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Old 02-14-2009, 08:52 AM   #1
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Question 2nd gen Firebird

my mom and i were running errands yesterday, and we spotted a second gen firebird (70-73 i think) sitting in the back of a local garage/dealer's lot. we stopped and i took a quick peek at it. there was a for sale sign in the window... 1200 bucks. I didn't see any *noticable* rust, it needs a bit of work, (repainted, new seats, etc) i didn't get a chance to look at the engine bay, but it looks solid. I'm gonna be getting my taxes back in like 2 weeks, and I'm thinking about buying it. Is there anything that I should look for that would make it not worth buying?
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just got back from the garage, I talked to the owner, and found out a few more things. it's a 1973, has a 400 ci V8 and a 400 turbo tranny. the guy said it ran good when he got it, and it has been sitting there for a bit. he asked if i wanted to take it home, and i told him i was thinking about it. he said 800 bucks and it's mine. looked at the undercarriage, and it has some surface rist, but nothing too bad.

any input on the quirks or red flags that i should be aware of would be helpful and appreciated. I'm gonna try to get the car after i get my taxes back. (should be like 2 weeks).
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Old 02-14-2009, 09:54 PM   #2
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a car like tht for 800? id say go for it. but a couple of words of advice: 1-ask if u can take it out for a COUPLE of drives before u buy it. this is not only to make sure it runs well, but try to pay attention to any noises tht sound out of the ordinary, and if u notice something, mention it to the owner, and see if u can figure out wat it might be. 2- if u plan on fixing it up, take stock of wat needs to be done, and how much u can spend on it. 3- if u want to save even more money, just do wat my grandpa did for my camaro. the guy wanted 800 for it. my grandpa offered him 200 lol. he lowered his price to 550, and i was able to afford some other stuff on it.
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Old 02-15-2009, 12:35 AM   #3
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the original price on the sign was 1200, and the guy asked me if i wanted to drive it home. I said if i had the money i might, then he said 800 takes it. my mom told me this guy has a rep for being firm with his prices, but i can try to get him to take less. also I'm thinking about trying to con my mom into calling overhaulin' and trying to get it on the show if i get it. i know, I'm not supposed to know about it if it were to happen, but foose's designg are amazing...
And I'm not sure if i can drive it, the driver' side rear tire is flat, and dry rotted all over the sidewall. it needs new rubber, but i'f the tire will hold air, it may be ok for a test drive or two.
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is it manual, or auto?
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auto. (Unfortunately) but i dont care... for the price, i cant beat that...
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A '73 that is drivable with a 400 and a TH400 for under a grand? I say, get it.
When I had a '73 T/A, I also had a '73 firebird as a parts car.
After I sold my T/A, I also sold the parts car. I got $500 for the parts car!

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as i said, it needs tlc, but the guy who owns the garage said that it ran good when he parked it, and the writing on the for sale sign hasn't faded, so it hasn't been sittig there for too long.

would there be any visible way to tell if it is an espirit firebird?
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as i said, it needs tlc, but the guy who owns the garage said that it ran good when he parked it, and the writing on the for sale sign hasn't faded, so it hasn't been sittig there for too long.

would there be any visible way to tell if it is an espirit firebird?
On the V.I.N. plate is visible through the windshield on the driver's side dash panel decodes as follows on 1972 - 1980 models:

1st digit: GM line number:
Pontiac=2
2nd digit: Series number:
S=Base Firebird
T=Esprits
U=Formula
V=Trans Am (1972-74)
W=Trans Am (1975-1980)
X=10th Anniversary Trans Am (1979)
X=Turbo Indy Trans Am (1980)
3rd and 4th digit: Body type number:
87=Sport Coupe
5th digit: Engine code:
A=231 c.i.d. 2-bbl V6 (1978-80)
C=231 c.i.d. 2-bbl V6 (1977)
D=250 c.i.d. 1-bbl L6 (1972-76)
G=305 c.i.d. 2-bbl V8 (1979)
H=305 c.i.d. 4-bbl V8 (1975)
H=305 c.i.d. 4-bbl V8 (1980)
J=350 c.i.d. 4-bbl V8 (1976)
K=403 c.i.d. 4-bbl V8 (1977-79)
L=350 c.i.d. 4-bbl V8 (1978)
M=350 c.i.d. 2-bbl V8, single exh. (1972-76)
N=350 c.i.d. 2-bbl V8, dual exh. (1972-74)
R=400 c.i.d. 2-bbl V8, single exh. (1972-74)
P=400 c.i.d. 2-bbl V8, dual exh. (1973-74)
P=350 c.i.d. 4-bbl V8 (1977)
R=350 c.i.d. 4-bbl V8 (1977)
S=400 c.i.d. 4-bbl V8 (1975-76)
S=265 c.i.d. 2-bbl V8 (1980)
T=400 c.i.d. 4-bbl V8, dual exh. (1972-74)
T=301 c.i.d. TC 4-bbl V8 (Turbo) (1980)
U=305 c.i.d. 2-bbl V8 (1978)
W=455 c.i.d. 4-bbl V8 (1975-76)
W=301 c.i.d. 4-bbl V8 (1979-80)
X=455 c.i.d. 300 hp 4-bbl V8 H.O. (1972)
X=455 c.i.d. 4-bbl V8 S.D. (1973-74)
Y=455 c.i.d. 4-bbl V8 (1973-74)
Y=301 c.i.d. 2-bbl V8 (1977, 1979)
Y=301 c.i.d. 4-bbl V8 T/A 4.9 (1980)
Z=400 c.i.d. 4-bbl V8 (1977-79)
6th digit: Last digit of the model year:
2=1972
3=1973
4=1974
5=1975
6=1976
7=1977
8=1978
9=1979
A=1980
7th digit: Assembly plant location:
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N=Norwood, Ohio
8th through 13th digits: Sequential
production number starting with 500001
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Thanks, I'm writing that stuff down and I'l update tomorrow, as to what the bird was when it was factory...
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DUDE!!!!!


