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Old 02-26-2009, 05:48 PM   #120
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When I was at the Chicago Auto Show, a GM rep was there and I asked him about the ABL. He stated that it was only going to be in the doors. He also said that they were having heating issues with the lighting going across the dash. Overtime, seams started to split which compromised the whole look.
Not sure if there is any validity to this, but it was interesting.
LEDs are not heat producing like a light bulb, I bet the "Heat Issues" were when the sun comes in the windshield the heat would effect the operation of the LED's, maybe shortening the life of them considerably.. just look at the location they would be at close to the top edge of the dashboard where the heat would be most concentrated on the black material... Being an electronics technician at one time and knowing how heat can effect electronics, I can see that imay be the problem... there will still be a seam there no matter if there is ambient lighting there or not.

I think there is too much reading between the lins going on here.. just calm down people and take what they said at face value. all we know is for today that is how it stands. who knows what tomorrow may bring...
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Old 02-26-2009, 05:49 PM   #121
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I agree, but the scariest part about the careful wording IMO was this:

"As a result an ambient lighting feature is now a standard condition with the start of production on all 2LT and 2SS models."

and this:

"This feature is not an orderable option, but will be included on all 2LT and 2SS models at the start of production."

Does this mean only the beginning run of cars will have this half-ass version of ABL??? Hmmmm.
I'm not sure I'd read too much into those bits. I think they were saying that it will be available from the start, not that it won't be put into the CTF cars being built. There's no way they put a feature like that into production cars without doing some test builds before hand. In fact, I would think that any cars that get sent to reviewers would have ABL in it's production form.
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Old 02-26-2009, 05:49 PM   #122
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The ambient lighting was announced, at the LA reveal, they had a huge board showing the Ambient lighting pic and they talked about the ambient lighting to the crowd. I dont think its a legality issue because the cts uses lighting on the dash.
Theres no way its due to over heating because it would be the sme for the doors, and i think its because they couldnt get the gaps filled along the entire dash. Remember them saying that there would be a gap in the dash, the heating issue just doesnt make sense, the plastic on the door panels must be the same as the dash. Im just hoping that for some reasn, the ABL is still left in the trim, so i can find some way to connect it, if not, ill go aftermarket and get it installed, they just better have a dimmer roll for the doors
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Old 02-26-2009, 05:51 PM   #123
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LEDs are not heat producing like a light bulb, I bet the "Heat Issues" were when the sun comes in the windshield the heat would effect the operation of the LED's, maybe shortening the life of them considerably.. just look at the location they would be at close to the top edge of the dashboard where the heat would be most concentrated on the black material... Being an electronics technician at one time and knowing how heat can effect electronics, I can see that imay be the problem...
LEDs are some of the toughest things around, I doubt that 180 degree heat really is causing them any issues. Many the material (light piping etc) is having issues but then the doors would be affected as well. The temperature differential between the dash and the doors is not much. And the way the strip is, it's not directly facing the outside so the doors would have the same heat exposure.
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Old 02-26-2009, 05:53 PM   #124
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Old 02-26-2009, 05:54 PM   #125
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The ambient lighting was announced, at the LA reveal, they had a huge board showing the Ambient lighting pic and they talked about the ambient lighting to the crowd. I dont think its a legality issue because the cts uses lighting on the dash.
Theres no way its due to over heating because it would be the sme for the doors, and i think its because they couldnt get the gaps filled along the entire dash. Remember them saying that there would be a gap in the dash, the heating issue just doesnt make sense, the plastic on the door panels must be the same as the dash. Im just hoping that for some reasn, the ABL is still left in the trim, so i can find some way to connect it, if not, ill go aftermarket and get it installed, they just better have a dimmer roll for the doors
the door panels will be vertical and not have nearly as much direct Sun shining on it. the windshield is a large very angled piece of glass that the sun wll shine through directly on the dashboard most of the time it is outside...
usually the only parts of the door panels that get to hot to touch are the very top edges at the base of the window, not down on the sides where the ambient lighting will be located.
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Thak makes sense, but wouldnt there be cases when the door trim would get as much sunlight as the dash?
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Old 02-26-2009, 05:59 PM   #127
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Thak makes sense, but wouldnt there be cases when the door trim would get as much sunlight as the dash?
yes but probably long enough to build as much heat as the top of the dashboard sees. that is why you see alot more cracked dashboards than you do door panels..
the next time the sun is shining feel the top of the dash and then the side of the doorpanel, I bet you will feel alot of difference..
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Old 02-26-2009, 06:04 PM   #128
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It would be nice to have an option to remove the ABL from the doors from a 2SS.

