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Old 11-21-2010, 08:57 PM   #26
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Very doubtful. The factory is too far away from the majority of end consumers, not to mention in another country.
I don't doubt it at all - it's already happening!

That's why I said in OSHAWA, at the plant. More and more people are making the annual migration to the plant. The City embraces it, local business's embrace it, why wouldn't the factory?
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That's why I said in OSHAWA, at the plant. More and more people are making the annual migration to the plant. The City embraces it, local business's embrace it, why wouldn't the factory?
The consumer would not support it. Camaro buyers are in the United States. It's too far away plus they don't really care where the car is made. There is no significance to the location.

To draw a parallel to the Corvette delivery program, you do not take delivery of your Corvette at the factory. You simply take a tour of the plant, but your car is delivered to the museum.
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Old 11-21-2010, 09:05 PM   #28
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I'm not referring to "taking delivery"... I refer to the opportunity to go to the plant to meet the makers of your car - many of the employee's....something not equalled - not even at the Corvette plant.

It's an annual migration. It's happened twice, it will happen again. And it's growing every year.
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Let's suspend reality for a moment and ignore all the problems with the idea.

What would you LIKE TO SEE...and how much would you pay for such an option? I believe that was Doug's question.
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Old 11-21-2010, 09:11 PM   #30
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If reality is suspended, then I say FREE Z28's FOR EVERYONE! Be at the plant in September for pick up! Works for me!
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Old 11-21-2010, 09:14 PM   #31
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If reality is suspended, then I say FREE Z28's FOR EVERYONE! Be at the plant in September for pick up! Works for me!
You're not getting this game...are you?
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Old 11-21-2010, 09:22 PM   #32
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You're not getting this game...are you?
I think I have a VERY creative Imagination
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I think I have a VERY creative Imagination
Sure do!!
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Let's suspend reality for a moment and ignore all the problems with the idea.

What would you LIKE TO SEE...and how much would you pay for such an option? I believe that was Doug's question.

EXACTLY.
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If reality is suspended, then I say FREE Z28's FOR EVERYONE! Be at the plant in September for pick up! Works for me!






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Rather than look for every possible way to shoot this down, why not try to use all that pessimism, turn it around, and try to find an idea to actually make it work?

It doesn't have to be taking delivery there.....or it could be...maybe you don't get to touch the car. Maybe it's just a documentation process and a tour of the plant. Who knows?

It's called ideas....brainstorming for those who would LIKE to do something like this.

If GM and Oshawa came up with some agreement (as Joe said with more and more plants opening to the public to gain consumer interest), who's to say they won't open their minds a bit??

Again. Try to stop looking for all ways to shoot this down and be try to be a bit helpful....cool?
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A tour of the plant is very possible. They CAN do it, but so far, they simply won't. Could be insurance, plant setup with whizzing machinery and robots, or whatever menial reason they come up with, but I believe it's the same ol' stodgy GM management that moves at a snail's pace and does not like to deal with "change". Doing something as simple as a plant tour isn't impossible. Logistically speaking, it would take a bit of effort to co-ordinate from within, but staying on a "safe" walking path and ensuring people don't get flattened shouldn't be TOO difficult for a specified day for a couple of hours. I know at our plant we do it for our best volume customers (expenses paid by the company- but I wouldn't expect GM to do that), and I've toured the St. Louis plant and Bowling Green plants with my dad for a more, shall we say, "personalized" tour. They can if they want to. The question is, can we CONVINCE them?

As far as a factory delivery and costs, if they DID do that, I think somewhere in the neighborhood of $500 or so ought to cover it. But the issue is, and hard as it is for some people to accept....Corvette is the flagship of Chevrolet's performance. NOT the Camaro. So GM probably puts on a bit better PR face for Corvette than they do Camaro. I mean, where' the Camaro museum?
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Personally, I would pay to have a "museum pack' of build documents provided in Suitable for Archive Preservation Packaging. Would pay $195 thank you!
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Try to stop looking for all ways to shoot this down and be try to be a bit helpful....cool?
It is not cool. Ignoring reality is not helpful in any situation.
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Old 11-22-2010, 06:27 AM   #38
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Oshawa is home to several new "unseen" projects. A sweating manager there said there is too much inside we DON'T want you to see.....just yet....that's why you can't come in.

Not against the OP's suggestion, yes I think it would be cool.
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It is not cool. Ignoring reality is not helpful in any situation.
Oh yes it is. "Reality" is perceived. And it is relative to the person doing the perceiving. To suspend conventional understandings for a brief periods of time is called "imagination"...and it usually leads to some pretty wicked ideas that can be applied to the real world. Ask Galileo, Einstein, Edison, Tesla, or every designer and engineer at GM.

