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Old 01-13-2011, 09:53 PM   #226
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Hmmmmmmmmm.....

Could it be that the SSX was the HP in cloak and dagger format at SEMA?
No, I think the SSX would actually be the Z/28 in cloak and dagger format (to compete with the Boss) if you go by this theory that the HP model will be a whole new beast.
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Old 01-13-2011, 10:02 PM   #227
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I think the HP model is just a code name for now, no real reason to start a whole new model of the camaro when there is the z28 still available.
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Old 01-13-2011, 10:12 PM   #228
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I have been waiting but if it is above 46,000.00 way to much money, I'll settle for a 2SS and supercharge it myself and be ahead of the game........................
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Burying the Z-28 name makes no sense. I can see only one reason why the 2012 model would go into production and be called the HP versus the Z-28. GM is going to pull a Challenger gig. Remember how the first year was all SRTs? Maybe the Gen6 Camaro will be introduced a year early as the Z-28 model only. They could produce 2014 Z-28s on the Gen6 and the rest of the 2014 lineup on the Gen5s.
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Old 01-13-2011, 10:18 PM   #230
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I think the HP model is just a code name for now, no real reason to start a whole new model of the camaro when there is the z28 still available.
Yes it is still available, but you can clearly see by the posts from number 3 and fbodfather that they want to get it right and don't want to put a badge on something that is not deserving...if most people just want the power upgrade then who cares what they call it, if they are in fact saving the name for something different
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Old 01-13-2011, 10:21 PM   #231
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If not Z/28, then what.
RS. In use
SS. In use
IROC. GM doesn't own it.
Panther. The Camaro's pre-production name. Not likely.
Z/29. God I hope not.

Don't get me wrong, I will have the top model "alpha platformed" Camaro, no matter what its name is. I'm just trying to figure out what else it could be named.
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OK Fbodfather/Scotty has me thinking that the new HPE Camaro will NOT be named Z28 afterall. I think that this would be a mistake but GM has never listened to me in the past and I do not think that they will listen to me now. From all of the spy photos and leaked information that has been posted on this car, it will be a totally awesome car that could easily live up to the name Z28 and what it represents. I mean really: 556+HP S/C engine. 6 piston Brembo brakes with massive rotors, lowered suspension with Magnetic Ride, 285/330 tires, HUD, Hurst short throw shifter, beefed up IRS, louder tuned exhaust and award winning good looks!! It sounds like a Z28 to me.

That being said, whatever Chevy decides to call the HPE Camaro will be fine with me. I have my preference for Z28 because I always wanted one but a different name will not change my desire to own this car. My deposit has been with my dealer for many months now anticipating this car whatever it is going to be called. Chevy is building this car with all of the good things I would build it with if I could just pull the items off of the shelf and put them on the assembly line. The car will be beautiful as much as it will be brutal and a pure delight to drive, no matter what its name will be. Thank you Team Camaro for doing a wonderful job, I know the car will be great.
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Old 01-13-2011, 10:42 PM   #233
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If not Z/28, then what.
RS. In use
SS. In use
IROC. GM doesn't own it.
Panther. The Camaro's pre-production name. Not likely.
Z/29. God I hope not.

Don't get me wrong, I will have the top model "alpha platformed" Camaro, no matter what its name is. I'm just trying to figure out what else it could be named.[/QUOTE]

How about Camaro? the fender on some of the spy photos sure as heck looks like it says "supercharged" it may just be as simple as that...
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If not Z/28, then what.
RS. In use
SS. In use
IROC. GM doesn't own it.
Panther. The Camaro's pre-production name. Not likely.
Z/29. God I hope not.


I am going to guess: Camaro BFH - Bat From Hell
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Old 01-13-2011, 11:05 PM   #235
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As I just mentioned in another post - everything --- every little detail - is scrutinized by the team......in all my years, I've never seen such passion (other than perhaps the Corvette team) for the product. We are custodians of the brand and we take this responsibility very seriously.

I see the minute details that Al and the Engineering group work thru -- taking as much time as necessary - so that the car will be right and that it will be something you can be immeasurably proud of.

Many years ago - all manufacturers 'just assembled it' - and the result wasn't acceptable.

This is a thread that is going to be very visible - and so I say to you that no matter what the car is called -- some will love the name - others will not. I'm just hopeful that once the car hits the streets, people will come together over whatever nameplate is used - and know that the Camaro Team put their everything into this great automobile.

