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Old 02-14-2011, 06:17 PM   #43
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302 Z car

I heard that GM did build a 302 4th gen for testing. Not too sure what components that were used.

I wondered if it was real until I saw a 4th gen in a private collection that was badged as a 302, so assumed that this was perhaps one of the test cars. I don't remember much details, but it had Recaro seats, roll bars and had a Next Generation Year One label across the top of the windshield. I attached the only pics that I shot of it.

Maybe one of the GM people will confirm if it is real.
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Old 02-14-2011, 06:27 PM   #44
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If you have the VIN, put that number through GMVIS @ your local dealer and its "provenance" will appear...
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Old 02-15-2011, 08:02 AM   #45
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To be realistic I think the Z/28 will have to compete with the Boss with this:

- Dry sump LS3. tuned
- Bigger radiator and ZL1 diff cooling
- ZL1 brakes front and rear cooling
- ZL1 drivetrain
- ZL1 Short shifter
- Manual seats
- Dual mode exhaust
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- MR shocks
- Higher rate springs
- More down force over the ZL1
- HUD
- Rear seat deleate
- Rear gear options
- Painted Carbon fiber roof, trunk and hood
- Heat extracted hood
- Fog light deleate w/standard headlights no HID's
- Light weight wheels with damn good tires
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Old 02-15-2011, 09:51 AM   #46
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Don't get your hopes up guys... Z28 would just be one more model to cannibalize sales. Perhaps a COPO style car- made to order, but I just don't see LS, LT, SS, ZL-1 & Z28 all sharing the 5th-gen stage at the same time...
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Old 02-15-2011, 12:43 PM   #47
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I just don't see LS, LT, SS, ZL-1 & Z28 all sharing the 5th-gen stage at the same time...
THIS...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129255

...and the Team's "suggestion" that a "Z/28" is in the works...

As opposed to "cannibalizing sales", how about "encouraging buying/marketing opportunities"?!
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Old 02-15-2011, 12:58 PM   #48
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The thing is that they may wait until the 6th gen to bring the Z28 moniker back into the equation and going off what Ford has done, the retro '60s based design will gradually be killed off so we won't get a modern Z28 in one of the nicest body styles ever used for the Camaro :(. Then there's the Challenger being that the 1st gen was a 5 year one design wounder, they might have to keep that body style or kill off the Challenger model all together . This why I choose to enjoy today's Camaro and not worry about tomorrow's.
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Old 02-15-2011, 01:33 PM   #49
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IMO a BOSS KILLER would be nice, alittle more NA power, lighter car, hardtop only, better sunspion,.
Z/28 ONLY paint sceme (Maybe 6 color option from 1st GEN CHART)...

Priced under a Boss
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Old 02-15-2011, 02:04 PM   #50
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How does introducing a Z/28 "cannibalize" sales?

Doesn't having more options and choices mean more people will be apt to find something that fits their wants and desires, in turn boosting sales?

I don't get that excuse at all...
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Old 02-15-2011, 07:34 PM   #51
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Don't get your hopes up guys... Z28 would just be one more model to cannibalize sales. Perhaps a COPO style car- made to order, but I just don't see LS, LT, SS, ZL-1 & Z28 all sharing the 5th-gen stage at the same time...
Don't forget the Corvette. Base, Grand Sport, Z06, ZR1. Thats not including the different trim levels in each of those different models too with the convertable options in the mix. It depends on what you want and what you can afford.
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Old 03-03-2011, 09:24 PM   #52
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Any info on how much lighter the alfa platform is fi g to be? Hopefully 3500 any more and this will be the last camaro I'll e v er buy.
A Mustang GT500 weighs in at 3,820. A ZR1 weighs 3,330. A 3,500 pound Camaro would have to be the same size as a Vette.
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Old 03-03-2011, 09:46 PM   #53
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the New Laguna Seca Boss 302 weighed in at 3620. so it isn't THAT much lighter than the Camaro.
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Old 03-06-2011, 06:32 PM   #54
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could a new Z28 weigh less than 3,750 lbs.? if so how?
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could a new Z28 weigh less than 3,750 lbs.? if so how?
Number 3 detailed how to take weight out of a 5th Gen at the OE level and came up with 150 pounds in weight savings which translates to 3,710 sans driver and fuel. Add 65 pounds for fuel and 180 pounds for a driver and your track ready at 3,955 pounds. The Pedders USA Camaro hits the track at 4,180 pounds. The 225 pounds difference is in the supercharger and fluid coolers after weight reductions in wheels, exhaust and suspension. The theoretical vehicle #3 was 'building' had the benefit of thinner glass and a variety of other small reductions i.e. the fuel door latch.
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Like the Corvette ZR-1 you could fabricate the two Camaro sub-frames in something other than steel to get the weight down quite a bit. They did the ZR-1 frame in aluminum to save weight. Just a thought.
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