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Old 02-26-2009, 03:18 PM   #101
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How much horsepower and handling does ambient lighting add?
Due to electrical load, that translates into alternator horsepower requirements, the ABL causes a LOSS of .002147 horsepower.

This translates into a 0-60mph time degraded by .00081 seconds, for a net result of 4.50081 seconds compared to 4.50000 for non-ABL vehicles. UN-acceptable.
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When I was at the Chicago Auto Show, a GM rep was there and I asked him about the ABL. He stated that it was only going to be in the doors. He also said that they were having heating issues with the lighting going across the dash. Overtime, seams started to split which compromised the whole look.
Not sure if there is any validity to this, but it was interesting.
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When I was at the Chicago Auto Show, a GM rep was there and I asked him about the ABL. He stated that it was only going to be in the doors. He also said that they were having heating issues with the lighting going across the dash. Overtime, seams started to split which compromised the whole look.
Not sure if there is any validity to this, but it was interesting.

If thats the case, what will the South Florida SUN do to the dashboard?

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I don't buy the heat issue excuse. I mean, how hot does a car interior get with the windows up on a scorching day in Nevada? 140..150 degrees easy? LED's do not produce that much heat especially when used in conjunction with fiber optics where the light is simply spread from one source evenly.

If light bulbs caused dashboards to warp then we'd all have some jacked up gauge clusters to stare at all day.

Besides...we cannot forget the Dubai car. However that was working there seemed damn fine to me.

Me thinks this is more likely a cost cutting procedure.
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I don't buy the heat issue excuse. I mean, how hot does a car interior get with the windows up on a scorching day in Nevada? 140..150 degrees easy? LED's do not produce that much heat especially when used in conjunction with fiber optics where the light is simply spread from one source evenly.

If light bulbs caused dashboards to warp then we'd all have some jacked up gauge clusters to stare at all day.

Besides...we cannot forget the Dubai car. However that was working there seemed damn fine to me.

Me thinks this is more likely a cost cutting procedure.
They could do something a lot more constructive to cut costs than $5 on a dash led...
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If thats the case, what will the South Florida SUN do to the dashboard?

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I don't buy the heat issue excuse. I mean, how hot does a car interior get with the windows up on a scorching day in Nevada? 140..150 degrees easy? LED's do not produce that much heat especially when used in conjunction with fiber optics where the light is simply spread from one source evenly.

If light bulbs caused dashboards to warp then we'd all have some jacked up gauge clusters to stare at all day.

Besides...we cannot forget the Dubai car. However that was working there seemed damn fine to me.

Me thinks this is more likely a cost cutting procedure.
If my dash get's jacked because of heat, I'll be pissed. And for that reason, I'm thinking that this is not the reason they pulled ABL. If it was heat, why would the doors be any different? Aren't they the same material? Until we get a reason otherwise, it's +1 for the bean counters.
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They could do something a lot more constructive to cut costs than $5 on a dash led...

It's not just the LED they would be eliminating...it's the acrylic panel and associated wiring.

I have another theory too...what are the legalities regarding lights on your dash? Did GM get overzealous and forget to check whether it is even legal to have a light up dashboard????
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It's not just the LED they would be eliminating...it's the acrylic panel and associated wiring.

I have another theory too...what are the legalities regarding lights on your dash? Did GM get overzealous and forget to check whether it is even legal to have a light up dashboard????
They better not cut the silver acrylic. That would ruin the continuity with the doors. The black cloth looks very meh to me and does not match the leather interior at all.
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Thanks Scotty!!!

I'm glad to know that I won't have to read another thread that goes something like, "OMG I WANT TO KNOW IF ABL WILL BE ONLY ON THE DOORS OR NOT!!!111one!!!one!!!!11"

Annoying as hell.

