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Old 03-25-2011, 04:22 PM   #51
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They are using different carriers now. It doesn't help the cars that are in Allied posession and not being released.
Beyond just making a bad business decision they have committing a crime. They have stolen $47 million worth of cars. In addition to a massive law suit I would be contacting attorney general offices across the country. I might even have GM reps go down to the Allied depots the trucks are parked at and having them call the local Sheriff's office if they refused to hand over my vehicles.
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Old 03-25-2011, 05:42 PM   #52
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The unions do not help. Let's be real. I've taken pay cuts and gone without pay checks during tough times to help my company out. I'm not entitled to anything from my company other than to get pay for helping them make money. The union should have taken the pay cut while the company fixed its problems. How does this action help the company or the union?
im with you 100%..the unions want their members to get paid for what they think the company can afford instead for what the company thinks they are worth..try that concept at your place of work and see what happens...
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Old 03-25-2011, 05:47 PM   #53
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The unions do not help. Let's be real. I've taken pay cuts and gone without pay checks during tough times to help my company out. I'm not entitled to anything from my company other than to get pay for helping them make money. The union should have taken the pay cut while the company fixed its problems. How does this action help the company or the union?
your taking your personal views on a clearly legal thing which pertains to the company itself
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Old 03-25-2011, 05:57 PM   #54
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your taking your personal views on a clearly legal thing which pertains to the company itself
No doubt about it. I am so glad that my education, experince, knowledge, skill, work ethic and principals have placed in a position to be able to bargain on my own instead of having someone else do it for me. The "legal" part of those "collective" agreements have out survived their usefulness. The company and the union are both wrong.
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Old 03-25-2011, 06:03 PM   #55
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Makes you wonder how they'll 'handle' the cars in their lots
Lets say that if you have one on order you my don't want to know [there is always one jack ass that goes around the trucks and do his G D T
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Old 03-25-2011, 06:06 PM   #56
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No doubt about it. I am so glad that my education, experince, knowledge, skill, work ethic and principals have placed in a position to be able to bargain on my own instead of having someone else do it for me. The "legal" part of those "collective" agreements have out survived their usefulness. The company and the union are both wrong.
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Old 03-26-2011, 08:56 AM   #57
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I was supposed to be cruising in my new 2011 2LT today but was told by the dealer that my car is one of the 1704 cars that is being held hostage by Allied.
Any word on how long this could take to free these cars from Allied?
I put a $10,000 down payment and a promised delivery date. What about some compensation?
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Old 03-26-2011, 09:07 AM   #58
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I was supposed to be cruising in my new 2011 2LT today but was told by the dealer that my car is one of the 1704 cars that is being held hostage by Allied.
Any word on how long this could take to free these cars from Allied?
I put a $10,000 down payment and a promised delivery date. What about some compensation?
Call a lawyer and file a suit against Allied, I am damm sure I will, I am just waiting to find out if I am one of the 1704, if Allied starts having lawsuits show up in their mailbox, maybe they will start to release our cars....
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I'm no legal expert but you guys might have a hard time with a law suit since you don't own the car yet, but GM definitely has a case and your dealers may.
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I was supposed to be cruising in my new 2011 2LT today but was told by the dealer that my car is one of the 1704 cars that is being held hostage by Allied.
Any word on how long this could take to free these cars from Allied?
I put a $10,000 down payment and a promised delivery date. What about some compensation?
$10,000 down?

I'd start with demanding that back. Let them search for answers on when the car will be in.
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Old 03-26-2011, 10:41 PM   #61
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There is a time for unions in this nation... Although it was the early 1900's
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Old 03-27-2011, 08:16 AM   #62
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Too much union, companies and unions must remain flexible and be able to adjust to the current economic conditions.
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Old 03-27-2011, 06:26 PM   #63
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As a driver myself, I can only feel for those truck drivers probably left sitting in lots with no miles to run and no pay check because their company decides to do something retarded. Many are already facing losing their jobs due to CSA 2011 (not a bad thing in all cases). I wouldnt be surprised if this causes Allied to go bust. Trucking company's are pretty hard up so its doubtful they could stand a long legal fight.
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Old 03-27-2011, 07:43 PM   #64
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I feel bad for all the people waiting for their car. I know how exciting it is when the car is this close to being in your hands.

