Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Jason 98 TA
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > General Camaro Forums > 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-24-2011, 08:36 PM   #18
Mr. Wyndham
I used to be Dragoneye...
 
Mr. Wyndham's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Camaro 1LE
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 26,349
Send a message via AIM to Mr. Wyndham
Vehicles held hostage? What?

...wouldn't it be hilarious if one of the Camaros transformed and just raised hell for being taken 'hostage'?

Quote:
Originally Posted by My 5th View Post
You can't say bad things about unions here.
I don't believe that's in the rules.....respect, no politics, and no-thread crapping is, though...
__________________
"Keep the faith." - - Read Before You Post.

Mr. Wyndham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2011, 09:23 PM   #19
oldfriend


 
oldfriend's Avatar
 
Drives: Fiat 500 E
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: 32.7607/N. 16.95947/W
Posts: 7,780
As far i know no one pays anything till the day they take delivered , so how come [bought and paid for ] really !
oldfriend is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2011, 09:28 PM   #20
Mr. Wyndham
I used to be Dragoneye...
 
Mr. Wyndham's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Camaro 1LE
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 26,349
Send a message via AIM to Mr. Wyndham
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldfriend View Post
As far i know no one pays anything till the day they take delivered , so how come [bought and paid for ] really !
Customers would be the dealers, themselves...I don't know if they pay ahead of time to GM to get the cars....
__________________
"Keep the faith." - - Read Before You Post.

Mr. Wyndham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2011, 09:28 PM   #21
fourhounds
Slow is not an Option
 
fourhounds's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS 6M SGM
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Elevation 1735 ft. AZ
Posts: 58
Allied?

It's the UNION .. . . . . . .

Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Blur View Post
This is just stupid. Why would Allied think this is a good idea?
__________________
fourhounds is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2011, 09:51 PM   #22
HDRDTD


 
Drives: 2013 Triple Black ZL1 Vert M6 ECF
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Trenton, Michigan
Posts: 4,952
Update on the issue from The local paper The Detroit news.
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/2...103242011&ts=H

Cars 'Held Hostage' In Legal Dispute

Delivery Company Refuses To Haul Hundreds Of GM, Chrysler Vehicles


POSTED: Thursday, March 24, 2011
UPDATED: 7:51 pm EDT March 24, 2011



DEARBORN, Mich. -- Hundreds of new General Motors and Chrysler vehicles are parked in a holding lot in Dearborn because of a dispute between the automakers and a car-hauling company.
Chrysler and GM said their vehicles, which are supposed to be delivered to local dealerships, are being "held hostage."
Watch: Automaker's' Dispute With Haulig Company Leaves Cars In Lot
The dispute is over how much the car-hauling company, Allied Systems, has asked the automakers to pay.
According to a driver for Allied Systems, the dispute started when Allied cut drivers' pay by 20 percent.
The driver, who asked not to be identified, said Allied Systems backed off the pay cut after the drivers' union threatened to strike.
The driver said at that point Allied Systems tried to make up the difference by imposing a fuel surcharge on the automakers.
General Motors and Chrysler have refused to pay the surcharge and have sued Allied Systems, demanding the vehicles be delivered.
The dispute has left auto salespersons, customers and delivery drivers caught in the middle.
"I feel like I'm in limbo," said one car-hauler who asked not to be identified. "It feels like it's a waiting game and we're kind of stuck in the middle. And we're just very hopeful that this gets worked out soon."
Car-haulers said they are also concerned about what the legal dispute will do to their jobs.
"The concern for my job is there because it's a battle between two very large companies," said a driver who works for Allied Systems. "I'm just hoping they can meet in the middle because a lot of people's livelihoods are at stake here."
HDRDTD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2011, 09:54 PM   #23
PYROLYSIS
Remember the Charleston 9
 
