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Old 04-21-2011, 07:57 PM   #51
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Uh......? Well it would be faster, handled better than an SS version...??

If I was wishing for this or that, it would be a sleeper version. An SS with the engine, drive train and supension up grades without the hood and big spoiler. Just the wheels and the front change would be enough of a flag for the trained eye. Under the radar so to speak...
My point exactly; The hood and front fender is ugly as hell. They could have done a way better job. And, are they kidding with the guages, I'm hittng 7k RPM's going to the corner store for milk and juice. And, for 120 additional HP. is that a joke. I put a muffler, and some headers on mine with a CAM and makng that w/o an SC.
So, not sure why anyone would pay the huge price tag for this car, except of course to have a tag on the back that says ZL1 and keep it stored in the garage for 25yrs., but other than that I don't really get it.
Personally, I'd go to SLP if I wanted something with a label on it to justify paying all that extra cash.
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My point exactly; The hood and front fender is ugly as hell. They could have done a way better job. And, are they kidding with the guages, I'm hittng 7k RPM's going to the corner store for milk and juice. And, for 120 additional HP. is that a joke. I put a muffler, and some headers on mine with a CAM and makng that w/o an SC.
So, not sure why anyone would pay the huge price tag for this car, except of course to have a tag on the back that says ZL1 and keep it stored in the garage for 25yrs., but other than that I don't really get it.
Personally, I'd go to SLP if I wanted something with a label on it to justify paying all that extra cash.
Maybe because we want a warranty with our 550+HP car for the next 5 years. In 25 years I will bet that the GM ZL1 will be worth more than the SLP ZL1. Too bad I will not be around to collect on my bet or least remember that I made it.
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My point exactly; The hood and front fender is ugly as hell. They could have done a way better job. And, are they kidding with the guages, I'm hittng 7k RPM's going to the corner store for milk and juice. And, for 120 additional HP. is that a joke. I put a muffler, and some headers on mine with a CAM and makng that w/o an SC.
So, not sure why anyone would pay the huge price tag for this car, except of course to have a tag on the back that says ZL1 and keep it stored in the garage for 25yrs., but other than that I don't really get it.
Personally, I'd go to SLP if I wanted something with a label on it to justify paying all that extra cash.
Ok, you don't get it, then why do you continue to troll this section? You got a nice SS by the info in your sig, let me know what your total investment is after you drop the big brakes, MR suspension, Larger wheels and tires, LSA, upgraded interior and 100k warranty, oh yeah and the ZR1's launch/suspension control.
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Ok, you don't get it, then why do you continue to troll this section? You got a nice SS by the info in your sig, let me know what your total investment is after you drop the big brakes, MR suspension, Larger wheels and tires, LSA, upgraded interior and 100k warranty, oh yeah and the ZR1's launch/suspension control.
or go to SLP. It won't be under 50K.


(of course, we are hoping for under 50K MSRP)
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or go to SLP. It won't be under 50K.
(of course, we are hoping for under 50K MSRP)
No way this car is going to be under $50k the Canadian price tag is $85k (to start).

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Maybe because we want a warranty with our 550+HP car for the next 5 years. In 25 years I will bet that the GM ZL1 will be worth more than the SLP ZL1. Too bad I will not be around to collect on my bet or least remember that I made it.
Perhaps, but 80% of the time the warranty not worth the paper it's printed on, go read some of the threads on here, people can't even get GM to admit the gearing on the M6 if screwed to the max when grinding during shifts.
As, for value of a vehicle. Well, if some people want to keep their Camaro in the garage cause' it's going to be worth something in 25yrs. well, that's their perogative. I want to enjoy driving the shit out of mine, leaving ZL1's in the dust. Besides, like you in 25yrs. if I can lift my feet off the ground I'll be good. :-)