One last thing: We are in the 21st century. CAFE for 2016 is 35.5mpg for the fleet - that includes Suburbans and Impalas and Silverados -- and the Administration in Washington is talking about raising CAFE to greater than 50mpg by 2021........

..........so anyone thinking that there will be a high performance V8 for a very inexpensive price - is going to be disappointed.

That said: The Camaro is still a Chevrolet -meaning that it will give more value than expected.




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thanks for the response! I'm just sick of waiting, thankfully I have my Vette to hold me over

and I was obviously kidding about the Mustang part
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get ready to pay $55,000+ for this....
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Old 01-13-2011, 11:14 PM   #237
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Just SC Camaro. Possible. But that would be more likely if they just dropped a blower on top of the stock engine. This car is much more. Different engine, SC, mr, etc...
IMHO, GM has spent too much money on R/D to not give it it's own name.
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Old 01-13-2011, 11:30 PM   #238
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If your going to pay $55,000.00 then go buy a Vet. There won't be many sold at the price. Take the difference of $37,000.00 and $55 and put it into a 2SS/RS and you'd blow the paint off any Z or Vet.
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Old 01-13-2011, 11:48 PM   #239
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Wouldn't it be fun if they made a light weight track ready 5.0L Gen V powered Z28 model, just think of the comparo between the Z28 Camaro and Boss 302 Mustang.
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If not Z/28, then what.
RS. In use
SS. In use
IROC. GM doesn't own it.
Panther. The Camaro's pre-production name. Not likely.
Z/29. God I hope not.


I am going to guess: Camaro BFH - Bat From Hell
Z/SX u see its a Z/Supercharged Xrossover til new platform
Get a little nostalgia mixed in with the new X block.

I sure would like a heads up so I dont waste effort going for my vanity plate that will no longer fit the bill! Now what the hell do we do to prevent the run and the DMV office... I want to go to the first show it is displayed in.. so anyone with notice , please post!
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Old 01-14-2011, 12:00 AM   #241
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Old 01-14-2011, 12:04 AM   #242
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Freakin' AWESOME NEWS!

FINALLY....we can TALK about it...sheesh....

So...what shall we call it then...

HP
Z28
ZL1
SS?


.......There's a lot of people expecting a "Z28." Hey, I'd want a Z28 too. But, quite frankly, it's not the name that I would be buying. It's the BIGGEST, BADDEST, MOST VICIOUS ANIMAL that has EVER been a Camaro. That alone would make me happy. You'll have your die hards who want Z28. You'll have a lot more enthusiasts scratching your heads, though, if you named it something completely different and out of the blue. I personally think Z28 is the way to go. After all, you can "re-name" it once the Alpha platform comes about. For now, I'd think real hard about this. Z28 works well. ZL1, well that might work for a Camaro with an LS9 and some $100,000 super crazy package. HP Camaro? Nah...

Stick with the Z28. Imagine that badge....back...bad.... EVERY CAR MAG KNOWS IT. EVERY RED BLOODED CAR ENTHUSIAST KNOWS IT.

What are you going to say? Introducing the all new HP Camaro? Crowd claps....wow.

"Now introducing one of the most awaited, most anticipated returns of GM history.....THE Z28!" Ummmm....yeah.... I think this is a no brainer!

Now...wonder what the reasons are for NOT wanting to name it a Z28.

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oh man.........my sides hurt from that round of laughter!


Rumors stop?

When Donkeys fly!!!!!


(.......and Mustangs become real cars........)

(.....sorry - couldn't help myself with that last part......I'll go stand in the corner now.......

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get ready to pay $55,000+ for this....
Probably so...and I wonder what production numbers would be. Doubt they are going to make as many as people would want...which might raise that price.
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Old 01-14-2011, 12:06 AM   #243
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Peace in the Middle East. Shout out to Prima Donna, Jeff Bucknum and the Smokin' Bowties Camaro Club of NJ.

Right back atcha, Francisco...thanks for the mention!!!


I'm with you 100% with enjoying our Camaros...mine is a yr round daily driver...I don't have a spare car to drive in the winter

That being said, we purchased snow tires and 18" wheels last winter, so this is my 2nd winter with the Camaro

If I couldn't drive my Camaro all yr long, I wouldn't be able to do any 'smiley dances' :(

Fortunately, that's not the case, so I'm happy every time I get behind the wheel and turn the key to the happiest car I have ever owned and driven IN MY LIFE!!!