PYROLYSIS's Avatar
 
Drives: 2004 KME PREDATOR, 2014 2SS/RS/1LE
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Summerv1LE SC
Posts: 5,148
Maybe some guys on the way to Camaro fest should get a party together and break those puppies out of jail!
__________________
BRING BACK THE B4C POLICE CAMARO!
2002 V-6 5 speed rally red (current camaro) Also driven:1992 Z-28 305 auto Red w/ black stripes (anniversary), 2001 V-6 auto light pewter metallic,1991 RS V-6 auto Black
PYROLYSIS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2011, 09:57 PM   #24
The_Blur
Jayhawk USN
 
The_Blur's Avatar
 
Drives: Demon SS
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: San Diego
Posts: 14,621
Send a message via AIM to The_Blur
Quote:
Originally Posted by fourhounds View Post
It's the UNION .. . . . . . .
The union didn't do anything wrong. The company decided to change a contract on the fly. It's bad management. This is one of those times the union stood up to the company with justice on their side. The company decided to instead charge clients extra. The clients refused, sued, and found other carriers.
The_Blur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2011, 10:06 PM   #25
Blueclyde

 
Blueclyde's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 ZL1
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Northeast Metro Detroit
Posts: 1,556
Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Blur View Post
The union didn't do anything wrong. The company decided to change a contract on the fly. It's bad management. This is one of those times the union stood up to the company with justice on their side. The company decided to instead charge clients extra. The clients refused, sued, and found other carriers.
The unions do not help. Let's be real. I've taken pay cuts and gone without pay checks during tough times to help my company out. I'm not entitled to anything from my company other than to get pay for helping them make money. The union should have taken the pay cut while the company fixed its problems. How does this action help the company or the union?
__________________
2014 ZL1, AGM, Ricaros, M6, ECF
Blueclyde is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2011, 10:16 PM   #26
Darth Martel
Darth Martel
 
Darth Martel's Avatar
 
Drives: Black 1SS with 20% tinted windows
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Bizzaroland
Posts: 960
It's simple economics. Fuel prices go up so, shipping charges go up. Unfortunately for Allied, they have contracts to their drivers and to their customers. If there is a provision in the contracts where they can alter the price billed to reflect the change in their costs then the customer just has to shell out more money. If there is no provision for that then Allied should have negotiated a better contract instead of pissing off their customers and in turn, their customers. I mean honestly, after hearing about this incident, who the hell would use Allied for future business? GM just needs to pay them what they want just for the vehicles they currently are holding hostage and then tell them to go **** themselves.
Darth Martel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2011, 10:17 PM   #27
Mr. Wyndham
I used to be Dragoneye...
 
Mr. Wyndham's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Camaro 1LE
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 26,349
Send a message via AIM to Mr. Wyndham
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blueclyde View Post
The unions do not help. Let's be real. I've taken pay cuts and gone without pay checks during tough times to help my company out. I'm not entitled to anything from my company other than to get pay for helping them make money. The union should have taken the pay cut while the company fixed its problems. How does this action help the company or the union?
It doesn't, and you may be right. But it was not the union that parked the trucks with GM and Chrysler's property on them, that was Allied's decision. I think that's what The_Blur was getting to...
__________________
"Keep the faith." - - Read Before You Post.

Mr. Wyndham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2011, 10:20 PM   #28
Blueclyde

 
Blueclyde's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 ZL1
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Northeast Metro Detroit
Posts: 1,556
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoneye View Post
It doesn't, and you may be right. But it was not the union that parked the trucks with GM and Chrysler's property on them, that was Allied's decision. I think that's what The_Blur was getting to...
Bad behavior by Allied and the union. I agree totally.
__________________
2014 ZL1, AGM, Ricaros, M6, ECF
Blueclyde is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2011, 11:31 PM   #29
One Mean Chevy
Future Vette Owner (201?)
 
One Mean Chevy's Avatar
 
Drives: A Mobile Road Block
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: GM Country
Posts: 388
GOOD NEWS: My Dealer is NOT LYING to me.

