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Old 03-09-2011, 03:06 PM   #1
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Arrow GILMOUR's 427 LSX Detroit-Muscle [COTW 4/16/12]

Gilmour's DET-MSL CGM 427 LSX 2SS/RS/PC

708rwhp 687rwtq @ 6500 with 13.5lbs boost

Hey everyone...

Guess I finally should make my own journal seeing how I have just about wrapped up everything I can do to the car… minus a few surprises.

Pre-Camaro - Meeting Scott Settlemire



Quick history lesson of my car... DET-MSL (Detroit Muscle)

I ordered my car in November 2008, because the Austin salesmen were not on the top of their game, I was “forced” to order from Classic Chevy up in Grapevine Texas. August 5th 2009 I flew up to Dallas and was picked up by Toby and chauffeured back to base to pick up my new baby.





I decided that I am going to leave my car cosmetically stock for the most part. It is gonna be a sleeper!
Although I have not been able to stick to the plan, I feel I have I really mastered the low key detail points that really make the car pop!
  • Installed 15% Ceramic Tint
  • Painted calipers red
  • 427 LSX stainless emblems
  • My license plate! (DET-MSL) I am pretty proud of it. I have so much love for my home state of Michigan.








I knew I was not going to leave the car stock for long. I was debating between a Turbo setup and a Procharger, but when my turbo guy got backed up with work, the choice came clear. 3000 miles and about 6 months later (I only get to drive on the weekends) I felt she was broke in enough to send her to the speed shop. After a couple weeks of searching and exchanging emails with numerous shops I decided that Xtreme Horsepower out of the DFW area was the way to go. Turns out I was wrong, but more on that to come.

Working with Cody and Arvil from XtremeHP was all done virtually. My car was over 200 miles away from Austin, in DFW and I was usually 1400 miles away from both. I was working in Virginia at the time. Cody helped me make all of the decisions through email and over the phone. He was always there when I had questions of concerns.

I knew I wanted to go with a Procharger, it is a favorite of some of my friends up in MI, so I thought I would continue the tradition. First order of business was choosing my parts. Do I get the P1SC Procharger or the bigger D1SC? Well, I did what any logical gearhead would do and got the big one... $200 upgrade.. why the hell not. So first purchase, D1SC Procharger. Next purchase, exhaust... how will it breath? I was first told about Kooks exhaust by Bob over at EPP, so I brought that up to Cody and he agreed that this set up would definitely push some air. We went with the 1 7/8 inch Kooks long tube headers, Kooks highflow cats, Kooks mufflers, Kooks tips and 3 inch pipe all the way and it looks amazing.

I dropped my car off February 7th 2010 and told Arvil to go to town and that I would be back in two weeks to pick her up. Cody kept me up to date throughout the build by sending a few teaser pics here and there. Just a day or two into the second week all the parts were on the car and they were getting ready to strap it to the dyno. I was excited over the weekend, couldn't wait to hear some decent video and see the dyno numbers, but luckily I was in Vegas and was able to keep myself distracted

When Cody emailed me and said to check the build thread I pulled Camaro5 up on my phone and checked...

DET-MSL and the D1SC with the Kooks put down 607 rear wheel horsepower at 6000rpm. Arvil said he was not expecting numbers like that. I even purchased the smaller 4.25in pulley so we could make some more boost, come to find out though, they didn't even use it. The stock pulley made 9psi, which was enough for the stock LS3.

The next few weeks went pretty well, I was really been enjoying the car. The sound of that procharger winding up was amazing... unfortunately when it does start spinning fast the fuel gauge moves almost as fast as the speedometer does.

Headed to CamaroFest! Great time... great people... new shopping list. haha
  • MTI Racing Shifter (installed at the fest, fest discount)
  • BMR Sway bars, Trailing Arms, 1 inch lowering springs (fest discount!)
  • Scott Settlemire signature on the driver side strut







Brother and Sister's cars


MORE CAMARO FEST




EPIC Fest Videos for your viewing pleasure





AFTER THE FEST :(

Coming back from the C5Fest I started hearing a knock, we trailered it back to Dallas… 3 hrs away. When they found the time they pulled the heads off and found, this! Ugly huh.



Most of you know my story from here on out, so I will just put a brief paragraph summing it up.

So less than 3 months after dropping $,$$$ for this setup I have a junked motor. The pistons were "scarred" "burnt" however you want to describe damage from being very lean. I attribute this to a bad tune and the fact that we were making 607 and Arvil didn’t think that we needed to touch the fuel system.