buy the thing. if he's already dropped 400 off the price. buy it. even if the motor is seized up and its got surface rust. give him the 800 bucks and take her home! why are you on here asking about it? go BUY IT!!!!!!!!!!!
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spikes got a point, ur not gonna do better than tht. the only kind of car tht is better than tht r ones tht are usually newer, and WAY more expensive. go for it, and just enjoy the fact tht u own an f-body, and got it for 800!! o, and once u get it, get some pics up! im excited to see this thing! i dont care wat kinda shape its in. mine isnt in good shape, i just try to see its potential!
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DUDE!!!!!


buy the thing. if he's already dropped 400 off the price. buy it. even if the motor is seized up and its got surface rust. give him the 800 bucks and take her home! why are you on here asking about it? go BUY IT!!!!!!!!!!!
true, the thing's i worried about are finding that the frame is rotted, or something else is terminally damaged, and the car won't make it more that a few hundred miles. I'm gonna get it. I cant pass it up. ricers beware... there gonnabe another bird on the prowl...

P.S. Thankx spike. i kinda needed a kick in the @ss to get me going.
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or was i a falcon punch to the head? either way, it worked, I'll get pics tomorrow, and get them posted asap.
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i found a pic online, not the actual car, but same color and year, at least you will all get a taste of what I'm looking at.
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auto. (Unfortunately) but i dont care... for the price, i cant beat that...
Hey now, don't be disapointed in the th-400, those were hell of an automatic. Have one in my 1969 buick LeSabre 400, runs nicely. However, i do understand the fun factor of the manuel.

But as spike said...BUY IT! Sounds like a hell of a deal.. Good luck.
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I don't mind that its auto, my gf knows how to drive stick, but hates it, so she wont mind it either. and if i really wanted to, i'm sure i could get a 6-speed stick to put in there. it's a lot of work, but it would be worth it.
I cant wait to drive it.
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I don't mind that its auto, my gf knows how to drive stick, but hates it, so she wont mind it either. and if i really wanted to, i'm sure i could get a 6-speed stick to put in there. it's a lot of work, but it would be worth it.
I cant wait to drive it.
Most definitely, love driving manuel myself Have u bought it yet, or still waiting on the details? Would be nice to see some pics soon.
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I'll get the pics tomorrow. and hopefully get the hood open and get some pics of the engine too
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2S87M3N122270 is the vin. It's got a 2 barrel carb on a 350, but that's ok with me.
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true, the thing's i worried about are finding that the frame is rotted, or something else is terminally damaged, and the car won't make it more that a few hundred miles. I'm gonna get it. I cant pass it up. ricers beware... there gonnabe another bird on the prowl...

P.S. Thankx spike. i kinda needed a kick in the @ss to get me going.
its not terminally damaged. there is a lot of bondo work that has been done to the car that will need to be replaced.

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or was i a falcon punch to the head? either way, it worked, I'll get pics tomorrow, and get them posted asap.
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why wouldnt that be ok? granted a 4bbl might allow a little more fuel/air in. it could also flood it out.




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i'm planning on getting it sandblasted, and fixing the body panels. It's gonna look like a chump for a while, but i don't care.

also thinking about gatting ahold of my cousin, and buying the 650cfm holley 4 barrel fuel injected carbuerater that he has. it has a computer control unit to regulate it, you can change the fuel/air mix, and how aggressive it makes the engine... he said he wanted 100 bucks for it last year.
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u got tht for 800 bucks? MAN!!! thts in pretty damn good shape for how old it is! hows the interior? dude, with some tlc, and of course lots of time and money, tht could look AMAZING!!!!! were kinda in the same boat now(unless u hav a lot of money, which i definitely dont hav lol) good luck fixin' her up!!!!!!!!
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don't have the cash yet. I'm gonna try to sell my guitars again. I have 2 that my g/f has up in ny that are for sale...
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wat kind of guitars do u hav? i had to sell my 77 fender strat to get my camaro. i still hav an 87 les paul and a new strat tho, so im ok lol
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I have a BC Rich platinum Pro series Beast, and an ESP/LTD F-200. also have an epiphone strat copy, and a yamaha 12 string (gorgeous see through cherry burst, with gold hadware). also have a yamaha RBX 550 bass.
i'm selling the beast, and bass.
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