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Old 02-22-2011, 05:02 PM   #1
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wheel hop-what to do to stop

just looking at the best arms to install on my 6 speed ss,would like to add some power adder to this later in my camaros life.

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Old 02-22-2011, 05:09 PM   #2
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Everyone is going to tell you that whatever they have on their car is the best. You just need to look at the different Mfg and make your own decisions based on quality and price.

I went with Spohn and have been completely happy. Had wheel hop at the track and these took it away. Of course rearend bushings are going to be something to consider as well as Toe Rods. My personal take is Trailing Arms first....they are cheapest and easy to install. Then Rearend bushings. Then Toe Rods.

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Old 02-22-2011, 05:26 PM   #3
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I don't lnow what you have done to your car already but I would start with the rear sub frame bushings and the rear diff. bushings they are a must do on the new camaro's if you are doing any type of racing,then build from there.
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:30 PM   #4
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Give this article from our blog a read. It explains what all contributes to wheel hop and gives stepped recommendations for curing it. If you have any questions feel free to hit me up.
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Old 02-23-2011, 04:50 AM   #5
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I have BMR rear trailing arms and no wheel hop.
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Old 02-23-2011, 05:18 AM   #6
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Give this article from our blog a read. It explains what all contributes to wheel hop and gives stepped recommendations for curing it. If you have any questions feel free to hit me up.
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Old 02-23-2011, 10:44 AM   #7
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There are a few ways to go about getting rid of wheel hop and every situation is different depending on certain variables. I would start out by putting a set of BMR trailing arms (TCA026) on the car, they are inexpensive and very easy to install and a lot of times will completely take care of wheel hop. If the car is a manual transmision car or is making a good bit of power it may take more like our BMR toe rods (TR002) and BMR pro rear cradle bushing kit (BK030). Give us some details on the car and I can definitely lead you in the right direction.

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Old 02-23-2011, 10:46 AM   #8
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shocks ... Talk to Sam Strano...look him up on the internet.. auto-x champ for years and fbody suspension guru.. he'll tell you shocks are the answer
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Old 02-23-2011, 11:12 AM   #9
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Spohn here , no wheel hop.
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Old 02-23-2011, 11:55 AM   #10
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We have had a ton of customers come to us with this very same problem. We are happy to say that our trailing arm solution mitigates any type of wheel hop you have, just like the article that Chase posted.

The Pfadt trailing arm takes a different approach to the design, and comes with the added bonus of being licensed by General Motors Performance Parts. Take a look below.





Designing this part to be both lighter weight and higher strength then the factory component proved to be rather difficult, but was well worth the time involved, as we feel it resulted in the best replacement trailing arm on the market.

Here are some details:
300% strength increase in tension and compression
65% reduction in deflection
20% weight reduction each, including bushings (take a look at the comparison pictures!)
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Old 02-23-2011, 04:36 PM   #11
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Wheel hop isn't just one part. It is in the drive-line and suspension. It is influenced by driving style, wheels and tires. It is a harmonic instability that starts small and reverberates, grows and finally explodes into potentially destructive vibration. Before we start selling you parts, maybe we should ask you about your particular situation?

1. What is your RWHP?
2. What is your wheel and tire package?
3. Is the wheel hop at the track or on the street?
4. Is the wheel hop temperature sensitive? ie. cold days, goes away when your tires are hot...
5. What RPMs are you luanching at?
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Old 02-23-2011, 05:44 PM   #12
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Not sure if that was sarcasm or not, but if you read the article it more than answers the questions in his title and in his post. In part...

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Curing Camaro Wheel Hop

All the horsepower in the world will not make your car faster if it can not transfer that power to the pavement. 5th generation Camaro SS owners, especially those with cars that are extensively modified, are quickly learning this due to the dreaded “wheel hop”. Wheel hop is a violent and potentially damaging condition that typically occurs when the car is launched aggressively and has been described as feeling like the rear tires are driving rapidly over rail road ties. It is very simply a rapid and repeated loss and recovery of traction.


When a car begins to accelerate various bushings and suspension/chassis components deflect. Under normal driving conditions this flexing is negligible but when the car is launched aggressively the deflection causes significant toe changes which reduce the contact patch of the rear tires. This leads to a reduction in traction and momentary wheel slippage which alleviates the toe changes and allows the rear tires to regrip. The vicious circle then continues as the suddenly improved traction again results in deflection and toe changes leading to wheel slippage. The frequency of the cycle is so rapid that it feels like the rear of the car is riding on jack hammers.



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Getting rid of wheel hop is pretty easy for most Camaro SS owners. It is all about limiting the movement of the rear tires in relation to the chassis under acceleration.....
It goes on to provide specific recommendations for different scenarios.
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Old 02-23-2011, 05:46 PM   #13
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Old 02-24-2011, 12:52 AM   #14
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All the suspension vendors here will provide a good solution for wheel hop by providing their rear trailing arms.

The main question you want to ask yourself is: "Which one looks the best?"

My answer: PFADT

They look awesome under your car cause they resemble a real structural member.
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Old 02-24-2011, 05:17 AM   #16
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All the suspension vendors here will provide a good solution for wheel hop by providing their rear trailing arms.

The main question you want to ask yourself is: "Which one looks the best?"

My answer: PFADT

They look awesome under your car cause they resemble a real structural member.
They work pretty well too.
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Old 02-24-2011, 06:26 AM   #17
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Automatic trans swap = No wheel hop at 536rwhp w/ stock suspension!: Just kidding, I`ve used BMR stuff in the past on my 4th gen and it got rid of wheelhop I had w/ that car. They make very good stuff and a decent price. Those Pfadt trailing arms look really nice though!
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Wheel hop isn't just one part. It is in the drive-line and suspension. It is influenced by driving style, wheels and tires. It is a harmonic instability that starts small and reverberates, grows and finally explodes into potentially destructive vibration. Before we start selling you parts, maybe we should ask you about your particular situation?

1. What is your RWHP?
2. What is your wheel and tire package?
3. Is the wheel hop at the track or on the street?
4. Is the wheel hop temperature sensitive? ie. cold days, goes away when your tires are hot...
5. What RPMs are you luanching at?

A lot of things can contribute to this nasty problem, take a complete approach. I have seen some cars that trailing arms wont fix, some even had to go on to diff bushings and subframe bushings. It just depends on the car and driver. Pete is very knowlegable, and is more than happy to help. I can honestly say he is not just about selling a part, he wants to make a customer.
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Old 02-24-2011, 03:28 PM   #19
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Always start with fondation. Pedders sub fram inserts or bushings and diff bushing has worked for the cars we prep.
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If you asked me what the absolute first suspension mod should be for any customer doing any form of driving I would say cradle bushings. The soft OE bushings not only contribute to wheel hop but also create an unstable platform for the entire suspension and driveline. Replacing them with full poly bushings or upgrading them with poly inserts fixes multiple issues, not just one problem.

Since you specifically asked what is the best thing to cure wheel hop I will say Trailing Arms. Regardless of what transmission you have, how aggressive you drive, or how much horsepower you are making Trailing Arms will be the single most effective solution to eliminating your wheel hop. I would say that 90% of our customers eliminate their wheel hop just by installing Trailing Arms. The other 10% eliminated it by also adding cradle bushings and differential bushings...

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