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Old 03-28-2011, 01:52 PM   #101
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Because I am their customer! And I would assume they would want to keep their customer happy!
If you owned your own business you would understand. NOW your the one being greedy. Has this kept you from working, making a living, or just don't have a cool car to ride around in? If I gave into everyone who wanted something that wasn't my fault I would be out of business. Can't Happen!
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Old 03-28-2011, 01:59 PM   #102
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I predict the end of Allied is near! If they are operating under a contract to GM and or Chrysler, legally they cannot just arbitrarily decide they need to raise their price because their operating cost went up. They will lose big time in court!!
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Old 03-28-2011, 02:04 PM   #103
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If you owned your own business you would understand. NOW your the one being greedy. Has this kept you from working, making a living, or just don't have a cool car to ride around in? If I gave into everyone who wanted something that wasn't my fault I would be out of business. Can't Happen!
I have money tied up in a car that I ordered. I also have a buyer for my current vehicle that isn't willing to wait. So.. no.. I'm not being greedy! Until you walk in my shoes, do not judge!
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Old 03-28-2011, 02:09 PM   #104
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Sucks for the car owners.. But don't bash the unions. This country was built on unions, And they are responsible for keeping wages in this country high, and benefits fair. If your not paying union dues, then your welcome. We fight for economies, not just personal rights. Im a Steelworker ,and will be for life. Again, your welcome.
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Old 03-28-2011, 02:34 PM   #105
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If Allied is in posession of cars that don't belong to them, and they are not fulfilling their contracdtual obligation, then isn't that called theft? Isn't that grand theft auto on a grand scale? Court fees, penalties, and GM/Chrysler not giving Allied any future business could put Allied out of business. If that happens as a result of Allied and their union unable to agree on wages, and puts hundreds of union employees out of work, then its hard to argue that the union was just looking out for its employees. Sounds to me like the bosses at Allied and thier union could have handled this a lot better to say the least.
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Old 03-28-2011, 02:43 PM   #106
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If Allied is in posession of cars that don't belong to them, and they are not fulfilling their contracdtual obligation, then isn't that called theft? Isn't that grand theft auto on a grand scale? Court fees, penalties, and GM/Chrysler not giving Allied any future business could put Allied out of business. If that happens as a result of Allied and their union unable to agree on wages, and puts hundreds of union employees out of work, then its hard to argue that the union was just looking out for its employees. Sounds to me like the bosses at Allied and thier union could have handled this a lot better to say the least.
Then allied should fulfill their contractual obligations.... and fast.
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Old 03-28-2011, 03:19 PM   #107
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I wanted to ask if you don't already have car or truck ownership is there any legal ground to sue Allied? Chevy would need to sue. Where does that leave you?

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Old 03-28-2011, 03:56 PM   #108
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Has nothing to do with the union. Allied tried to cut the pay of the Teamster union members by 20 percent and were unable to do so. So they are trying to get there money else where. It's all in the verb-age it you read it.
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Old 03-28-2011, 04:23 PM   #109
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I have money tied up in a car that I ordered. I also have a buyer for my current vehicle that isn't willing to wait. So.. no.. I'm not being greedy! Until you walk in my shoes, do not judge!
If I were you, I'd file a police report with the Dearborn MI PD. You have financial interest in property someone is wrongfully holding. It may not go anywhere, but at least worth a phone call to see if they would be willing to take a report.
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Old 03-28-2011, 04:54 PM   #110
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I'm no legal expert but you guys might have a hard time with a law suit since you don't own the car yet, but GM definitely has a case and your dealers may.
If there is a contract, there is a legal binding. I am sure these owners did not put down $$$ and order their vehicle without a contract. It seems to be a slam dunk for Camaro owners. I would sue both Chevrolet and Allied for breach of contract if you have a guaranteed delivery date and have put down $$$ to make sure it happened. Check your paperwork!
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Old 03-28-2011, 04:55 PM   #111
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Makes you wonder how they'll 'handle' the cars in their lots
your right,we got one in here at the dealer i work at about 2 weeks ago that had damage to the right side door,it was scratched
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i've always disliked the idea of unions... since i was born in the late 20th century not the late 19th century. maybe it's a little personal for me, owning my own company and all.

it's all business, if the workers refuse to take a pay cut and the customer refuses to pay the new cost of business... well i'd just say screw em both. close down and let the employees find new jobs and customers find new companies.

GM is just as much to blame for the current scenario as anyone. take the 15% (what are we talking here $100 per car max?!) hit and find a new shipper... it beats disappointing customers and HOPING they see it as allied's fault.
so does that mean i can come to your business and say i'm not paying you,lets say $1,500 for something you may or may not sell,i walk in and say it cost me $150 in gas to drive to you and back home to buy whatever it is you may sell and you refuse to take my deal and say that you have say 10 people do the same and you refuse,are you gonna shut your business down by not making $ and get rid of your employee's.....just saying,
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Old 03-28-2011, 05:01 PM   #113
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And they are responsible for keeping wages in this country high,
The artificially high wages are a huge part of the problem in this country. This country was built on the premise of capitalism, and the free market economy. When you have artificial means such as unions keeping wages high for one business, it cannot compete against others which do not have such costs to deal with. If you have an entire economy in which you have a high degree of this practice, then that economy as a whole becomes less competitive against other global economies. Businesses are choosing to locate elsewhere to avoid this situation. Why do you think GM is building fewer and fewer cars in the US? Because it costs them too much to build them here.

