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Old 10-24-2010, 11:18 AM   #51
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And that's with the CamaroSS weighing 200lbs more. Can anyone tell me how much the hood and truck weigh.. and whether a carbon fiber replacement would be worth the change in weight?
they're aluminum... so you wouldn't get that much out of them.


btw, where did those specs come from? i'd like to know the specs on that mustang and if those runs are by people or ideal perfect-run scenarios...
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:27 AM   #52
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It's a warp drive...... but seriously! In the first gens. the Z wasn't any more powerful than the SS so whats to say they do offer the 556 in the SS in 2012. At least 1 7/8" headers and 3" hi flow back with (cowl inducted) CAI + tune. I'm sure they read this and it is the most common mods that don't stress the drive-train just the warranty.
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:30 AM   #53
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Huh, interesting. I wonder what they will be changing if they are keeping the same engines.

Cam and ECM should do it.
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I would like to see them dump the L99 all together. Use the LS3 for both A6 and M6 and just use the gearing to avoid the gas guzzler tax, just like they did on the 4th gens and just like Ford is doing. For the A6, offer a 3.08 rear end to miss the gas guzzler tax, and the 3.55 or 3.73 for the performance package. We all know pushing 460-480 out of the LS3 will be easy, it is more of a marketing decision of how much to add and when to do it. I expect the new rating to be right around 450. Just dump the AFM already though, it is not worth the drop in performance, and for those that want better economy, you offer the highway gears.
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:50 AM   #55
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Well to really beat the Mustang just give us 3.73 gears from the factory and problem solved. Then on paper they should be the same with just that change.
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:53 AM   #56
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btw, where did those specs come from? i'd like to know the specs on that mustang and if those runs are by people or ideal perfect-run scenarios...
Car and Driver magazine....
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:56 AM   #57
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According to GMAuthority, the Camaro SS is set to receive a power bump. Their sources are indicating that more power will be coming to both the LS3 and L99 Camaro SS.

The power bump is said to be a reaction by GM to the new Mustang 5.0's quicker quarter mile time. No exact power increase numbers were quoted or provided, but the increase in power would begin with the 2012 Camaros.

This would make the second major change coming to the 2012 Camaros, in addition to the expected revamped and improved interior.
This is very cool news. The Camaro rocks. I love it when a good thing gets even better.

Here's hoping it's an actual boost in power and not just a "less conservative rating". Seeing how they wanna beat the Mustang's 1/4 time, I imagine it will be.

Consumers stand to benefit from this competition. These two are waging war to build the best muscle car. Love it.
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I WANT A SUPERCHARGER SIITING ON TOP OF MY V6

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Looking at the picture on the homepage, it looks like they fixed the paint rubbing off under the spoiler too, oh no, I'm sure I'm mistaken, since as of this week mine will have been painted three times, I dare not say the problem will have been solved just painted three times.
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Old 10-24-2010, 12:31 PM   #61
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The SS already beats the GT.



The V6 is the one that loses to the Mustang V6. I agree that its the gearing. One look at the top speeds difference wil tell U somethings up.




Mustang V6 Top speed 113MPH
Camaro V6 Top Speed 157MPH
Got to keep the mpg number though and gears will hurt that. Mustang gets 31 mpg but only with the 2.73 gears not the 3.31 which makes it fast.The GT according to the one mag in the driving they did lost or got 2 mpg less then the SS and Challanger with the 3.73 gears.
But that being said offer a track pack option with 3.55 or 3.73 gears and maybe with those combos tweak the trans gears to help on gas and accel.

I would like to change mine to that but $1800 or so for gears/install and tune is steep so I will wait and see.
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Old 10-24-2010, 12:37 PM   #62
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Old 10-24-2010, 01:17 PM   #63
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Old 10-24-2010, 01:28 PM   #64
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Old 10-24-2010, 01:47 PM   #65
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they're aluminum... so you wouldn't get that much out of them.


btw, where did those specs come from? i'd like to know the specs on that mustang and if those runs are by people or ideal perfect-run scenarios...
The one in Blue is from ROAD AND TRACK

The other one is from CAR and Driver


in the end the Mustang won because GM took a Loan from the Taxpayer
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I WANT A SUPERCHARGER SIITING ON TOP OF MY V6

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Don't hold your breath on that one. I will say that the 3.6L or 3.0L will be getting a TURBO for 2012, at least in Cadillac trim
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This is very cool news. The Camaro rocks. I love it when a good thing gets even better.

Consumers stand to benefit from this competition. These two are waging war to build the best muscle car. Love it.
Totally agree... the Pony Car Wars are back and the only real winner will be the consumer/auto enthusiasts!! Exciting enhancements and improvements will be coming out year after year as the Camaro vs. Mustang vs. Challenger battles evolve. I'm freakin lovin it!!
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Old 10-24-2010, 01:51 PM   #68
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The good thing about this is that it makes both the mustang and camaro better cars. Both companies are going to leapfrog each other improving the cars which really benefits us as the buyer!

