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Old 02-28-2009, 03:28 PM   #201
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Well fake hood scoops are kind of a heritage thing if you think about it.. Didn't the 67-69 Camaro SS have fake hood vents on them, how about the early 80's Camaros with the hood scoop that was bolted on and non-functional. and the worst of all in my opinion were the fake hood vents on the IROC Z cars.... So to me the SS mailslot is not a big deal... Just tradition to distinguish one model from another one...
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OK... this is why Junior members need to use the SEARCH FUNCTION!!!!!!!


Yes its not funciton, neither are the brake vents...

it will not take more then a little V shaped piece of plastic to direct incomming rocks and shit away from the release latch. And then you can make it functional.
junior members are only junior till they get 100 posts. a lot of senior members on here have posted identical posts as his.

and it will take more than a little V shaped piece of plastic to make the functionality WORTH it. yeah, you could chop up the front frame to allow for tubing to direct air to the filter box, but being able to supply sufficient air would be another obstacle to overcome.
read some of the other mail-slot functionality threads. its been gone over and over with pictures and everything
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Let's not disrespect people for their cars of choice or necessity. I, for one, drive a Subaru because circumstances were out of my control. Driving a car other than a GM product doesn't make MerlinZero or me any less supportive of GM products.

People complained for months that the V6 and the V8 trims looked too much alike. GM tried to reconcile this by making the V8 different-looking. They're doing their best. If you want to change it, then go get a body kit.

heh....you drive a subaru

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I know this has been beaten to death, but I also hate non-functional riced up methods of differentiating models.
riced up..... if someone put RAM AIR badges/decals on the car, it would be rice. creating a different front fascia resemblant of the concept is not.


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You want to know something, All these months and all the threads about the non functional mail slot on the SS and the fake brake cooling gill slits in front of the rear wheels and I have not seen one complaint about the FAKE cowl induction hood on EVERY 2010 Camaro....
I want a real Cowl Induction Hood!!
thanks Skyman... I was just thinking that...

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Well fake hood scoops are kind of a heritage thing if you think about it.. Didn't the 67-69 Camaro SS have fake hood vents on them, how about the early 80's Camaros with the hood scoop that was bolted on and non-functional. and the worst of all in my opinion were the fake hood vents on the IROC Z cars.... So to me the SS mailslot is not a big deal... Just tradition to distinguish one model from another one...
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This guy is about a year late to the party.
Haven't you noticed the closer to production we get the more of the rehashings of complaints we have been beating to deat will keep popping up again and again...
All Complaints on the hood scoop should be merged into one thread, all complaints of the side gills should be merged into one thread, all the compl;aints about ABL should be merged into one thread and any new member has to read every post in them before they can Start their own thread...
Also any time someboday makes a post about fake anything it shod be deleted before it is posted and the person be redirected to the fake ____threads..
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I really wish I didn't. :upset:
eh, its all good. its an impreza... tho not really that impressive...



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OK... this is why Junior members need to use the SEARCH FUNCTION!!!!!!!


Yes its not funciton, neither are the brake vents...

it will not take more then a little V shaped piece of plastic to direct incomming rocks and shit away from the release latch. And then you can make it functional.
It must be awesome to be a mighty "Senior Member"...I have a senior member, but I don't brag about it...

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GM shows that all the new attention to "quality" went out the window with fake parts for looks -- I say take it off the SS! This is something I would expect on the base model version, not the top of the line!
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It must be awesome to be a mighty "Senior Member"...I have a senior member, but I don't brag about it...



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and you know you are a senior citizen member right? lol
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Ok...don't see how that relates... Am I missing something? Liberty is using his junior member "For the Win"?

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Ok...don't see how that relates... Am I missing something? Liberty is using his junior member "For the Win"?

yeah, im not sure... either way he fails for being a member as long as he has and is just now bitching about the mail slot.


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I thought you were talking about having a "different" member
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he merged the NEW mail-slot thread into the original one.
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Ok here is a little history lesson for you. Back around 1968 the GM/Chevy engineers were working on a way to get some air induction in to the engine. What they discovered was that due to something called the "skin effect" the air near the surface of the car is somewhat static. In order for it to have any effect it must stick up several inches above the surface of the car. That is why you see the pro-stock cars with the snorkel type hoods sticking way up into the air flow. They also discovered that due to the air diverting up the windshield it created a low (EDIT: should be high) pressure area at the base of the windshield. By placing a backward air intake there (ala "cowl induction") they were able to create an air induction system that actually worked/did something. So in 1969 the ZL2 "cowl induction" hood became available on the Camaro. Why, because it worked. Of course you have to have a seal between the hood opening and the air intake into the engine for it to work. The reason that all of those neat little scoops and stuff weren't opened was because they really wouldn't do anything/function much other that letting a bunch of rain and crap in the engine compartment.

