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Old 02-07-2011, 08:30 PM   #251
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Well a credible source informed me that there is a possibility of the following models appearing at this show in Chicago. While I cannot go into detail as to who told me this, I can however share the details.
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it will be "Camaro-based"
which could mean.........
another GM vehicle with Camaro parts to it
another Chevy based on Camaro architecture
an aftermarket Camaro endorsed by GM
a limited edition Camaro
the Camaro Z28
a one-off Camaro
a Chevelle
a Camaro ZL1
a Camaro ZR1
a Beretta
a Camaro hybrid
a Camaro submarine
a Camaro rocket ship
a Camaro racoon
a Camaro-shaped bubble
I will state that I do have very credible sources, and that whatever he says is the shizzzzzzzz!
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Old 02-07-2011, 08:35 PM   #252
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Well a credible source informed me that there is a possibility of the following models appearing at this show in Chicago. While I cannot go into detail as to who told me this, I can however share the details.
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it will be "Camaro-based"
which could mean.........
another GM vehicle with Camaro parts to it
another Chevy based on Camaro architecture
an aftermarket Camaro endorsed by GM
a limited edition Camaro
the Camaro Z28
a one-off Camaro
a Chevelle
a Camaro ZL1
a Camaro ZR1
a Beretta
a Camaro hybrid
a Camaro submarine
a Camaro rocket ship
a Camaro racoon
a Camaro-shaped bubble
I will state that I do have very credible sources, and that whatever he says is the shizzzzzzzz!
I told you not to mention the submarine!
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Old 02-07-2011, 08:38 PM   #253
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I told you not to mention the submarine!
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Old 02-07-2011, 08:39 PM   #254
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Well a credible source informed me that there is a possibility of the following models appearing at this show in Chicago. While I cannot go into detail as to who told me this, I can however share the details.
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it will be "Camaro-based"
which could mean.........
another GM vehicle with Camaro parts to it
another Chevy based on Camaro architecture
an aftermarket Camaro endorsed by GM
a limited edition Camaro
the Camaro Z28
a one-off Camaro
a Chevelle
a Camaro ZL1
a Camaro ZR1
a Beretta
a Camaro hybrid
a Camaro submarine
a Camaro rocket ship
a Camaro racoon
a Camaro-shaped bubble
I will state that I do have very credible sources, and that whatever he says is the shizzzzzzzz!
...there was no mention of the Camaro Stealth Fighter? Awwwww shucks!
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Old 02-07-2011, 08:42 PM   #255
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...there was no mention of the Camaro Stealth Fighter? Awwwww shucks!
Due to development and secrecy on a nation level, GM could not meet the deadline of the beginning of the show. However, you may be able to expect to see it in an upcoming show. The research and current advancements in technology makes developing a product over a long period of time difficult, because you have to make sure your product will be up to date. It is a tough task but with GM's current design team, I think that anything can be done. You can likely expect a release this year.
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Old 02-07-2011, 08:44 PM   #256
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My guess is that it will the Chevy Caprice Police car. That or a sport wagon, that sounds cool. Or maybe the G8 St as it would have been called. After all it was supposed to come over, now it can with a Chevy badge on it. I just hope its not a re-done G8. I love my G8, and would like to keep it a rare bird. I just know, if they re badge it as a Chevy. People will say "nice Chevy man"
GM wont do that, thats like bringing back the Trans Am as a Buick. Its just stupid in so many ways....

If anything, take a look at the Chevrolet Lumina SS thats sold in the Middle East. Another v8 sedan based version of the Holden Commodore, just like your G8 is. That's the closest bet to the next version of the G8 in the states with a Bowtie on it IMO.

But i wouldnt be surprised if the Caprice Police car is there as another vehicle shown by GM.
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:07 PM   #257
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:11 PM   #258
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Well a credible source informed me that there is a possibility of the following models appearing at this show in Chicago. While I cannot go into detail as to who told me this, I can however share the details.
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it will be "Camaro-based"
which could mean.........
another GM vehicle with Camaro parts to it
another Chevy based on Camaro architecture
an aftermarket Camaro endorsed by GM
a limited edition Camaro
the Camaro Z28
a one-off Camaro
a Chevelle
a Camaro ZL1
a Camaro ZR1
a Beretta
a Camaro hybrid
a Camaro submarine
a Camaro rocket ship
a Camaro racoon
a Camaro-shaped bubble
I will state that I do have very credible sources, and that whatever he says is the shizzzzzzzz!