Sorry, but I'm not thanking you. In my view, unions were desperately needed in the past. But not anymore. The government has established laws which prevent unfair treatment of workers. Things like a 20% pay cut are not covered by those laws of course. That's just a part of life sometimes.
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i've always disliked the idea of unions... since i was born in the late 20th century not the late 19th century. maybe it's a little personal for me, owning my own company and all.

it's all business, if the workers refuse to take a pay cut and the customer refuses to pay the new cost of business... well i'd just say screw em both. close down and let the employees find new jobs and customers find new companies.

GM is just as much to blame for the current scenario as anyone. take the 15% (what are we talking here $100 per car max?!) hit and find a new shipper... it beats disappointing customers and HOPING they see it as allied's fault.
by the way,i dislike unions as well,it drives cost's up and a union member can loaf at work all day on an 8 hour shift and maybe actually work 2-3 hrs. out of a day and an employer can't touch them,
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Don't worry. When the unions die. You'll be paid squat, and maybe you could hop the border, and grab one of those good paying Mexican jobs... artificially high? I'm not artificially grtting paid. And if you think you can keep up on my 12 hour shift... come try! Unions also make for safe work places also. Funny, I bet half the people in these forums are paid well enough to buy a CAMARO, because of the sweat of union workers, because if it wasn't for us, there would be no competition because everyone would be paid like a third world country. And there would be no OSHA, and children would work for pennies. But you drive a 40k car made by union workers, who maybe barely afford the products they make. Lazy bastards, right? O ya, and my union dues go to help fight cheap products being brought over from other country, and make it a fair wage for them too. What do your dues go for?
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Don't worry. When the unions die. You'll be paid squat, and maybe you could hop the border, and grab one of those good paying Mexican jobs... artificially high? I'm not artificially grtting paid. And if you think you can keep up on my 12 hour shift... come try! Unions also make for safe work places also. Funny, I bet half the people in these forums are paid well enough to buy a CAMARO, because of the sweat of union workers, because if it wasn't for us, there would be no competition because everyone would be paid like a third world country. And there would be OSHA, and children would work for pennies. But you drive a 40k car made by union workers, who maybe barely afford the products they make. Lazy bastards, right?
I work for a software company. We don't have unions and we don't need them. If I feel like I'm not being treated well, I can leave my company and find another, or start one of my own. If the economy gets tight, I may get laid off or have my pay cut (been there), but I don't rely on anything except my own capabilities to get me another job. I work on a salary but work anywhere from 10 to 14 hours a day 5 days a week, and often work on weekends too. I also work with a team in India so I have to work late at night for no extra pay, but I already get paid fairly and it's part of my job description, so I don't complain. Don't act like you work harder than me when you don't know me from Adam.

Have you taken a college-level economics course? I don't think you understood the point of my post. I was not saying you were "artificially getting paid." I'm saying that unions cause wages to be higher than supply and demand would set them, and that is not good for the business involved nor the economy as a whole. And then you go on to say that without unions there would be no competition.
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Old 03-28-2011, 06:09 PM   #117
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Let's keep this respectable, folks...I'm watching close, because these threads get out of hand quickly. Thanks.
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Why does allied stealing cars start a pooh flinging war between white collar and blue collar camaro owners. The fact is allied STOLE cars while transporting them. The drivers should be charged with gran theft one count per car stolen.

How is this any different than the drivers just driving those cars to their house and putting them in their own garage! Does the fact that a company did it make it a difference. Heck, maybe the mob should incorporate.
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Let's keep this respectable, folks...I'm watching close, because these threads get out of hand quickly. Thanks.

I agree. Lets talk about something easy, such as religion!
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Why does allied stealing cars start a pooh flinging war between white color and blue color camaro owners. The fact is allied STOLE cars while transporting them. The drivers should be charged with gran theft one count per car stolen.

How is this any different than the drivers just driving those cars to their house and putting them in their own garage! Does the fact that a company did it make it a difference. Heck, maybe the mob should incorporate.
Drivers report to someone else...and it's that 'someone' who made the decision to park.

EDIT: Did you mean "collar"?

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Don't worry, millions of other union members, and I will keep fighting so you can still live, in the most powerful country in the world, and one of the only countries to have those lazy union workers. Makes you wonder how we got that way without em. And I work in a place where safety is EXTREMELY important, and that makes it important to me, so there is a whole lot more than just money when it comes to unions. Does a college coarse make someone worth more? I am not on the side of business, I am on the side of everyday joes, who build the things that make our life easier.... like CAMAROS.
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No I'm pretty sure some are blue faced and some are white faced - and yea I did mean collar. Changing now, thank you.

Ps.... Imagine if I were serious about this comment: Go to you local ford store, test drive a mustang gt and just drive it home. Its ok tell them you report to me and I told you to.
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You've got to be kidding....
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You've got to be kidding....
Of course I am. Corporations do things "illegal" all the time under the cover of corporate disputes or "differences in contract spirit". Taking the literal most direct interpretation of a corporations actions just highlights the crappyness of what they are doing. Just sayin.. If you or me had two employees running cars like allied and we said hey drive them to our storage yard tonight don't deliver them - we would be in jail in short order. Just my guess...
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On a POSITIVE note....my dealer called the house this evening, my car IS NOT an Allied hostage, it's in NJ and being shipped to the dealer tomorrow.

Looks like I can pick her up Wednesday night.....the LONG wait is almost over.
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