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Old 04-17-2011, 08:11 AM   #1251
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Randy beat me fair and square..



with drag radials.... just sayin...



Nice win bro, Great 60' time.


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Nice run Brother!
You need to get some ground rules set next time. Were you NOT on drag radials and did you know he was gonna use different tires and wheels?
Sounds like you might have gotten snookered.
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He knew for the last 2 or 3 months that PQ was going to use DRs.
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Old 04-17-2011, 08:47 AM   #1253
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You need to get some ground rules set next time. Were you NOT on drag radials and did you know he was gonna use different tires and wheels?
Sounds like you might have gotten snookered.
Chris new he was going to put them on. PQ even mentioned it on the site. LS3 lost plain and simple.

After all the rubbing Chris always gives PQ this was God opening up his hand and giving PQ his well deserved win.
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Old 04-17-2011, 08:50 AM   #1254
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He knew for the last 2 or 3 months that PQ was going to use DRs.
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Chris new he was going to put them on. PQ even mentioned it on the site.
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Old 04-17-2011, 09:08 AM   #1255
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I just put Bonnie in a cab to the airport. I need some sleep.

The absolute difference in this race was the wheels. After I bought the coilovers from Becky I equaled the new mod playing field. (so to speak) There was NO WAY I could have beat him on my 22s. Street tires were just not hooking here and mine are much worse than stock. Plus the added weight could be easily felt when I swapped them back. I easily know what my next purchase will be. I really do think I had an unfair advantage.

Team L99 swept just about everything. Lots of power out there.

Ok, gotta sleep now. Me and Chris have a long haul ahead of us.
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Old 04-17-2011, 09:16 AM   #1256
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Just for the record, from January 28...

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If anyone would like to loan PQ Dr's for our race then he is free to use them.

I'll still run on my stock pirellis

I only have one condition... This is a one race event. No two out of three.

Randy can test and tune as much as he wants but it's a one run race with the tree, no arm drop crap...

Fair?


BTW, I'm not saying the DRs don't give an advantage. They certainly do. I'm just saying that this has been known for a while.

I'm looking forward to next year's fest.
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Old 04-17-2011, 09:33 AM   #1257
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PQ had the advantage from the start, because he was driving an L99 A6.
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Old 04-17-2011, 09:41 AM   #1258
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It was rigged I tell ya

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Old 04-17-2011, 09:42 AM   #1259
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PQ had the advantage from the start, because he was driving an L99 A6.
What he said. ^^^
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Old 04-17-2011, 10:21 AM   #1260
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An automatic "shouldn't" beat a stick shift........ but if you dont know how to drive... the stick will lose every time.

that is why I have never tried to race my car.
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Old 04-17-2011, 10:22 AM   #1261
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The automatic trans of the old days, or the slushbox as it was called are not the automatics of today. No professional drag race team that I know of, today uses a manual trans. The automatic doesn't miss a shift, and it always shifts the same. Consistency is the name of this game. WAY TO GO PQ!
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Old 04-17-2011, 10:24 AM   #1262
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Old 04-17-2011, 10:29 AM   #1263
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An automatic "shouldn't" beat a stick shift........ but if you dont know how to drive... the stick will lose every time.

that is why I have never tried to race my car.
In this case, there's a little more to it than that

They both ran a good race. PQ did need to run DR's or he would have been spinning thru 3 gears. How do you think it would have ended if GTA used DR's as well? Pretty good fight.
Here's a reinactment of the race using smileys

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Old 04-17-2011, 11:29 AM   #1264
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In this case, there's a little more to it than that

They both ran a good race. PQ did need to run DR's or he would have been spinning thru 3 gears. How do you think it would have ended if GTA used DR's as well? Pretty good fight.
Here's a reinactment of the race using smileys

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Thanks for the reenactment. I feel like I was there in person now.
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Old 04-17-2011, 11:40 AM   #1265
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This has been a pretty cool thread and competition. I wish I could have been there to see the race. Lots of opinions here but any true drag race guy knows that an automatic should beat a stick almost everytime in even equipment. A lot of things factor into that but most true drag race guys would agree with that. I have a 6 speed manual in my Camaro but every race car I have had was always an automatic.
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Old 04-17-2011, 11:56 AM   #1266
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Old 04-17-2011, 12:03 PM   #1267
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The build up was great drama. When they basically threw out the rulebook, I think Chris was trying to give Randy the best chance of wining possible (probably so he wouldn't have to hear a year's worth of 'if only I had used DR's....) and in the end was maybe a bit too sporting but, judging by the posts here, he was as gracious in defeat as Randy was humble in winning and I respect that. I would have loved to be there to see the REAL after race events though! Still, something is missing - we need to see pictures of GTA with the Tom Brady sticker on his car, LOL! I don't know much about drag racing but those times look rather close to me so somehow, I don't think we have heard the last of the LS3 - L99 debate between these two....