Well heck that narrows it down!!!
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:53 PM   #259
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I would rock the one on the left, looks like a Chevrolet S5. That to me is a good thing.
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Old 02-08-2011, 01:06 AM   #260
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You don't understand how the development of a new car works right?

Extensive R&D would have to be done on any car, no matter what. It's not as simple as change something here and there and all of a sudden you have a brand new car. Creating a new car would be just as expensive as anything, for what?
A car that no one knows if it will sell. A car that has no real heritage behind it.
R&D on a any car, whether it uses the Zeta chassis or not, will cost money.

IF there is a new car based on the Zeta, it's better to do something that has a substantial marketing backing, something that the general public will want.
I know it would cost money to develop a new car, I'm just not sure it would be just as expensive using a majority of the existing Camaro to do it. Nobody knows if it will sell because there hasn't been anything to look at, I think that an Auto show would be the best place to show a new car. I think you missed the whole point of my post, so that GM could continue to make money off the existing platform, the changes to the Zeta were done in 2009 and I would hope that GM would get a little more time out of it before they scraped it...

I was under the impression that this new car being shown at Chicago was going to be "exciting". Is a new Chevelle not exciting? A Chevelle has no heritage behind it? I'm not sure what you mean by that, so you are willing to bet that a new Zeta model, that nobody knows would be a better idea than a nameplate some recognize? or are you hoping that this will be the HP Camaro?
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Not happening.

Even if someone at GM got the idea to bring the Chevelle back, it would still take quite a few years for the car to go into production.
I heard GM started the new Zeta in May 2009 and if GM is putting money into the platform to improve it then anything is possible. As long as the platform work is done and proven to work it would take long to build a whole different car on top of it. It took Steve Saleen 45 days to build Bumblebee from the ground up in 2009 and he used the Sigma I believe. I don't think it would have scored a 5 star crash test rating but it can be done...

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I heard GM started the new Zeta in May 2009 and if GM is putting money into the platform to improve it then anything is possible. As long as the platform work is done and proven to work it would take long to build a whole different car on top of it. It took Steve Saleen 45 days to build Bumblebee from the ground up in 2009 and he used the Sigma I believe. I don't think it would have scored a 5 star crash test rating but it can be done...
Zeta has been around since before the G8 came to this shore. They modified portions of that platform to specifically underpin the Camaro (an anticipated high-volume, high-profile vehicle) and called it "Zeta II" during the cars development through 2007-2009.

Don't let the paper stats fool you. GM gave him a fiberglass concept shell...he bolted it up, hacked the interior together to serve as a movie prop and slapped his name on it...
(And it was a GTO)

I've gotta agree with Fenwick though, if they've got an inkling to bring a NEW....not a rebadged Commodore...RWD sedan to market, it will take the better part of two years. Of course...release date it dependant on when they decided to start development...IF they want to do it....and IF it's a brand new vehicle...
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I heard GM started the new Zeta in May 2009 and if GM is putting money into the platform to improve it then anything is possible. As long as the platform work is done and proven to work it would take long to build a whole different car on top of it. It took Steve Saleen 45 days to build Bumblebee from the ground up in 2009 and he used the Sigma I believe. I don't think it would have scored a 5 star crash test rating but it can be done...
The Holden VE Commodore on Zeta has been around since 2006.
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As an owner of a G8 GT I am very interested in this debut. I would love to see what Chevy does with the Zeta sedan. Of coarse, if it IS a Camaro that would be great as well, as long is its not just some appearance package. I've seen a few post about what folks think this "Chevelle" should look like. Well, in 2008 Holden made a concept called the Coupe 60. This was based on the Zeta platform and looks amazing. I also stumbled across a Buick rendering of this as well. Both cars look great and the Buick would actually be deserving of the GN title. Take a look.