I am not much for confrontation, so I was like ok ok, whatever. XHP did not take any blame what so ever (even after some employees sided with me). Stupidly I decided to have them work on my next motor. Mostly because the car was already there and I lived 3hrs away.


$$,$$$ later... I have a ...
  • Procharged 427 LSX
  • Monster Stage 5 single disc cluctch
  • Upgraded fuel system with Livernois Dual fuel pump assembly
  • KB BAP
  • Lots of BMR
  • and some misc trinkets










aaaand that didnt even make 650rwhp. XHP blamed it on the air temp/humidity. OOOOK.

Now I need to call out a special friend here... I met Keith (Camaro21) only one time, at Camaro Fest, and we spoke on the boards here and there. He followed another thread of mine and saw that I was stuck in Austin and had to go all the way to Dallas. Well this S.O.B. drove all the way to Austin (leaving Dallas at 4am, I was still at the bars) to pick me up, only to turn around and drive all the back to drop me off at the shop.

Then the shop "forgot" to align my wheels after the suspension upgrade so Keith took me over to one of the Mechanic shops he runs and had them do it for free.... I am forever in debt and a friend to this guy.... Thanks buddy!

I cant find a pic of us together, so here is one of him, and one of the snack bag his lovely wife made me for my trip home.





SOOOO... I left the shop and 400 miles from the shop my car dies dead on the side of the road. It took me 5hrs to find the 1 fuse they had on the WHOLE dual pump setup. I was not happy. Within 24 hrs after leaving the shop I had a rear main seal leak and found that they forgot to fully bolt together the trailing arm on the passenger side.

I do not live in Dallas so I was not able to take it back right away to get the oil leak taken care of. When I did get back to the shop, in addition to the oil leak and the potential deadly trailing arm mistake, I learned they forgot to put in all of the BMR parts I had purchased even though they charged me for install.

Strike 3 or was it 7... Either way the last straw was when Arvil personally told me that they would charge me $350 to drop the tranny to replace the rear main seal (That they put it backwards).

[update: Driveshaft was actually missing a bolt as well]

GOODBYE XTREME, thanks for emptying my bank account. double
Cody... still a good guy, thanks bud

ALRIGHT, for the next 7 months I drive my car, I love it. Minus the weak HP numbers for a 427 LSX and the oil leak. I was able to help a few friends out with their photography portfolios and get some really badass pics in the process.

















After going to Camaro Nationals with my Houston Crew (Da Hose, Camaro21, DangerruSS, SSE 4 2SS, and MANY more) this fall I was introduced to Owen Priest from A.R.D. I was impressed with his car, customer cars, his presence in the Houston Camaro community, and the way he took the time to talk to me about doing some work and getting my car back in shape.

In the next few weeks I had Owen install the Hendrix 1400hp halfshafts and look the car over to see what he will need to fix after the other shop had it. Over the next month or two I have taken my car to ARD three times to start working the kinks out of the car.

First trip – Hendrix 1400hp axels



Second trip – Fix Procharger belt alignment, Drop to smallest Procharger Pulley size, retune, install 50mm Tial blowoff valve. We also realized that the build was put together with too small of injectors and were running lean over 5500rpm.

(insert pics of pulley, Tial)

Third trip – Fix rear main seal leak, install FAST 85lb injectors, Install ADM Boost/AF Gauge









April 1, 2011 -
New tires... finally something a bit more stout. Nitto 315/35/20s




Photoshoot and interview with www.unreal360.com on 4/11/11. More pics on the way.


Added the Striker Cold Shot Meth/Water Injection Kit



Had the BMR Full Rear Bushing Kit installed along with Toe Rods, Sub Frame connectors, and tunnel brace to go along with the BMR Sway Bars, Trailing Arms and Suspension drop





Future Plans (updated 3/10/2011)
  • Upgrade to F1 Procharger
  • Some sort of tire and wheel (need help deciding!)
  • Then… good grief, will I be done?


So there you have it… the long… drawn out process that is DET-MSL
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Old 03-09-2011, 03:23 PM   #2
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Wow... That was a good read. I never knew what was wrong with your car, just that you weren't happy with it. Will be cool to see what Owen will get out of it. He is the man!
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Old 03-09-2011, 03:24 PM   #3
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dude, Man way uncool the way you were treated... Glad to hear Owen is gonna get you straight.

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Will be cool to see what Owen will get out of it. He is the man!
Yea.. he is great.. its there now. Hope to get some decent Dyno numbers from him tonight.