At least I hope not!! Go Team LS3!!

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No I'm not a true race guy.... and I do now its all about consistency.
That was the whole point of my comment. Forgive me for lack of knowledge, but the way I looked at it, the Auto transmission from a street car is not set up the way an auto from a pro race car is. I would assume that the street car is much more timid and mild mannered than a race car, hence the reason it would be a handicap. As for the driving skill in a stick shift. That comment was all about the consistency you speak of. If you slip just a little on your shift, you lose because you arent as consistent. It is much harder to do the exact same thing each and every time when you have a human shifter, vice a computer controlled auto transmission.

I guess looking back, my comment was entirely too vague. I was looking at it from two DD style street cars, driven by average drivers. I was not factoring in the difference between that and race only cars driven by professional race drivers.

my apologies for assuming.
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Old 04-17-2011, 12:29 PM   #1269
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No I'm not a true race guy.... and I do now its all about consistency.
That was the whole point of my comment. Forgive me for lack of knowledge, but the way I looked at it, the Auto transmission from a street car is not set up the way an auto from a pro race car is. I would assume that the street car is much more timid and mild mannered than a race car, hence the reason it would be a handicap. As for the driving skill in a stick shift. That comment was all about the consistency you speak of. If you slip just a little on your shift, you lose because you arent as consistent. It is much harder to do the exact same thing each and every time when you have a human shifter, vice a computer controlled auto transmission.

I guess looking back, my comment was entirely too vague. I was looking at it from two DD style street cars, driven by average drivers. I was not factoring in the difference between that and race only cars driven by professional race drivers.

my apologies for assuming.
Great point. PQ's car has been tuned and that changes how the transmission shifts. I would assume his is not shifting like a stock car. My tuned A6 shifts much more aggressively than it did when stock.
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Great point. PQ's car has been tuned and that changes how the transmission shifts. I would assume his is not shifting like a stock car. My tuned A6 shifts much more aggressively than it did when stock.
Wrong, he never got the tranny tune yet. His car still has the auto set to factory settings. He was afraid of getting the tune before the race do to the reduction of TRQ Management.
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Wrong, he never got the tranny tune yet. His car still has the auto set to factory settings. He was afraid of getting the tune before the race do to the reduction of TRQ Management.
I knew he wanted to go back to have additional tuning done, but I didn't realize it was for the tranny. I thought it was to get some tuning at lower rpms when the car was cool. Thanks for clarifying.
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Old 04-17-2011, 01:11 PM   #1272
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The absolute difference in this race was the wheels.

Dha, do you think so - yes it probably did have a huge impact, however....

The difference goes way beyond the drag radials. I believe it has a lot to do with your competitiveness Randy. You took this seriously and did a lot of right things to impact the outcome. Chris on the other hand appeared more concerned on what he could do and say along the way to get your goat. You deserve this win. Congratulations, enjoy the victory.I guess you can now spend time saying and doing things to get Chris' goat.


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Old 04-17-2011, 01:50 PM   #1273
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Not embaressed. Why would ls3 offer up the use of DR's and not do them himself? Especially the way the track was running. I made 6 runs out there and the stocker Pirellis were spinning all weekend. Track prep? Heat? Don't know for sure but this should have been even equip on this track. Oh well, enjoy the win. I'm sure there is going to be a rematch next year and hopefully ls3 won't be so kind.
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I heard GTA let PQ win
hows that for stirring the pot
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just like i let the LSR Camaro beat me last weekend for their video of performance after mods

for the power Chris is laying down, 12.7 definitely looks like not-pro shifting and probably easing into each gear to keep traction.

a 1.75 60' is pretty good for street tires, and looking at the time slips, it looks like if they were doing a 3/8mi race, GTA would've pulled ahead.

that said, congrats Randy! you shared that Dickel, didn't you?
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