I find it strange for a company to take such drastic measures, unless there is something we don't know about. Regardless, they're both "big boys", they'll get it worked out. .

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Old 03-27-2011, 07:54 PM   #65
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I feel bad for all the people waiting for their car. I know how exciting it is when the car is this close to being in your hands.

I find it strange for a company to take such drastic measures, unless there is something we don't know about. Regardless, they're both "big boys", they'll get it worked out. .

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This could be wrong, but my understanding is that Allied is in dire financial trouble and the fuel price spike was the last straw.
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Old 03-27-2011, 08:19 PM   #66
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This really is a bad deal on multiple fronts.

First, it has affected the delivery of many automobiles, including mine. It is very frustrating but it will all work out and my car will show up soon.

There are dealers and manufacturers that stand to lose a bunch of money. All of this because a trucking company has apparently managed itself to the brink of implosion over fuel prices and who knows how many bad decisions. Last I checked, fuel prices have been very high for a couple years.

I'm not a union guy but at the end of the day companies agree to union contracts so I really do not feel that bad for them. You reap what you sow. Unions need to learn to be more flexible and cooperative and companies just plain need to be smarter. ALL of this was avoidable.

We are no longer in the "good old days" of business. Times are tough. Smarten up!
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Old 03-27-2011, 08:58 PM   #67
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I'm not sure if Unions are good or bad. All I know is that being a fireman in SC in a right to work state it is against the law for me to even ask for a raise. Not trying to be greedy because I don't expect to get rich in my profession, but it would be nice to at least have a voice capable of being heard.
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Looks to me that Allied is holding them hostage, not the their workers.
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How can Allied think they have the right to do such a thing. What poor decision making on Allied part. They are doing nothing to protect their reputation. Hopefully, this doesn't make any Camaro buyers change their mind and buy and different car. Like a piece of crap Ford or Dodge.
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The company made the bad decision. The union does not run the company, it represents the workers.

Don't blame the union.
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Old 03-28-2011, 10:15 AM   #71
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This is the way I see it in Nashville. It's the union because I went to haul some of the cars out of the train yard where they come into Nashville and the Union is at the gates not want us to take the cars and trucks out to get them to the dealers. We have had things thrown at us and yelled about crossing the lines! It might have started with the companies but it's the union that wont let us get the dealers cars. I don't know the details about the talks between the companies but as far as the actions at the train yard it's all Union. I agree with comment that a lot of businesses are having to give pay cuts because of bad times. So what makes the truckers any better than the rest of us? It's better than no job or not making money like they are doing now. In the long run WE are going to pay for this through unemployment because they are going to loss lots of jobs over this. Just my input.
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Too much union, companies and unions must remain flexible and be able to adjust to the current economic conditions.
Hmm... ok, let's imagine you're one of those union workers. Not sure how much truck drivers get paid, but I'm assuming it's not a huge amount. Now the company tells you you'll be getting 20% LESS than that amount. You're telling me you wouldn't have an issue with that? I know that if I had to take a 20% pay cut, yeah I could still pay my bills, but that would be about all I could afford. All work and no fun is no way to live life, especially when you have no clue how long those pay cuts will last... or if there will be further cuts down the line. Just sayin.
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First, wouldn't they have a contract saying they have a certain time frame to deliver the cars from the time they were picked up. Second, Wouldn't this be considered stealing and if so call the cops and raise hell. Allied is stupid to do this, they have now lost 2 big customers and the whole word of moth thing really does work. Have fun trying to stay a float Allied.
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First, wouldn't they have a contract saying they have a certain time frame to deliver the cars from the time they were picked up. Second, Wouldn't this be considered stealing and if so call the cops and raise hell. Allied is stupid to do this, they have now lost 2 big customers and the whole word of moth thing really does work. Have fun trying to stay a float Allied.
If I worked for that company I'd be searching for a new job now before things start sliding...
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