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I know.. next time either of us are in the same city.. its on.

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dude, Man way uncool the way you were treated... Glad to hear Owen is gonna get you straight.
thanks... yea.. live and learn. Hope to update tonight or tomorrow with some new HP numbers... stay tuned
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Yea.. he is great.. its there now. Hope to get some decent Dyno numbers from him tonight.



I know.. next time either of us are in the same city.. its on.



thanks... yea.. live and learn. Hope to update tonight or tomorrow with some new HP numbers... stay tuned
I knew this thread would blow up.. Bout damn time you got this journal going... now all we need is Hose to bless it

And I just told Sue I was coming home tonight... I think I'm going by to check out some dynos... and my car too...

That ADM gauge is sweet...
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glad i was able to put those 427 emblems on straight without you!
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Yea.. he is great.. its there now. Hope to get some decent Dyno numbers from him tonight.
Thats what I heard! Awesome I can't wait to see the numbers. Later this year he is going to hook me up with a torque converter and a tune for my V6.
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Sucks you had to go through what you did, but at least you have a 427LSX now.
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Hey you two... look at the pic of my Gauges.. Shardik.. i know you have these too.. was the bracket on yours as crooked as it is on mine?

I just assumed that the steering column must be at an angle or something so then had to build them crooked.

See the space between the top edge and the two screens? very angled.

anyone else notice that?
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Hey you two... look at the pic of my Gauges.. Shardik.. i know you have these too.. was the bracket on yours as crooked as it is on mine?

I just assumed that the steering column must be at an angle or something so then had to build them crooked.

See the space between the top edge and the two screens? very angled.

anyone else notice that?
I thought it looked angled when I first looked at it, but then I figured that was just me.

Here are a couple pics of mine.





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Hey you two... look at the pic of my Gauges.. Shardik.. i know you have these too.. was the bracket on yours as crooked as it is on mine?

I just assumed that the steering column must be at an angle or something so then had to build them crooked.

See the space between the top edge and the two screens? very angled.

anyone else notice that?
Guarantee Andy made it that way, his stuff is engineered perfectly... and Owen can fix it if not...

Sure wish I would have made the first pic in this thread... Here's mine from the same day...
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Guarantee Andy made it that way, his stuff is engineered perfectly... and Owen can fix it if not...

Sure wish I would have made the first pic in this thread... Here's mine from the same day...
Yea... i have faith in Andy, but it sure looks crooked when out of the box.

That was the same day wasnt it! Did we meet that day? Its hard to remember.. i kind of blacked out after i sat in the IOM 2SS

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Here are a couple pics of mine.
hmm, well thats weird.. mine looks crooked.. well yours sort of does too in the first pic. Guess it will fit.. or we will leave it up to Owen to make sure it works.
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That was the same day wasnt it! Did we meet that day? Its hard to remember.. i kind of blacked out after i sat in the IOM 2SS



hmm, well thats weird.. mine looks crooked.. well yours sort of does too in the first pic. Guess it will fit.. or we will leave it up to Owen to make sure it works.
I never laid eyes on mine in person, but they both look slightly crooked. Maybe it's the angle of your pic because it looks slightly more crooked than mine. Either way, it'll look good once it's in because mine sure does. You'll love it!

Side note, I need to call the tech support line of the company that makes the gauges. My AFR gauge has recently started bouncing all over the damn place. I'll be idling and it'll jump from 11 to 19 to 14 to 10.....and it's even gotten stuck at 47.5 on a few occasions. I spoke with Andy and he said that it was odd for it to do that, but that it may need calibrated.
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Maybe it's the angle of your pic because it looks slightly more crooked than mine.

I spoke with Andy and he said that it was odd for it to do that, but that it may need calibrated.
maybe.. but that the crookedness is still there head on. you can see the difference in distance from screen to edge.
Hmm, that is weird.. something needs to be calibrated for sure

but enough about that... I am sure it will be perfect once on.
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Bro, I'm glad you finally got this going.... Cant wait to see you again, it's been forever... I leave Saturday for Brazil... But I feel confident we can hook up as soon as I get back. I'll only be gonee three weeks this time... so I'll be home around the 5th off April...Get to pick Brandi up then...
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Kyle,

You left out the part where a guy from Dallas that you didn't know that well came to Austin and picked you up and brought you back to Dallas to get your car (that wasn't ready yet) and aligned the car for ya. I can't remember that guys name off the top of my head, but I heard he is AWESOME !!
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Bro, I'm glad you finally got this going.... Cant wait to see you again, it's been forever... I leave Saturday for Brazil... But I feel confident we can hook up as soon as I get back. I'll only be gonee three weeks this time... so I'll be home around the 5th off April...Get to pick Brandi up then...
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You left out the part where a guy from Dallas that you didn't know that well came to Austin and picked you up and brought you back to Dallas to get your car (that wasn't ready yet) and aligned the car for ya. I can't remember that guys name off the top of my head, but I heard he is AWESOME !!