When the lights stop at the dash...seems like that will be weird...like the fuse was blown for the dash ABL lights.

I would like a leather trim piece in there!
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Old 02-26-2009, 06:06 PM   #129
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It would be nice to have an option to remove the ABL from the doors from a 2SS.

When the lights stop at the dash...seems like that will be weird...like the fuse was blown for the dash ABL lights.

I would like a leather trim piece in there!
Somehow I'm willing to be patient. Fbodfather wouldn't let them put something in that looked half-assed. Like he said, right, or not at all.

If I hate it, I'll buy 1SS door panels and that'll be the end of it.
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Old 02-26-2009, 06:08 PM   #130
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It would be nice to have an option to remove the ABL from the doors from a 2SS.

When the lights stop at the dash...seems like that will be weird...like the fuse was blown for the dash ABL lights.

I would like a leather trim piece in there!
Find the fuse for the ABL and pull it or just unplug them.. I bet there will be a connector somewhere.. or maybe they will be programable and you can chose to turn them off.. we just need to wait and see and don't jump to conclusions.
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Thanks again Scotty! I am excited since I was hoping for this result for 2 reasons - first when driving at night the only lights inside the car I want to see are the gauges and dic, so I think having across the dash would bug me a little sometimes. Second if they are on the doors it should be more visible since they are more protected from the windows. I think the development team made another great choice! (Assuming it is reliable!)
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Old 02-26-2009, 06:09 PM   #132
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Thanks Scotty!!!

I'm glad to know that I won't have to read another thread that goes something like, "OMG I WANT TO KNOW IF ABL WILL BE ONLY ON THE DOORS OR NOT!!!111one!!!one!!!!11"

Annoying as hell.

If anyone cancels their order over a string of pretty lights inside the car, then they really need to get their priorities in order.
Just wondering, who was making you read these "annoying threads" cheif?
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Old 02-26-2009, 06:11 PM   #133
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To me, this is just another disappointment in an ever growing list. This in and of itself is not a deal breaker, I will wait to see what it looks like. However, I am reaching a point where I feel I might be better off waiting till 2010. By then they should have this and a number of other things sorted out. Who knows, maybe even an LS7 version might be available or some other 500hp+ variant.
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Well, I guess I will be one of the few guys here who aren't so annoyed about this news. Fact is I thought it was quite a cool feature, but wondered how this kind of ambient lighting could impact your driving experience and other safety issues.
I mean, I have always been told that too much lighting in the car at night isn't good because your eyes can't focus as well.
I wear glasses and love driving at night, and believe me : I know that this kind of details sure make your eyes tired.
So, one of the questions I've always wanted to ask about it was the possibility of fading this ambient lighting in or out, making it more discreet or even switching it off if needed.
Now, with the dashboard not beeing lighten, I feel quiet reassured about it anyway. If this switching off is not possible, it's still ok by me.

Another question would be : what lighting color for beige interior ? Is it the one they call "neutral" ? Beige with blue... Quite a weird combination, isn't it ?

And again, sorry for my crappy english

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i canre care less either way really
not why im buying the car
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Well, I guess I will be one of the few guys here who aren't so annoyed about this news. Fact is I thought it was quite a cool feature, but wondered how this kind of ambient lighting could impact your driving experience and other safety issues.
I mean, I have always been told that too much lighting in the car at night isn't good because your eyes can't focus as well.
I wear glasses and love driving at night, and believe me : I know that this kind of details sure make your eyes tired.
So, one of the questions I've always wanted to ask about it was the possibility of fading this ambient lighting in or out, making it more discreet or even switching it off if needed.
Now, with the dashboard not beeing lighten, I feel quiet reassured about it anyway. If this switching off is not possible, it's still ok by me.

Another question would be : what lighting color for beige interior ? Is it the one they call "neutral" ? Beige with blue... Quiet a weird combination, isn't it ?

And again, sorry for my crappy english
Unless you have the IOM interior pkg, the light is always blue; orange with the package.
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