I wouldn't sell mine for all the money in the world, because my HWAY STR means way more to me than money...it is irreplaceable to 'this fan' for too many reasons to list on here right now...just trust me on this


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A few words from the "opposition" if I may. As a blue blooded Ford aficionado, even I can admit to some excitement for the GM camp. Whatever moniker adorns the upcoming Uber Camaro, I have no doubt that it will pack more technology and performance than Chevrolet has ever offered to the public in their version of the pony car. It should be one hell of a ride.

A few things have piqued my interest, most notably, the wheel/tire sizing.

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with the 285/330 combo, the 12 inch wheel plus the 330 rubber would weigh close to 90lbs per wheel, thats almost 30lbs more over stock rears alone.
The GT500 community has been begging Ford to upgrade to similar wheel/tire sizes for a few years now. Ford has increased power and decreased weight, but has done nothing (beyond a move to a 265 up front on an SVT PP GT500) with regards to better traction. A 285 out back has failed miserably at putting power to the ground (and yet there are cries for more power!). As mentioned, the weight of the OP's tire sizes would definitely cross a threshold. Unsprung weight is a NVH killer, along with increased rolling resistance (decreased MPG) via more rubber to the road. As an enthusiast, I'd love to see GM pull this one off, especially in light of the impending "green takeover" looming in the near future. If not, I'm sure that just as S197 owners have to do (rear bumpstop bracket trimming, shock boot elimination, carefully chosen offset specs) Z28 owners will be stuffing the widest possible rubber combinations possible under the fenders.

The battle (as I see it, anyway) won't be which camp has more power. It'll be who can put it to the ground and run with it. May the better car win.

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Ah, the only thing this car misses, is a true forged piston and rods. That's where I envy GT500. BTW, GT500 for MY2013 (production in 2012) will get the TVS2300 @ 600HP.
A couple of things. It would be great if the GT500 came with a traditional or conventional forged rod, but it doesn't. It uses a powder forged rod. I'd love to have had a set of Manley H-beams (ala the style the GT or the '03-'04 Cobra used) but Ford decided not to use them and instead went with a much cheaper, yet fairly adequate rod. The rods are one of the limiting factors in the 5.4 mill at somewhere north of 750-800 horsepower.

Stating that the '13 GT500 will get the TVS is interesting. I keep my ear very close to the ground, and I've yet to see anything from Ford that would hint anything happening in that direction. I've been to the end of the internet (twice, this year alone ) and I find your proclamation a bit weak in the validation department. Don't take it the wrong way, but if you have something to share from Ford's own S197 product development team meetings - I'm all ears.

In conclusion, I'm happy to see you guys getting something more. Aside from the dash, I think the GM design studio has done a heck of a job. Improving the breed even more only encourages the same from the competition. The result of which, we all benefit from. Hopefully, the ridiculous power numbers that have become the norm are more than short lived.

For some perspective into my insight (and vice-versa) I offer a little of my 725hp pig...





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Old 01-14-2011, 12:53 AM   #245
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Oh f**k. I was just joking with her about this yesterday. MRC is just holy balls..

Now if only I can figure out how to finance a $50,000 car loan.
I think It'll be way more than that. I say somewhere from $60-65k.
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oh man.........my sides hurt from that round of laughter!


Rumors stop?

When Donkeys fly!!!!!


(.......and Mustangs become real cars........)

(.....sorry - couldn't help myself with that last part......I'll go stand in the corner now.......

http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/835682-...sail-of-terror


(Now the only thing left to do is make that Mustang real LOL)



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For every dollar over $50,000 my desire to buy goes down exponentially.
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You guys do realize you can option out an SS to be $50,500 RIGHT NOW. Anyone who thinks this new Camaro will be south of $55K, let me have some of what you are smoking.
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What about the ZL-1? Not only does the name have heritage, but is also above the SS brand in terms of the hierarchy.

I never knew what to think about the Z/28 name on the 5th gen. On one hand, it's important (especially among muscle car enthusiasts) to remain true to your roots. On the other hand, the SS has usually been above the Z/28 in terms of performance.

As a side, I'm not a big fan of the engine vents. I think they should have had a functional scoop that looks like the SLP's, or an engine window. Or top it all and do a factory shaker hood.
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