THE BAD NEWS: The Manual SS they order that I'm waiting to Test Drive may be held Hostage.

I will know for sure in about 2 weeks or less. His Dealership Hire their own Trucking Company to go an get thier Vehicles from a Depot about a 200 miles away around trip. IF the manual SS is not at the Depot then it is a Hostage.

Once I test drive the Manual SS. I'm pulling the Trigger and ordering what I want. I'm not going for the whole, "Oh there is a dealer XX amount of miles away that has what you want. We can get it here by ______."
__________________
Horsepower Means Nothing without the Torque and Transmission to back it up.

GM, WILL SURVIVE AND WILL BE BETTER THAN EVER.

2011 Camaro SS (6-Speed) w/RS Package. Its Great to be back in Black and a Chevy Again.

----------------------------

Last edited by One Mean Chevy; 03-24-2011 at 11:46 PM.
One Mean Chevy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2011, 11:36 PM   #30
TJ91
:chevy:
 
TJ91's Avatar
 
Drives: 2LT/RS
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Toronto
Posts: 12,874
Makes you wonder how they'll 'handle' the cars in their lots
__________________
CAMARO
Consult your doctor before taking Camaro
Side effects include Sudden increase in Heart Rate, Insomnia and occasional hallucinations
If you experience Permagrin exceeding 4 hours after taking Camaro, seek immediate Camaro5 Help
CAMARO Bringing excitment back into the Garage
TJ91 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2011, 11:39 PM   #31
Partick

 
Partick's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: NorCal
Posts: 959
time to roll......
Partick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2011, 11:42 PM   #32
The_Blur
Jayhawk USN
 
The_Blur's Avatar
 
Drives: Demon SS
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: San Diego
Posts: 14,621
Send a message via AIM to The_Blur
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoneye View Post
It doesn't, and you may be right. But it was not the union that parked the trucks with GM and Chrysler's property on them, that was Allied's decision. I think that's what The_Blur was getting to...
I do want to point out that taking a pay cut is something a lot of us have done, but we do that by choice for the welfare of our future at the same place. It is a choice. The company tried to force it on everyone, and that just isn't right. This is just my opinion, and you guys are more than welcome to disagree.
The_Blur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2011, 12:04 AM   #33
My 5th

 
My 5th's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2SS/RS M6 Black on Black
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Global Citizen
Posts: 1,029
The company demand for a 20% pay cut is greedy (I had to take a 6% pay cut to keep my job), but the union refusal was also greedy. How much are those union drivers making now with the trucks parked?
__________________
Meh
My 5th is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2011, 12:11 AM   #34
The_Blur
Jayhawk USN
 
The_Blur's Avatar
 
Drives: Demon SS
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: San Diego
Posts: 14,621
Send a message via AIM to The_Blur
Quote:
Originally Posted by My 5th View Post
The company demand for a 20% pay cut is greedy (I had to take a 6% pay cut to keep my job), but the union refusal was also greedy. How much are those union drivers making now with the trucks parked?
The same can be asked of the company. How much is the company making with the clients finding other options? Those drivers can get jobs elsewhere. As tough as this economy is, there is a real need for transportation. It isn't what it used to be, but there are jobs in that field. Investors lose their money when they don't come to terms with their employees.
The_Blur is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Is the V6 Consisdered a muscle car? zlwebb 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions 455 06-10-2014 12:19 PM
Think about this and the Z28 5th gen 13F20 Camaro ZL1 Forum - ZL1 Specific Topics 41 09-04-2010 01:59 AM
Chrysler Files for Bankruptcy rphtx General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion 34 05-03-2009 11:42 PM
Chrysler SOLD! Urthman General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion 3 05-14-2007 02:33 PM
Iacocca rips auto industry, warns: Don't sell Chrysler KILLER74Z28 General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion 6 04-14-2007 12:38 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:54 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.