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Old 03-25-2011, 05:42 PM   #52
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The unions do not help. Let's be real. I've taken pay cuts and gone without pay checks during tough times to help my company out. I'm not entitled to anything from my company other than to get pay for helping them make money. The union should have taken the pay cut while the company fixed its problems. How does this action help the company or the union?
im with you 100%..the unions want their members to get paid for what they think the company can afford instead for what the company thinks they are worth..try that concept at your place of work and see what happens...
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Old 03-25-2011, 05:47 PM   #53
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The unions do not help. Let's be real. I've taken pay cuts and gone without pay checks during tough times to help my company out. I'm not entitled to anything from my company other than to get pay for helping them make money. The union should have taken the pay cut while the company fixed its problems. How does this action help the company or the union?
your taking your personal views on a clearly legal thing which pertains to the company itself
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Old 03-25-2011, 05:57 PM   #54
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your taking your personal views on a clearly legal thing which pertains to the company itself
No doubt about it. I am so glad that my education, experince, knowledge, skill, work ethic and principals have placed in a position to be able to bargain on my own instead of having someone else do it for me. The "legal" part of those "collective" agreements have out survived their usefulness. The company and the union are both wrong.
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Old 03-25-2011, 06:03 PM   #55
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Makes you wonder how they'll 'handle' the cars in their lots
Lets say that if you have one on order you my don't want to know [there is always one jack ass that goes around the trucks and do his G D T
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Old 03-25-2011, 06:06 PM   #56
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No doubt about it. I am so glad that my education, experince, knowledge, skill, work ethic and principals have placed in a position to be able to bargain on my own instead of having someone else do it for me. The "legal" part of those "collective" agreements have out survived their usefulness. The company and the union are both wrong.
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Old 03-26-2011, 08:56 AM   #57
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I was supposed to be cruising in my new 2011 2LT today but was told by the dealer that my car is one of the 1704 cars that is being held hostage by Allied.
Any word on how long this could take to free these cars from Allied?
I put a $10,000 down payment and a promised delivery date. What about some compensation?
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Old 03-26-2011, 09:07 AM   #58
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I was supposed to be cruising in my new 2011 2LT today but was told by the dealer that my car is one of the 1704 cars that is being held hostage by Allied.
Any word on how long this could take to free these cars from Allied?
I put a $10,000 down payment and a promised delivery date. What about some compensation?
Call a lawyer and file a suit against Allied, I am damm sure I will, I am just waiting to find out if I am one of the 1704, if Allied starts having lawsuits show up in their mailbox, maybe they will start to release our cars....
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Old 03-26-2011, 02:03 PM   #59
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I'm no legal expert but you guys might have a hard time with a law suit since you don't own the car yet, but GM definitely has a case and your dealers may.
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Old 03-26-2011, 02:19 PM   #60
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I was supposed to be cruising in my new 2011 2LT today but was told by the dealer that my car is one of the 1704 cars that is being held hostage by Allied.
Any word on how long this could take to free these cars from Allied?
I put a $10,000 down payment and a promised delivery date. What about some compensation?
$10,000 down?

I'd start with demanding that back. Let them search for answers on when the car will be in.
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Old 03-26-2011, 10:41 PM   #61
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There is a time for unions in this nation... Although it was the early 1900's
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Old 03-27-2011, 08:16 AM   #62
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Too much union, companies and unions must remain flexible and be able to adjust to the current economic conditions.
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Old 03-27-2011, 06:26 PM   #63
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As a driver myself, I can only feel for those truck drivers probably left sitting in lots with no miles to run and no pay check because their company decides to do something retarded. Many are already facing losing their jobs due to CSA 2011 (not a bad thing in all cases). I wouldnt be surprised if this causes Allied to go bust. Trucking company's are pretty hard up so its doubtful they could stand a long legal fight.
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Old 03-27-2011, 07:43 PM   #64
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I feel bad for all the people waiting for their car. I know how exciting it is when the car is this close to being in your hands.

I find it strange for a company to take such drastic measures, unless there is something we don't know about. Regardless, they're both "big boys", they'll get it worked out. .

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I feel bad for all the people waiting for their car. I know how exciting it is when the car is this close to being in your hands.

I find it strange for a company to take such drastic measures, unless there is something we don't know about. Regardless, they're both "big boys", they'll get it worked out. .

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This could be wrong, but my understanding is that Allied is in dire financial trouble and the fuel price spike was the last straw.
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Old 03-27-2011, 08:19 PM   #66
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This really is a bad deal on multiple fronts.

First, it has affected the delivery of many automobiles, including mine. It is very frustrating but it will all work out and my car will show up soon.

There are dealers and manufacturers that stand to lose a bunch of money. All of this because a trucking company has apparently managed itself to the brink of implosion over fuel prices and who knows how many bad decisions. Last I checked, fuel prices have been very high for a couple years.

I'm not a union guy but at the end of the day companies agree to union contracts so I really do not feel that bad for them. You reap what you sow. Unions need to learn to be more flexible and cooperative and companies just plain need to be smarter. ALL of this was avoidable.

We are no longer in the "good old days" of business. Times are tough. Smarten up!
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Old 03-27-2011, 08:58 PM   #67
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I'm not sure if Unions are good or bad. All I know is that being a fireman in SC in a right to work state it is against the law for me to even ask for a raise. Not trying to be greedy because I don't expect to get rich in my profession, but it would be nice to at least have a voice capable of being heard.
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Looks to me that Allied is holding them hostage, not the their workers.
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