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Glad to see this thread finally come up!
just in case you guys dont know who i am this is Cody Smith that Kyle is talking about
i am no longer at xtreme and have not been there since August of 2010 glad to not be there any more allot of stuff happened that i did not agree with and took allot of crap i had nothing to do with.
Kyle is a awesome guy and im glad to stay a great friend, the car turned out amazing man next time your in DFW let me know gotta go for a ride. Also if any of you guys have questions please feel free to pm me, anyone that has met me and talked to me knows that i am a honest up front tell it how it is guy i dont beat around the bush or rip people off
I don't want my name to be associated with xhp and the bad rap that they have because i had nothing to do with the bad rep that they have, i have always been honest and up front with everyone i dealt with and will do that the rest of my life even if that costs me my job, in the end what goes around comes around and i am a strong believer in this. i have been screwed over in the past and i know how it feels, everyone i ever dealt with while working there i treated them the same way i would be expected to be treated.
sorry about the rant guys i just want to make sure everyone knows that i had nothing to do with what had been going on there i did not agree with what was going on and in the end cost me my job but hey i move on and i am doing better now than i would have ever been there
if you guys need anything or have any questions for me please ask them
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My last few nights in town, thought I would spend them with Debbie...
Thanks for the offer though...and if we can work out the details, I'll be shipping my 18 inch wheels and tires to joes nephews house in Chandler... That will save me from driving the rubber off of them on the way out there...

We need to get together on a departure time from Austin for the 13th... My plan is to go through JC, Fred, and Harper, on to IH 10 near Segovia and meet up with the SA Houston etc folks before Junction... I'm figuring around an 8:00 to 8:30 departure time... Maybe we hook up at the Homedepot in Dripping Springs... meet up with Happy Pappy and head out...
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We need to get together on a departure time from Austin for the 13th... My plan is to go through JC, Fred, and Harper, on to IH 10 near Segovia and meet up with the SA Houston etc folks before Junction... I'm figuring around an 8:00 to 8:30 departure time... Maybe we hook up at the Homedepot in Dripping Springs... meet up with Happy Pappy and head out...
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I'll second that.. thanks for all that you did do Cody.
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just in case you guys dont know who i am this is Cody Smith that Kyle is talking about
Glad to hear you've moved on and up.. Kudos to you...

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That was the same day wasnt it! Did we meet that day? Its hard to remember.. i kind of blacked out after i sat in the IOM 2SS
Same day... we met briefly as I was talking to your buddy that was there with you. I was there w/ Superman09 from College Station...

...and yes the IOM w/ CGM stripes had us all drooling


Shoot me your flight info and I'll pick you up... I need to go that way and see how my car is progressing too...


P.S. I heard they took yours off the Dyno so mine could go on first...
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just in case you guys dont know who i am this is Cody Smith that Kyle is talking about
i am no longer at xtreme and have not been there since August of 2010 glad to not be there any more allot of stuff happened that i did not agree with and took allot of crap i had nothing to do with.
Kyle is a awesome guy and im glad to stay a great friend, the car turned out amazing man next time your in DFW let me know gotta go for a ride. Also if any of you guys have questions please feel free to pm me, anyone that has met me and talked to me knows that i am a honest up front tell it how it is guy i dont beat around the bush or rip people off
I don't want my name to be associated with xhp and the bad rap that they have because i had nothing to do with the bad rep that they have, i have always been honest and up front with everyone i dealt with and will do that the rest of my life even if that costs me my job, in the end what goes around comes around and i am a strong believer in this. i have been screwed over in the past and i know how it feels, everyone i ever dealt with while working there i treated them the same way i would be expected to be treated.
sorry about the rant guys i just want to make sure everyone knows that i had nothing to do with what had been going on there i did not agree with what was going on and in the end cost me my job but hey i move on and i am doing better now than i would have ever been there
if you guys need anything or have any questions for me please ask them
Cody Smith
A good endorsement from Kyle is enough for me...Welcome to the insanity...
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