So...it's very cool. If you can't answer the question posed, fine. But don't come in here acting all Debbie-downer and ruin other people's fun.


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Is Debbie Downer the same actress who starred in Debbie does Dallas? I never knew what her last name was but it seems "fitting".
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It is not cool. Ignoring reality is not helpful in any situation.
Re-read my original post. I never asked how to shoot down the idea. I asked for ideas to make it happen. I'm asking specific questions which could bring about CHANGE....it's called constant innovation. If all you want to do is dwell on reality and the way things are now, you will never get change and you will be stuck with the same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old same old..........
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Oh yes it is. "Reality" is perceived. And it is relative to the person doing the perceiving. To suspend conventional understandings for a brief periods of time is called "imagination"...and it usually leads to some pretty wicked ideas that can be applied to the real world. Ask Galileo, Einstein, Edison, Tesla, or every designer and engineer at GM.

So...it's very cool. If you can't answer the question posed, fine. But don't come in here acting all Debbie-downer and ruin other people's fun.


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Plane tickets to Canada, for starters.

EDIT: I seriously do not know why "pics of your car being built" is not already an option these days. Every part is so computer-controlled, if they can separate the doors on the other side of the factory and reassemble them later in the build, there is no reason they can't take pics of your car at any stage of the process. High quality digital pics, emailed to you perhaps as the build progresses, but in the least available with your "new car envelope" you get at the dealer.
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I would certainly be willing to pay an $600-$750 if I could get a all the build paperwork (unfolded or creased) and still shots and/or video of my car coming down the line. I would like to able to take a tour of plant and actually be in the car as it goes through the final "Shake, Rattle and Roll" inspection. Then I would like a picture of me w/ all the leads that built the car. And since there is a little bar across the street that loves my Texas accent (and the waitress is pretty cute btw...) I would expect to be able to take the leads over there and buy them a BEER!!! not asking to much I hope... especially since I'm buying the drinks :P
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I would certainly be willing to pay an $600-$750 if I could get a all the build paperwork (unfolded or creased) and still shots and/or video of my car coming down the line. I would like to able to take a tour of plant and actually be in the car as it goes through the final "Shake, Rattle and Roll" inspection. Then I would like a picture of me w/ all the leads that built the car. And since there is a little bar across the street that loves my Texas accent (and the waitress is pretty cute btw...) I would expect to be able to take the leads over there and buy them a BEER!!! not asking to much I hope... especially since I'm buying the drinks :P
Now you're talking!!!!
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At the beginning of the tour they hand you the intake cover for your car... During the tour they allow you to have employees sign the back of it... THAT would be worth a few bucks!
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At the beginning of the tour they hand you the intake cover for your car... During the tour they allow you to have employees sign the back of it... THAT would be worth a few bucks!
I would go w/ the engine cover... it's bigger so it gives you more room for more Sigs!
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That would be cool.

It's not like each car coming down the line would have someone walking next to it either. So, there might be one to three people a day? That wouldn't be too many people who they would have to fit in. That would be worth it. AND....all of those line workers who get to see the people who are buying cars THEY build....that builds a satisfaction for the line worker too. ...you get to see the excitement from the buyers first hand. Talk about a REAL "attaboy" from the people who are ultimately the most important ones around. Because, without the buyers, they wouldn't have the jobs in the first place.

Yeah...

lf I were working in the factory putting a Z28 together and someone came up to me thanking me for what I do...asking me to sign an engine cover. Man, talk about job satisfaction. Might actually be GOOD for GM and it's employee happiness. MM hmm..
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That would be cool.

It's not like each car coming down the line would have someone walking next to it either. So, there might be one to three people a day?

If/When the Z comes out I guarantee it will be limited numbers and even less that actually would take the tour, so I bet you would be lucky to get 3 or 4 a week... EVEN BETTER!!!!

AND....all of those line workers who get to see the people who are buying cars THEY build....that builds a satisfaction for the line worker too. ...you get to see the excitement from the buyers first hand. Talk about a REAL "attaboy" from the people who are ultimately the most important ones around. Because, without the buyers, they wouldn't have the jobs in the first place.

The ones that I've met so far are all so humble and very apprecative!!! I can't wait to meet many more next year

Yeah...

lf I were working in the factory putting a Z28 together and someone came up to me thanking me for what I do...asking me to sign an engine cover. Man, talk about job satisfaction. Might actually be GOOD for GM and it's employee happiness. MM hmm..
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