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Ok, you don't get it, then why do you continue to troll this section? You got a nice SS by the info in your sig, let me know what your total investment is after you drop the big brakes, MR suspension, Larger wheels and tires, LSA, upgraded interior and 100k warranty, oh yeah and the ZR1's launch/suspension control.
If my opinion of the ZL1 is not equal to yours I'm a troll? Check yourself!!!!
I doubt very much the parts GM will put on the ZL1 will match the quality of the aftermarket parts installed in my SS or the SLP version of the ZL1.
My point is if I were to dish out $85k (CDN) to start, (which I most likely will when I'm done my SS) I'll smoke the ZL1 easily, unless of course you dump another $25k in mods on the ZL1. And, it will look a whole lot nicer too. ie - ProCharger or Maggie SC vs the one in the ZL1 (what is it again????)
Another point, my SS is already equipped with 550hp., top notch suspension, and I didn't pay anywhere near $85k. And, no SC yet. Now do you get what I'm saying? I'm talking "value" for money. I'm sure when the pro's get their hands on a ZL1 and disect it you'll see many posts on here about how much "more" work the vehicle will need to be up to spec. with some of the 2010 SS's out there "today".

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No way this car is going to be under $50k the Canadian price tag is $85k (to start).
ORLY? because i can build a fully loaded CTS-V coupe for cheaper than 85k.

And if you really think your 550hp + suspension could match the ZL1 you might aswell wake up from that sleep of yours. your 550hp SS wont be as reilable as the ZL1 nor will your suspension be on the same par as the MRS of the ZL1. Get real buddy you nor anybody else knows what the ZL1 can do so internet racing aint gona get you any further.
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ORLY? because i can build a fully loaded CTS-V coupe for cheaper than 85k.

...... Get real buddy you nor anybody else knows what the ZL1 can do so internet racing aint gona get you any further.
So, your point is? If you don't know anything why post anything? Back at ya'.
Go back and read my post which is based on what the OP is saying is going to be in the ZL1 nothing more nothing less.
Futher more there are numerous builds out there that are way better than the originals so just because some new version of the Camaro is coming out, doesn't mean that the technology is not readily available for older versions. Go do your research, GM doesn't make the parts they just pick vendors to work with. Do you think the ZL1 is the only vehicle that has coil-overs, big breaks and an SC that's reliable. Or the GM guys on the assembly line are way more skilled than some of the very talented after market race car buiilders. Give me a break. My SS is way better now than when I originally drove it off the lot, wondering daily what the hell was wrong with the car while dudes in ricers were blowing by me daily. Until I took it to a race shop.
I'm currently @ 550hp. NA, will be over 700hp. when the SC is done and that's will be at a mild tune and will match or exceed whatever brakes, tires, and suspension that will be on the ZL1, and it will still cost me less than the price tag of the ZL1. You the one that needs to wake up, put some mods on your ride and then come talk to me playa'.

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Are you saying that the ZL1 will be in the 85K range? No way.....again, I am counting on it being under 50k.
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Are you saying that the ZL1 will be in the 85K range? No way.....again, I am counting on it being under 50k.
He is speaking in Canadian dollars ... but still, 85 grand is a bit high. I'm thinking if its ~$50k in the US, it will be around $60k up here given the fact that our cars are usually priced about 20% higher than they are south of the border.
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He is speaking in Canadian dollars ... but still, 85 grand is a bit high. I'm thinking if its ~$50k in the US, it will be around $60k up here given the fact that our cars are usually priced about 20% higher than they are south of the border.
Keep in mind currently the CDN dollar is $1.05 against the US dollar.
I believe the gap in the price difference will be within a few minor g's. I spoke to someone just a few days ago from a local (CDN) GM dealership. And, he said starting price will be $85k (CDN).
Now, of course things could change considering gas prices, design changes, et al, and yes on average we "can" pay up to 20% more due to price gouging, but considering all the hype lately on this topic this may change too, which would mean GM would most likely decide to spread the difference if they couldn't gouge the 20% anymore. We'll see. Would be nice to finally see a "confirmed" spec. sheet, approx. price tag.
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Keep in mind currently the CDN dollar is $1.05 against the US dollar.
I believe the gap in the price difference will be within a few minor g's. I spoke to someone just a few days ago from a local (CDN) GM dealership. And, he said starting price will be $85k (CDN).
Now, of course things could change considering gas prices, design changes, et al, and yes on average we "can" pay up to 20% more due to price gouging, but considering all the hype lately on this topic this may change too, which would mean GM would most likely decide to spread the difference if they couldn't gouge the 20% anymore. We'll see. Would be nice to finally see a "confirmed" spec. sheet, approx. price tag.
In that case ...
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That would be one hell of a driver. At least the stock Z06's I've seen are still in the high 11s low 12 with good tires.
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We'll see. Regardless, no need to insult people you don't know.
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We'll see. Regardless, no need to insult people you don't know.
He may not know the dealer. But we all know how dealers are. About 1% of them are ever right about something.
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We'll see. Regardless, no need to insult people you don't know.
Its common sense really. Think of it this way:

GM priced the base V6 Camaro (LS) a little above the price of the base V6 Mustang (regular V6).

GM priced the up-level V6 Camaros (LT) a little above the price of the up-level V6 Mustang (V6 premium).

GM priced the basic V8 Camaro (1SS) a little above the price of the basic V8 Mustang (regular GT).

GM priced the up-level V8 (2SS) a little above the price of the up-level Mustang (GT premium)

Does it make any sense at all for GM to go ahead and price the supercharged top dog Camaro way way way beyond the price of the supercharged top dog Mustang (GT500)? Particularly when you can go and buy a turn-key aftermarket car from Hennessy, SLP, or others that offer more performance for less money?
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I agree pricing is usually around its competition. Its just good business sense
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True. But, this was not a sales call it was a discussion with a fellow Camaro owner who also works for a GM dealership in Ontario, Canada.
Just looking at my numbers from last year when I bought my 2SS, and got pricing from APA.
Invoice was about: $40k (base) does not include everything else I put on the badass maro. So even if not $85 surely going to be more than $50k (CDN) I would think with a list of upgrades like:
SC, bigger rims / tire package, sway bars, end-links, strut brace, hood, new front fender, bushings, coil-overs, hud, pricing mark-up (profit), price gouging (limited edition), bigger brakes, exhaust, and taxes.
In my mind 70-80k doesn't seem that impossible when you do some simple math especially when these are being touted as some limited edition vehicles.

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Its common sense really. Think of it this way:

GM priced the base V6 Camaro (LS) a little above the price of the base V6 Mustang (regular V6).

GM priced the up-level V6 Camaros (LT) a little above the price of the up-level V6 Mustang (V6 premium).

GM priced the basic V8 Camaro (1SS) a little above the price of the basic V8 Mustang (regular GT).

GM priced the up-level V8 (2SS) a little above the price of the up-level Mustang (GT premium)

Does it make any sense at all for GM to go ahead and price the supercharged top dog Camaro way way way beyond the price of the supercharged top dog Mustang (GT500)? Particularly when you can go and buy a turn-key aftermarket car from Hennessy, SLP, or others that offer more performance for less money?
Very valid points, but doesn't mean anything nowadays. Go to a dealer in Toronto, check out the price tag on a Vette and then look up US prices. You'll be shocked at what you see.
My dream car has always been a Vette, although I can afford the US price, I can't even get my head wrapped around what they're asking for the base or convertible Vette's here in Canada. So, US vs CDN pricing has always been weird, and nobody can ever explain it in plain english or french. LOL
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You the one that needs to wake up, put some mods on your ride and then come talk to me playa'.
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Like i said you can walk out of a caddy dealer with a brand new CTS-V Coupe fully loaded for under 75k. The ZL1 will only hit 70+ if it comes with a LS9, other than that it will be within GT500/SVT Cobra pricing.
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So even if not $85 surely going to be more than $50k (CDN) I would think with a list of upgrades like:
SC, bigger rims / tire package, sway bars, end-links, strut brace, hood, new front fender, bushings, coil-overs, hud, pricing mark-up (profit), price gouging (limited edition), bigger brakes, exhaust, and taxes.
In my mind 70-80k doesn't seem that impossible when you do some simple math. When the time comes someone may be pulling foot out of mouth. LOL
The ZL1 is not going to be a limited edition model, such as the 2011 Indy Pace Car. Chevrolet will build as many ZL1s as there are individuals who will buy them.

