like 1984 where a $2,000 price difference was a 20% difference, a $2,000 difference in price today about 7%. Having a difference of $2,000 means much less today then it did in 1980.........
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree or else this back and forth could keep going and going.
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