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Old 01-12-2009, 08:22 PM   #51
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Yeah thats pretty much what I got on the RX-8 forum too. Back when gas as $4.50 and i was trying to decide what to get. I mentioned how bad the RX-8 is on gas, and basically the response was sports cars are supposed to be bad on gas, if you want better fuel economy get a compact car.
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Yeah thats pretty much what I got on the RX-8 forum too. Back when gas as $4.50 and i was trying to decide what to get. I mentioned how bad the RX-8 is on gas, and basically the response was sports cars are supposed to be bad on gas, if you want better fuel economy get a compact car.
This mindset makes no sense to me. Sports cars are supposed to be fast - most just happen to be bad on gas. Doesn't mean they have to be.
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Old 01-12-2009, 09:15 PM   #53
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So with the V-6 proposed @ 26 MPG. . . .
What are they saying for the LS3??
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Old 01-12-2009, 09:17 PM   #54
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This is what was mentioned during the IDL...

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I'm loving those numbers on the V-6 Auto. Def better than my 2002 V-8 Durango getting now!
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It's got great MPG imo. This is not the Prius or Volt forum

Only prius around here is in the rear view mirror.
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Old 01-13-2009, 01:30 PM   #57
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Its too bad the V6 manual only gets 25 highway, i was hoping for better.
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Old 01-13-2009, 01:37 PM   #58
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They favored performance over fuel economy for that one, apparently.
The gear spread is extremely aggressive.
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Old 01-13-2009, 01:40 PM   #59
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I've been driving 6-speed sticks every day for the past 5 years now... they really could lighten up on the top gears to give it a little more cruise on the highway. For my driving style anyway. Its fun to mash it sometimes, but you usually don't.
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I think the v6 is the perfect marriage of performance/fuel efficiency.
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Its too bad the V6 manual only gets 25 highway, i was hoping for better.
When I get mine, I'll probably replace some gears. I don't need 6 close-ratio gears...3 close ratios and then 3 long ratios with 6th being 1000rpm@60mph ought to do the job for me. Wish me luck making that one happen.
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Old 01-13-2009, 02:20 PM   #62
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Yeah... i won't be doing that, but it is a good idea. I wish my 4th and 5th were a little taller and 6th was way out there. I'm doing like 4000 rpm just cruising down the highway. My car might not have low end but it doesn't need to be THAT high cruising at 80
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I'm loving those numbers on the V-6 Auto. Def better than my 2002 V-8 Durango getting now!
better than my V6 truck, too. after CAI, exhaust, & tune i'm getting around 16/21-ish
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Yeah... i won't be doing that, but it is a good idea. I wish my 4th and 5th were a little taller and 6th was way out there. I'm doing like 4000 rpm just cruising down the highway. My car might not have low end but it doesn't need to be THAT high cruising at 80
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Old 01-13-2009, 02:35 PM   #65
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9000 RPM is 150 Revolutions per Second. Thats hella fast, imagine that image above, spinning at 150 spins per second, and imagine it not filthy and not missing the drive cog etc
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I think real world numbers will be better than 25 highway. Keep your foot out of it and you should see better city numbers too. 'Course I may lean towards changing the gears eventually too. Right now (mathematically) the car should redline at 105 in third. 4th, 5th, and 6th can certainly be lengthened a tad bit, especially once you throw an exhaust on the thing.
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I think the v6 is the perfect marriage of performance/fuel efficiency.
I am very pleased with the way the V6 has turned out with respect to balancing performance and efficiency, great job GM!
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That comment was caused by but not directed at you, l008com. I was thinking of people on automotive forums who actually seem offended when someone mentions fuel economy, as if you had insulted their mother.
Anyone who is buying a new car today and don't take fuel efficiency into consideration for a car he intends to use as a daily driver is foolish.

The price of fuel is going to be unstable from now on and I suspect it will only trend higher.

It is totally possible to get both performance and efficiency in a vehicle and you might as well go for it. It's only money but it's going tol take more and more of it at time goes on. Cheap fuel has gone the way of the dodo.
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I guess I am the only one that thinks the fuel economy for even the v6 is completely pathetic? I got 26 city with mildly aggressive driving in my 97 v6 (stick), and most people I talk to with manual Z28s or SSs say they get at LEAST 20 city.
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I guess I am the only one that thinks the fuel economy for even the v6 is completely pathetic? I got 26 city with mildly aggressive driving in my 97 v6 (stick), and most people I talk to with manual Z28s or SSs say they get at LEAST 20 city.
C'mon...Are you really comparing apples to apples with the '97 v6 and the '10 v6?

HP: Winner: 2010 - 50% more (304hp vs 200hp)
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C'mon...Are you really comparing apples to apples with the '97 v6 and the '10 v6?

HP: Winner: 2010 - 50% more (304hp vs 200hp)
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True, but OTOH it is still the successor of the 4th gen camaro... So on that note it is apples to apples.

Still, I love everything about the new camaro, but it just ocurred to me this morning how bad the fuel economy is.
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I guess I am the only one that thinks the fuel economy for even the v6 is completely pathetic? I got 26 city with mildly aggressive driving in my 97 v6 (stick), and most people I talk to with manual Z28s or SSs say they get at LEAST 20 city.
I doubt your '97 made the kind of power that this newer V-6 does.

Even with more modern technology (DOHC, multi-valve, direct injection), you can't defy the laws of physics. If those 300+ horses are really there, they expect to get fed.

It all depends on how many you use and how hard you want to run 'em.

Shed 1,000 pounds off the new Camaro and you'll help fuel burn too, and do it while improving performance in all areas. But, that's probably the most costly thing you can do, even if it is also the most useful.
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