You can bet that the ZL1 will be priced a little above the GT500. Any significantly different pricing doesn't make any business sense. Look at the empirical data that is available for the other Camaro and Mustang models. What would the business case be for Chevrolet to deviate the relative ZL1 pricing significantly from the relative pricing of other the models? There isn't one, so it won't happen.

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The ZL1 is not going to be a limited edition model, such as the 2011 Indy Pace Car. Chevrolet will build as many ZL1s as there are individuals who will buy them.

You can bet that the ZL1 will be priced a little above the GT500. Any significantly different pricing doesn't make any business sense. Look at the empirical data that is available for the other Camaro and Mustang models. What would the business case be for Chevrolet to deviate the relative ZL1 pricing significantly from the relative pricing of other the models? There isn't one, so it won't happen.
Believe me I agree in terms of smart business.
Not claiming to know for sure. But, was also told we're not going to get a ton of them here in Canada, so might be another Vette scenario by which consumers pay a premium to drive one in the snow. LOL
Does anyone know if there are 2011, 2012, et al Camaro SS's?
Any chance these will be the unlimited editions and the ZL1 special edition?
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My SS is way better now than when I originally drove it off the lot, wondering daily what the hell was wrong with the car while dudes in ricers were blowing by me daily. Until I took it to a race shop.
I'm currently @ 550hp. NA, will be over 700hp. when the SC is done and that's will be at a mild tune and will match or exceed whatever brakes, tires, and suspension that will be on the ZL1, and it will still cost me less than the price tag of the ZL1.
I am glad you like your SS and are making it the perfect Camaro for you. As your engine work approaches the 700HP mark, I hope for your sake it holds together while are having fun with the ricers. As for me, Chevy built me my dream car in the ZL1 and we will have fun together as we head for retirement.
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The ZL1 is going to floor a LOT of people, methinks.........

Shouldn't make them feel any less about their own cars. Not at all. But I imagine it will demand a level of respect it's not receiving from some people right now...
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Shouldn't make them feel any less about their own cars. Not at all. But I imagine it will demand a level of respect it's not receiving from some people right now...
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I am glad you like your SS and are making it the perfect Camaro for you. As your engine work approaches the 700HP mark, I hope for your sake it holds together while are having fun with the ricers. As for me, Chevy built me my dream car in the ZL1 and we will have fun together as we head for retirement.
Well, lot's of SC'd SS's out there with this power level (and a whole lot more HP's), and lots of happy customers when done correctly. And, I guess some not so happy when not done correctly. To be honest, I was not happy with the stock SS not one bit, and that's what pushed me to start doing mods.
This is why there is speculation that the price range not going to be a measly $50k. for the ZL1, especially, when you have to upgrade many of the engine components along with the other bolt on's when getting into the high power bands. But, I could be wrong as it's obvious there are many vendors, quality levels and costs on parts GM can choose from on the ZL1 platform. Case and point the trunion kit for the rockers (or straight out race rockers), and other engine accessories when doing a "good" CAM job and / or SC. Some, guys keep all stock accessories in the heads, and are either lucky that stuff doesn't break or some guys like me go all out and spend the extra $$$, and feel confident knowing I can be aggressive pushing the vehicle to it's "new" limits.
It is quite expensive to have "top" notch equipment for high performance race type applications. In my case I don't mind spending top $$$ to know I'll have a much superior worry free product in the end. So, my 700+hp. application will perform very reliably and safely. Can't say the same for everybody else, as I'm not resonsible for thier vehicles.
Surely, though it will be fun regardless if it's an SS (with all the latest and greatest mods on my way to 1000+hp., and no warranty ), or a brand new kick-ass ZL1. We will have lot's of fun, that's for sure.

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Shouldn't make them feel any less about their own cars. Not at all. But I imagine it will demand a level of respect it's not receiving from some people right now...
For sure the ZL1 will be a lot of fun, and quite powerfull. Anything over 500hp. is just insane to handle and will rock you back into your seat when you punch the accellerator that's for sure. Will be very intersting though to see the price-tag. I'm curious about that for sure.
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This is a great time to own a chevy camaro, the car is just sweet looking!
Then all the aftermarket companies out their to support our wants and needs, its a time to really cherish, and that's what I'll be doing soon. To
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