If anyone cancels their order over a string of pretty lights inside the car, then they really need to get their priorities in order.
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They probably put it together and figured it for production and sat back and figured rather than make it look like the "Cash Cab" they would much rather produce a finished product that people who don't even give a damn about the Camaro will talk about in a good way. If it was going to look cheesy I wouldn't want it. Ever go to a car show and see some of the crap those guys put in their cars? I'd rather have some of a good thing than all of a bad thing.

We'll see the pics of the Saturday event.
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hmmmmm, you know... what if they replaced it with black leather (for a black leather interior) for the door and panel inserts.

that would be sweet.
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Thanks Scotty!!!

I'm glad to know that I won't have to read another thread that goes something like, "OMG I WANT TO KNOW IF ABL WILL BE ONLY ON THE DOORS OR NOT!!!111one!!!one!!!!11"

Annoying as hell.

If anyone cancels their order over a string of pretty lights inside the car, then they really need to get their priorities in order.
I believe I will now use your closing statement as my signature!
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Official word: There have been many inquiries from customers who saw a very early pre-production photo of the Camaro interior. The photo displayed a blue ambient light traveling across the top of the door panel inserts and on to the dash. This early concept proved to be very popular, and the product team worked on developing a similar feature for the production model. As a result an ambient lighting feature is now a standard condition with the start of production on all 2LT and 2SS models. This light will have a light blue tint with Black, Neutral and Gray interiors, and reddish-orange tint when the Inferno Orange Interior Package is ordered. This feature is only in the door panels and not across the dash as the concept photo originally illustrated. This feature is not an orderable option, but will be included on all 2LT and 2SS models at the start of production. No action is required by the customers or dealers to receive this feature. At the Cleveland Auto Show this weekend, we plan to show an image of how the light is displayed and answer questions. Our goal was to have the look of the early rendering (and it was just a rendering -- never an announced feature), but there were a couple of issues with execution. In the end, a desire to have the highest quality look, fit and feel for the interior won out (which is the way it should be). I know some will be disappointed, but I still think in the end we have the best in class interior.
These announcements are always very carefully worded for specific purposes.

The phrases "very early pre-production photo" and "it was just a rendering -- never an announced feature" were included to negate attempts by anyone seeking any kind of price reduction due to the final ambient lighting feature not being as complete or extensive as the prototypes.

Also note that "an image of how the light is displayed" will be at the Cleveland Auto Show this weekend. Again words carefully chosen for a reason. Do not expect to see this feature function in a Camaro on display (most if not all have their battery disconnected so it doesn't run down when the doors are left open). There will only be "an image" to illustrate the feature.

Just my personal opinion? The 426hp Camaro SS is a fabulous car. The prototype ambient lighting across the doors and dash looked like a terrific extra feature to make it even more special. Just illuminating the doors won't look nearly as good, and may look downright odd with the lighting extending up to the connecting panel on the dash - but that panel not continuing the lighting effect. Like I said, just my personal opinion.
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These announcements are always very carefully worded for specific purposes.

The phrases "very early pre-production photo" and "it was just a rendering -- never an announced feature" were included to negate attempts by anyone seeking any kind of price reduction due to the final ambient lighting feature not being as complete or extensive as the prototypes.

Also note that "an image of how the light is displayed" will be at the Cleveland Auto Show this weekend. Again words carefully chosen for a reason. Do not expect to see this feature function in a Camaro on display (most if not all have their battery disconnected so it doesn't run down when the doors are left open). There will only be "an image" to illustrate the feature.

Just my personal opinion? The 426hp Camaro SS is a fabulous car. The prototype ambient lighting across the doors and dash looked like a terrific extra feature to make it even more special. Just illuminating the doors won't look nearly as good, and may look downright odd with the lighting extending up to the connecting panel on the dash - but that panel not continuing the lighting effect. Like I said, just my personal opinion.
I agree, but the scariest part about the careful wording IMO was this:

"As a result an ambient lighting feature is now a standard condition with the start of production on all 2LT and 2SS models."

and this:

"This feature is not an orderable option, but will be included on all 2LT and 2SS models at the start of production."