Secondly, lets remember those functional air OUTLETS in the backs of the front fenders of the 2nd gen Trans Ams. Why were they there? Because packing a bunch of air under the hood creates lift. At high speeds it can actually create enough lift on the front end to become unstable and dangerous. Those vents were to allow any built up air OUT of the engine compartment and alleviate any high pressure front end lift. Believe it or not GM actually has wind tunnels and knows a bit about aerodynamics.

Now that mailslot being towards the front of the car MAY be less susceptible to the "skin effect" and I suppose it is possible that some air could get in there, but where is it going to go once it's there? If it has no way to get out other than out of the engine compartment and under the car you've got that front end lift thing going. But if you just can't stand the fact that that mailslot isn't open then got for it. Might be better off trying to open the BACK of the hood bulge up somehow and create a cowl induction type of intake, but with the engine air intake being at the front of the motor could be problematic.

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and Skyman, the mods have been working overtime on a lot of stuff behind the scenes trying to clear some of this stuff up. just takes time.
I was just joking, but if you can do that maybe it would help...

I know all the old time members are tired of the same topics that keep popping up all the time, but with my experience from the Sky forum and the launch I know it will keep happening even 2 years or more after the car hits the streets.. there just isn't alot that can be done about new people starting threads on old subjects.... They have a right to their opinion too.... I guess
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Ok here is a little history lesson for you. Back around 1968 the GM/Chevy engineers were working on a way to get some air induction in to the engine. What they discovered was that due to something called the "skin effect" the air near the surface of the car is somewhat static. In order for it to have any effect it must stick up several inches above the surface of the car. That is why you see the pro-stock cars with the snorkel type hoods sticking way up into the air flow. They also discovered that due to the air diverting up the windshield it created a low pressure area at the base of the windshield. By placing a backward air intake there (ala "cowl induction") they were able to create an air induction system that actually worked/did something. So in 1969 the ZL2 "cowl induction" hood became available on the Camaro. Why, because it worked. Of course you have to have a seal between the hood opening and the air intake into the engine for it to work. The reason that all of those neat little scoops and stuff weren't opened was because they really wouldn't do anything/function much other that letting a bunch of rain and crap in the engine compartment.

Secondly, lets remember those functional air OUTLETS in the backs of the front fenders of the 2nd gen Trans Ams. Why were they there? Because packing a bunch of air under the hood creates lift. At high speeds it can actually create enough lift on the front end to become unstable and dangerous. Those vents were to allow any built up air OUT of the engine compartment and alleviate any high pressure front end lift. Believe it or not GM actually has wind tunnels and knows a bit about aerodynamics.

Now that mailslot being towards the front of the car MAY be less susceptible to the "skin effect" and I suppose it is possible that some air could get in there, but where is it going to go once it's there? If it has no way to get out other than out of the engine compartment and under the car you've got that front end lift thing going. But if you just can't stand the fact that that mailslot isn't open then got for it. Might be better off trying to open the BACK of the hood bulge up somehow and create a cowl induction type of intake, but with the engine air intake being at the front of the motor could be problematic.
Just a small correction. GM Knew about the high pressure area at the base of the windshiled for a long time before 1968.. in fact I have seen pictures of NASCAR stockcars from 1963 with a Cowl induction setup. Since they went at a much higher speed than street cars they didn't need to have the hood buldge to get the air pressure effect. they took it in at the cowl vent at the base of the windshield.

Todays cars have much less of that pressure available because of the angle of the windshield. the less upright the windshield is the less pressure is developed, it would take much higher speeds today to get the same effect as they got from the 69 Cowl induction setup. sure it would pull cooler air in, but it would not have the same ram effect..
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Thanks Skyman! Yes in fact you could get a similar set-up for the '67 Z-28's that had a duct back to the slotted vents on the cowl.
I'm sure they have worked hard on airflow managment and aerodymanics and would think arbitrarily cutting open holes in things would most likely do more harm than good IMO. And sorry my post above was soooo long!

I'll correct myself! Should be HIGH pressure area at the base of the windshield also.

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