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Old 10-24-2010, 05:38 PM   #86
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Ah the wars lol should be awesome!
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Old 10-24-2010, 06:04 PM   #87
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I got my SS thinking this was the peak of the hp war with all the green talk going on . Crap member when the viper came out 400 hp
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Old 10-24-2010, 06:09 PM   #88
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I got my SS thinking this was the peak of the hp war with all the green talk going on . Crap member when the viper came out 400 hp
$4.00+ gas will put an end to the current muscle car wars in a hurry (like what happened in '73). Until then... enjoy it.
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Old 10-24-2010, 06:22 PM   #89
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Great now its going to be even harder to order a 2011 SS this spring....Damn decisions!!
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Old 10-24-2010, 06:45 PM   #90
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This is awesome news!!
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Old 10-24-2010, 06:57 PM   #91
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This is awesome! However, folks there may be a few problems with your solutions. A gearing change would likely result in lower fuel economy all around. If it drops too low you will have to pay a GG tax. You have to pay to play.

My guess is a revised intake, tune and exhaust system.

Also, one thing about that C&D test? They tested another Mustang with the summer tires (not the "all season" tires) and it ran a 13.0 flat at 111. Basically they picked the slower time of the two. The Mustang simply has an advantage in most cases, lighter with just as much power to the wheels.
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Old 10-24-2010, 07:07 PM   #92
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the LS series motors are always under-rated anyway..I'm going to say somewhere around 445hp for the 2012 SS and maybe an increase for the 2012 Camaro 3.6L..I'm not sure if the HP increase will be worth what the MSRP increase will be considering you can probably get just as much HP out your current SS by installing a CAI,exhaust and a Tune..dropping some weight is always good too..



the 2012 Z/28 will never get a 600HP S/C motor unless Chevy plans on selling them at around $70,000.. I'm thinking the 2012 Z/28 will be in the 500-515hp range priced around $55,000(nicely equipped)..that is if it really gets the Supercharged Motor..

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Old 10-24-2010, 07:09 PM   #93
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It's a warp drive...... but seriously! In the first gens. the Z wasn't any more powerful than the SS so whats to say they do offer the 556 in the SS in 2012. At least 1 7/8" headers and 3" hi flow back with (cowl inducted) CAI + tune. I'm sure they read this and it is the most common mods that don't stress the drive-train just the warranty.
cowl induction doesn't do much for a fuel injected engine. maybe you meant Ram Air?
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Old 10-24-2010, 07:20 PM   #94
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What is everyone getting upset for? This is a car company that needs to make money ,and in order to do that, they need to sell a lot of cars. So they have to keep improving the product. Do you all guys that are upset really believe that they would never improve over what we all bought. They want all of us to trade our old ones in on the latest and greatest. It's just like the next tv or computer. They keep us buying because they know we're all suckers for the next best thing. Don't blame GM. They're just doing what they need to do to survive.
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Old 10-24-2010, 07:27 PM   #95
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I hhave a very simple and effective solution to the problem.number 1, give the SS the 427 Z06 engine. Number 2 a body of carbonfiber.and 3.73 gears. end of story.
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Old 10-24-2010, 07:44 PM   #96
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I hhave a very simple and effective solution to the problem.number 1, give the SS the 427 Z06 engine. Number 2 a body of carbonfiber.and 3.73 gears. end of story.
Hmm...17,000 dollar crate engine. 10,000 more than the LS3 engine. Add in 65,000 dollars of carbon fiber..

What could go wrong with a 120,000 dollar Camaro.
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Old 10-24-2010, 07:45 PM   #97
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Maybe their also thinking about E85 everywhere also. If it does boost up octane as one post here says and if it is mandated as I have heard, hopefully not hurting our cars out there already they could tune and maybe boost timing from what it is now to more toward the old 34-36 degrees. Thats of course if that much timing would help or not in todays engines. Just a thought.
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Old 10-24-2010, 07:50 PM   #98
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This is awesome! However, folks there may be a few problems with your solutions. A gearing change would likely result in lower fuel economy all around. If it drops too low you will have to pay a GG tax. You have to pay to play.

My guess is a revised intake, tune and exhaust system.

Also, one thing about that C&D test? They tested another Mustang with the summer tires (not the "all season" tires) and it ran a 13.0 flat at 111. Basically they picked the slower time of the two. The Mustang simply has an advantage in most cases, lighter with just as much power to the wheels.



But in both the C&D and the R&T articles they used a Camaro with the EXACT same summer tires as the Mustang.. Not only that the Camaro was rolling on 20's, had a 300lb disadvantage, and was built by a company that took Taxpayer money. Yet it beat the Mustang in the 0-100, 0-130, the 1/4, and equaled it in the coveted but pointless 0-60 race.

For the LIFE OF ME... after driving the new GT.. I can not see why the media raves about the Mustang. It handles SLIGHTLY better, but that has a lot to do with the weight and smaller wheels
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Old 10-24-2010, 07:54 PM   #100
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I hhave a very simple and effective solution to the problem.number 1, give the SS the 427 Z06 engine. Number 2 a body of carbonfiber.and 3.73 gears. end of story.
The LS7 is too expensive. It actually costs more to build one than the LSA (CTS-V) and LS9 (ZR1)

The SS already beats the GT. Chevy is going for the publicity of saying it's OWNS the GT once and for all.

New interior, altho I love mine, Z28, Convertible, and a power increase for the SS... Chevy is looking to keep that sales lead. Truth be told, I would be surprised if we don't see the 3.6L getting a power boost to 330HP as well.
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Old 10-24-2010, 08:07 PM   #101
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Wow I love all this speculation. Now here are questions I pose to myself and hopefully some people can answer reasonably.

1. How much weight would be saved going from the 6.2L to the new 5.5L (aluminum block right?) from just switching out engines?

2. Why not give the V6 the 3.0L LF3 engine! GM's got the engine, hopefully, they are just finishing up testing it.
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Old 10-24-2010, 08:45 PM   #102
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Its reasonable, feasible and wouldn't require a huge outlay in new development and I know GM isn't going to do it.

Raid the GM performance parts bin:
Cold air box has GM sold any?
Shorty headers same story...
GM exhaust, yes a few are sold. But most buyers aren't swapping at all or are heading right to aftermarket.

Suggestion:
  • Trans from CTS-V with 3:73 ratio (know it can handle the power)
  • Hit the parts bi: Put on the shorties / GM cold air box / GM exhaust (get them out of the warehouse they are in gathering dust)
  • A sway bar and swap out the 245s up front for another set of 275s.
  • Pop in the LS Hot Cam. (LS376/480...)
With the Cam, Headers and Exhaust swap, it should be good for ~45hp to the wheels.

Gear change gets the trap speed up.
Sway bars and wheels gets the cornering speeds up.
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