Does this mean only the beginning run of cars will have this half-ass version of ABL??? Hmmmm.
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When I was at the Chicago Auto Show, a GM rep was there and I asked him about the ABL. He stated that it was only going to be in the doors. He also said that they were having heating issues with the lighting going across the dash. Overtime, seams started to split which compromised the whole look.
Not sure if there is any validity to this, but it was interesting.
LEDs are not heat producing like a light bulb, I bet the "Heat Issues" were when the sun comes in the windshield the heat would effect the operation of the LED's, maybe shortening the life of them considerably.. just look at the location they would be at close to the top edge of the dashboard where the heat would be most concentrated on the black material... Being an electronics technician at one time and knowing how heat can effect electronics, I can see that imay be the problem... there will still be a seam there no matter if there is ambient lighting there or not.

I think there is too much reading between the lins going on here.. just calm down people and take what they said at face value. all we know is for today that is how it stands. who knows what tomorrow may bring...
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I agree, but the scariest part about the careful wording IMO was this:

"As a result an ambient lighting feature is now a standard condition with the start of production on all 2LT and 2SS models."

and this:

"This feature is not an orderable option, but will be included on all 2LT and 2SS models at the start of production."

Does this mean only the beginning run of cars will have this half-ass version of ABL??? Hmmmm.
I'm not sure I'd read too much into those bits. I think they were saying that it will be available from the start, not that it won't be put into the CTF cars being built. There's no way they put a feature like that into production cars without doing some test builds before hand. In fact, I would think that any cars that get sent to reviewers would have ABL in it's production form.
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The ambient lighting was announced, at the LA reveal, they had a huge board showing the Ambient lighting pic and they talked about the ambient lighting to the crowd. I dont think its a legality issue because the cts uses lighting on the dash.
Theres no way its due to over heating because it would be the sme for the doors, and i think its because they couldnt get the gaps filled along the entire dash. Remember them saying that there would be a gap in the dash, the heating issue just doesnt make sense, the plastic on the door panels must be the same as the dash. Im just hoping that for some reasn, the ABL is still left in the trim, so i can find some way to connect it, if not, ill go aftermarket and get it installed, they just better have a dimmer roll for the doors
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LEDs are not heat producing like a light bulb, I bet the "Heat Issues" were when the sun comes in the windshield the heat would effect the operation of the LED's, maybe shortening the life of them considerably.. just look at the location they would be at close to the top edge of the dashboard where the heat would be most concentrated on the black material... Being an electronics technician at one time and knowing how heat can effect electronics, I can see that imay be the problem...
LEDs are some of the toughest things around, I doubt that 180 degree heat really is causing them any issues. Many the material (light piping etc) is having issues but then the doors would be affected as well. The temperature differential between the dash and the doors is not much. And the way the strip is, it's not directly facing the outside so the doors would have the same heat exposure.
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The ambient lighting was announced, at the LA reveal, they had a huge board showing the Ambient lighting pic and they talked about the ambient lighting to the crowd. I dont think its a legality issue because the cts uses lighting on the dash.
Theres no way its due to over heating because it would be the sme for the doors, and i think its because they couldnt get the gaps filled along the entire dash. Remember them saying that there would be a gap in the dash, the heating issue just doesnt make sense, the plastic on the door panels must be the same as the dash. Im just hoping that for some reasn, the ABL is still left in the trim, so i can find some way to connect it, if not, ill go aftermarket and get it installed, they just better have a dimmer roll for the doors
the door panels will be vertical and not have nearly as much direct Sun shining on it. the windshield is a large very angled piece of glass that the sun wll shine through directly on the dashboard most of the time it is outside...
usually the only parts of the door panels that get to hot to touch are the very top edges at the base of the window, not down on the sides where the ambient lighting will be located.
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