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I love reading these Z28 threads. So much speculation. I guess we'll know for sure tomorrow.
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...there was no mention of the Camaro Stealth Fighter? Awwwww shucks!


No one at GM has even seen that one... 'cause it "Stealth." Get it, you can't confirm what you can't see.

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I know it would cost money to develop a new car, I'm just not sure it would be just as expensive using a majority of the existing Camaro to do it. Nobody knows if it will sell because there hasn't been anything to look at, I think that an Auto show would be the best place to show a new car. I think you missed the whole point of my post, so that GM could continue to make money off the existing platform, the changes to the Zeta were done in 2009 and I would hope that GM would get a little more time out of it before they scraped it...

I was under the impression that this new car being shown at Chicago was going to be "exciting". Is a new Chevelle not exciting? A Chevelle has no heritage behind it? I'm not sure what you mean by that, so you are willing to bet that a new Zeta model, that nobody knows would be a better idea than a nameplate some recognize? or are you hoping that this will be the HP Camaro?
The Camaro was expensive to develop. Even though it was based off of the G8. Which was based off the Holden Zeta platform.
It will cost just as much to develop any other car than it did to develop the Camaro.
And no, the Chevelle has no heritage behind it. In fact it only lives on in the Chevy lineup through the Malibu. How much heritage can the Chevelle line hold, if all that survived it was what used to be nothing more than a trim level.
Sorry, but no a Chevelle is not viable. At least not more than a sporty sedan that both families and enthusiasts can enjoy.
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As an owner of a G8 GT I am very interested in this debut. I would love to see what Chevy does with the Zeta sedan. Of coarse, if it IS a Camaro that would be great as well, as long is its not just some appearance package. I've seen a few post about what folks think this "Chevelle" should look like. Well, in 2008 Holden made a concept called the Coupe 60. This was based on the Zeta platform and looks amazing. I also stumbled across a Buick rendering of this as well. Both cars look great and the Buick would actually be deserving of the GN title. Take a look.



Now That is more appealing than the "Chevelle"
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I'm not sure this has been answered, but is this debut going to be a concept or a production car?
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Long time lurker, first time poster.

As an owner of a G8 GT I am very interested in this debut. I would love to see what Chevy does with the Zeta sedan. Of coarse, if it IS a Camaro that would be great as well, as long is its not just some appearance package. I've seen a few post about what folks think this "Chevelle" should look like. Well, in 2008 Holden made a concept called the Coupe 60. This was based on the Zeta platform and looks amazing. I also stumbled across a Buick rendering of this as well. Both cars look great and the Buick would actually be deserving of the GN title. Take a look.




LOVE the idea of bringing the GNX back!! I never even thought of that; I really hope this comes out. Imagine if somehow GM figured out how to safely and consistantly add boost with a turbo to the 3.6L DI..... maaaan
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Both of those coupes are full of WIN!

No announcements have been made other than they're CAMARO related.
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The Camaro was expensive to develop. Even though it was based off of the G8. Which was based off the Holden Zeta platform.
It will cost just as much to develop any other car than it did to develop the Camaro.
And no, the Chevelle has no heritage behind it. In fact it only lives on in the Chevy lineup through the Malibu. How much heritage can the Chevelle line hold, if all that survived it was what used to be nothing more than a trim level.
Sorry, but no a Chevelle is not viable. At least not more than a sporty sedan that both families and enthusiasts can enjoy.
Just wishful thinking on my part...
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Based on the info I received from my not-to-be-named GM rep... I can all but guarantee that the vehicle unveiled will be the new Impala SS.
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EDIT: what the............................................... .......................? Posted this on page 11....

Anyways... I heard it's going to be a carb'd 454 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight........................................
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My vote is a diesel Camaro with the 2.9 V6 turbo diesel that GM had been working on with 255 hp and 406 lb ft of tq..........Oh wait, GM would never do anything reasonable and put a deisel in anything in America. A car that would hall balls and get close to 40mpg if not more on the highway. It'd never happen though.
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