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Old 01-10-2011, 01:19 PM   #26
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Couple of issues here:

Sand is primarily to equalize weight distribution. This is why it's so popular with the pickup truck crowd--especially in light pickups with long beds, there truly isn't enough weight for decent traction in the rear, especially with an open differential.

The Camaro has a very good weight distribution, and I would *not* advise adding weight. Not to mention, it probably makes a mess out of your trunk if any of the bags, tubes, or whatever leak sand.

I would also not advise to drive in snow with traction control ON. Turn it OFF. Contrary to popular belief, traction control does not give you traction, it only cuts power. This is detrimental, say, when you are trying to go up a hill and your only chance of making it is if you keep even pressure on the gas pedal and allow the wheels to spin a bit.

What the Camaro needs in snow is a good set of tires; studded, or winter/all season. Most of all, it needs a confident driver.
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Old 01-11-2011, 06:58 PM   #27
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I'd recommend no more than 1 bag of tube sand, keep it in case you ever get stuck. Otherwise, don't bother.
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My car is usually 57/43, f/r weight distribution. Too little weight in the back makes oversteer harder to control, like a Mustang or truck. If there is weight in the back and you slowly, but surely, go around a corner you have much more control. Like a pickup truck with an empty bed versus with weight in it. Also the weight in the back makes it more stable when going a steady speed in one direction, versus wildly fishtailing if you steer one direction slightly ?
Typically, a pickup is designed to handle best with a partial load in its bed. This is because the trucks are meant to be used as trucks.

In general, adding weight to the back does two, counteracting things with regard to handling. First, its adds rear grip which counters oversteer. Secondly it changes the centre of gravity which, if pushed too far back, will cause the car to be inherently unstable in the corner. It will want to swing out, particularly if there is a single lump of mass in the back (ie, an engine or a lot of sand).

That said, practically every single car on the road today will understeer when pushed, and that includes driving in the snow. In fact for a new car, you usually you have to actively try and induce oversteer by doing things like turning off traction control. If you are encountering oversteer in the winter, drive slower and wait until the wheel is straight before hitting the gas. And get some snow tires.
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Old 01-11-2011, 10:53 PM   #28
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20" Scorpions, scraper and.............awesome,.......never any trouble. Better than my '93 Z/28 with snows!!! DRIVE IT DON'T HIDE IT !
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Old 01-12-2011, 04:44 AM   #29
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Would I drive MY Camaro in snow? Nope. That's what I have a DD for.

Is the Camaro a capable vehicle in the snow? Most definately when equipped with proper tires.

If you are driving in the snow with the stock RS P-Zeroes, you are asking for an accident or a 'Aww man I wrecked my Camaro" thread. It was proven time and again in last winter's threads.

You are spending good money on a vehicle. Spend the extra money on some actual winter tires and save yourself the headaches.
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One says over steer (ass end coming around), another says lifted front end will lose traction in front, causing under steer (pushing straight ahead). Which is it?

Driving slower will solve all traction problems.
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Old 01-12-2011, 07:44 AM   #31
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Tube Steak

I was just about to post how much tube steak, but I re-read the thread and noticed it was sand not steak.
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I have driven my RS in the snow. We dont get much, but I have not had any problems whatsoever driving with the RS 20 inch Pirellis.
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Old 01-12-2011, 09:23 AM   #33
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[QUOTE=1 1/2 fingers gap (used to be 2)

3 fingers gap (used to be 2 1/2)[/QUOTE]

I used this measurement in High School.....

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One says over steer (ass end coming around), another says lifted front end will lose traction in front, causing under steer (pushing straight ahead). Which is it?
Both
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Old 01-12-2011, 03:25 PM   #35
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Well you want me to go out and measure it ? That's the thinking of the designer for the CTS coupe, he used the exact same terminology, he doesn't like "wheel gaps less than 2 1/2 fingers width"(in his very own words he stated this).
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I was just about to post how much tube steak, but I re-read the thread and noticed it was sand not steak.
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Well it helps tremendously in my car, after I left the car wash and got the tires dried, I put it in first and stomped on it for a second, it just hooked up immediately(30 seconds after leaving car wash nonetheless), where I normally get wheel spin. Winter storms on monday, so might as well leave them be(had them out for a while). I can feel the weight when braking though, but the rear seldom kicks out now, feels more stable when cornering...
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