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Old 02-25-2011, 11:41 AM   #1
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Carbon Ceramic Brakes

Anyone know of the ZR-1 brakes being put on the camaro? If so where do you get them?
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Old 02-25-2011, 08:46 PM   #2
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I know at least one person has them, but I can't find the pics for the life of me!
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Old 02-26-2011, 12:46 AM   #3
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Mark Stielow, a GM engineer, has done them. Rumor has it he even sorted out the ABS and Bias.
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Mark Stielow, a GM engineer, has done them. Rumor has it he even sorted out the ABS and Bias.
Is it any better or cheaper than CTSV brakes?
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Old 02-26-2011, 04:04 PM   #7
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Obivously the CCMs will have WAY better heat dissapation. The down side is the cost. We have seen the parts for front and rear go from anywhere between $14,000 and $18,000 and that's WITHOUT brackets to adapt to the Camaro uprights.

The AP Racing system or the Brembo ZL1 system are both great options and can keep you around the $6,000 range for complete bolt on systems that do not require anything else and work with ABS and the stock master cylinder. PM us for additional details.
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Is it any better or cheaper than CTSV brakes?
Better, yes. Cheaper no.

The beauty of a CTS-V brake upgrade is that the front to rear brake bias and abs are good to go out of the box. Bolt them on, bleed them and everything works just like it should from the factory.

If you go watch the ProTouring Challenge cars you'll see many of them struggle on the road course at the end of the straights heading into turns. Because they are using unique brake applications the bias isn't always right, causing them to get sideways.

Aftermarket brake kits are supposed to be dialed in. Most of them are. Adding a Corvette carbon ceramic brake kit to the 5th Gen take more than fitting it to the car. The computer system has to be 'tuned' so the bias and ABS work with the new brakes. That is where having a factory experience, racing experience and being an engineer have given people like Mark the ability to successfully make the conversion. I don't know of anyone else that has the C6 carbon ceramic conversion 100% functional with the bias and ABS.

The CTS-V conversion is hands down to most cost effective and track friendly system available. Congratulations to GM for having developed it with Brembo.

Editorial Note: Pedders does not make any money promoting the CTS-V brake upgrade.
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:59 AM   #9
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Obivously the CCMs will have WAY better heat dissapation. The down side is the cost. We have seen the parts for front and rear go from anywhere between $14,000 and $18,000 and that's WITHOUT brackets to adapt to the Camaro uprights.

The AP Racing system or the Brembo ZL1 system are both great options and can keep you around the $6,000 range for complete bolt on systems that do not require anything else and work with ABS and the stock master cylinder. PM us for additional details.
And let's not forget that the Camaro is a bit heavier than the ZR-1, has proportionally more weight over the front axle and has more forward weight transfer under braking. In my estimation (based on direct experience with carbon-ceramic conversions), there will not be enough rotor mass in the ZR-1 CCM kit to handle the Camaro's weight properly. For street driving (if the balance and ABS issues were sorted out), they might be OK. But for any real high performance use or track duty, oxidation would be a killer. Front rotor replacement would be REAL expensive.
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I believe Mark Stielow has them functional in a 5th Gen and from the looks of his performance at the Optima Challenger has them working really well on his 69 Camaro. He is a GM engineer and i am assuming has an intimate familiarity with the system giving him the ability to make it work. We'll that and years of experience building great cars while honing his driving skills. I am beginning not to like him
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