These engine respond so well to bolt ons, that pulling out more power is really quite easy to do.
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I still don't see why they won't just offer us gearing options and leave the engines alone. A lower "track" geared option would easily be the equivilant of another 40 - 60 lbs/Tq and get those fast 0 - 60 and quarter mile times.

But who knows, if all they are going to do is offer a revised tune then I guess that is probably a cheaper way to go.
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Got to keep the mpg number though and gears will hurt that. Mustang gets 31 mpg but only with the 2.73 gears not the 3.31 which makes it fast.The GT according to the one mag in the driving they did lost or got 2 mpg less then the SS and Challanger with the 3.73 gears.
But that being said offer a track pack option with 3.55 or 3.73 gears and maybe with those combos tweak the trans gears to help on gas and accel.

I would like to change mine to that but $1800 or so for gears/install and tune is steep so I will wait and see.


Good point. In the C&D specs the Mustang was running 3.31 axle 18/29 C&D observed 18
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YUP.. GM has been working on this since late 2007. They did testing on the Escalade's 6.2L, which is not the same as an LS3:

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The experimental engine is based on GM’s current all-aluminum Gen IV 6.2L V-8 (L92) found in the Escalade, GMC Yukon Denali and Hummer H2. Depending on the application, the powerplant, which sports port fuel injection, variable valve timing (VVT) and dual-cam phasing, is rated between 380-403 hp in stock form.

However, with a little tweaking to accommodate the auto industry’s latest fuel-injection hardware, the prototype V-8 is producing “well north of 450 hp (on gasoline),” says Dave Sczomak, development engineer-GM Powertrain Advanced Engineering.
Running the engine on E85 ethanol allows for even more power to be coaxed from the big V-8, he adds, noting the 85%/15% ethanol/gasoline mix generally carries a race fuel-like 106 octane rating.

Cruising the web of test roads onsite, the Escalade motors along smoothly with a characteristic large-displacement V-8 burble. However, mashing the gas from a standstill produces a wave of power that propels the big truck at a noticeably more rapid pace than the production version.

Along with the substantial increase in horsepower, DIG also contributes to about a 10% increase in low-end torque, Sczomak says. In addition, fuel economy is moderately improved (3-6%), as are cold-start emissions of hydrocarbons.

To accommodate the DIG fueling system, GM redesigned the L92 cylinder heads, rearranging the intake ports to make room for the eight high-pressure injectors that squirt fuel directly into the side of the combustion chamber at 2,250 psi (155 bar).
New dished pistons – similar to a diesel’s – were installed for added clearance of the injectors. They also contribute to a greater compression ratio (11.5:1 vs. 10.5:1), which can be employed because of the high-octane composition of E85 and the knock-reducing cooling effect of introducing fuel directly into the cylinder.
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DI normally yields about a 15-17% increase in power. Hence the reason why they can use a smaller displacement engine like a 5.5L and get 450HP. The LS3 with DI would be at about 495HP
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Old 10-24-2010, 02:04 PM   #72
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Or an extra cylinder or two... LOL sorry, I had to. And no I dont think the V6 is a bad car. It is just a joke... and I know some of the V6 people on here cant take a joke so I have to explain myself.




My thoughts exactly, on paper the mustang is only a little faster so I doubt GM will go way out of the way to beat it. I have ran a few 2011 5.0s and have beat them and all I have are long tube headers w/ high flow cats, LMR CAI, and muffler delete so it wont take much for GM to be able to say its faster.
hahaha, thats a good 1, I know some v6 guys get all up in arms about it, I got a v6 because the cost of an ss + insurance is waaay to high for my age, I may just trade it in 2012 for a nice new ss :P.

Ive seen all the magazines rate the two cars, the 5.0L vs SS, and pretty much is a drivers race, some get the camaro faster, others get the 5.0L faster, but hey power bump is always good

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And that's with the CamaroSS weighing 200lbs more. Can anyone tell me how much the hood and truck weigh.. and whether a carbon fiber replacement would be worth the change in weight?
I know the Camaro's hood is aluminum, I was a TPT in the plant for the first year of the camaro, and my dad worked in the Body shop and he said they are aluminum as well, so I dont think you'd get much of a weight savings there, but the trunk you may, I don't think its aluminum.

I think the bulk of the camaro's weight is more the frame and underpinnings, all that stuff his heavy steel, the body itself isn't that heavy, its also a bigger car than the mustang, but seriously if they could drop 300 lbs off the camaro they wouldn't even need to up the horsepower.
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Honestly the power is sufficient, I think making the cars significantly lighter would be more than enough. The thing the camaro loses against the mustang is the power/weight ratio.
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If specs on paper dont guarantee anything, then how come GM QUICKLY had the V6 "certified" at 312hp instead of leaving it alone at 304? GM will probably only bump the HP enough so that they can advertise a better 0-60 and 1/4 mile times then the mustang wich wont take much. Specs on paper mean alot to manufacturers.
don't be dense, my response was obviously telling him why he can outrun a car that should out run him, on paper.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say
2012 SS -480hp
2012 Z28 600hp
The reason i say this is the new 6.4L hemi puts out 475hp, so i believe chevrolet will out do dodge on that one again since it seems the z28 will be gt500 competition and not srt.
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