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Old 05-03-2011, 02:19 PM   #18
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Well, yeah i agree with you on all points. I do think that the improvements to the Mustang have pushed it to a price point that it is no longer as affordable to the average guy. I think in the '80s and '90s the Camaro was always more expensive and there were a lot of 4cylinder Mustangs running around which helped their sales numbers because of their affordability.
The Musangs at my local dealer all have Limited Availability dealer markups on top of the incentives.
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:07 PM   #19
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We won't ever see 12,000 deliveries in a month, April sales will be the peak for the entire year and 10,000 units is pretty high. When ever the 2012 order banks open, you will see a decrease in sales. This should be happening soon because MY12 should start in the beginning of June. I think the incentives should pick up this month on the 2010 Camaro's that are left. Incentives on just the 2010's will stabilize the incoming slump as dealers close out 2011 orders and customers wait for the 2012's. The Mustang is doing incredible for an 8 year old model, 8,000 units a month is unbelievable at this point but Mustang sales are unstable throughout the year. The Camaro is enjoying the pent up demand sales surge but that pent up demand for the convertible is literally destroying the coupe's sales and production. Most of those verts are probably V6's... I did some quick math last month and I figured 50% of Camaro production was convertibles and the Camaro V6 to V8 ratio was 60/40 the last time I heard.

Sales next month will either remain at 10,000 or dip back to March numbers. As soon as the 2012 order banks open, special orders will stop and the only sales will be those that are on the lot. There are a lot of Camaro's out there to pick up and incentives will help get those 2010's moving. Gas prices will affect sales later on as most of the sales numbers we see today were orders made months ago and the unsuspecting customers are receiving their Camaro's now. Convertible sales and production on the Mustang side are very low compared to the coupe and the V8's are almost 50/50 with the V6's but that includes the 5000+ GT500's. Right now, the Camaro's sales have increased by 50% since the convertible was made available and with the new 324hp V6 coming in the summer and the automatic making up 66% of sales... the LS3 may become a rare sight...

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Old 05-03-2011, 03:39 PM   #20
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this is full of fail
Let me know what is wrong with the figures, I would like to hear what you are thinking other than a sentence fragment without any intelligent feedback...
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Old 05-03-2011, 09:37 PM   #21
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Old 05-03-2011, 09:49 PM   #22
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grt 2 see the camaro do so well a grt car for the $$$$$
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Old 05-04-2011, 09:20 AM   #23
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Production

Oshawa is on 2 shifts of production...... I work on assembly line
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Old 05-04-2011, 09:36 AM   #24
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Oshawa is on 2 shifts of production...... I work on assembly line
Really, when did they cut back? last fall?

Edit: can't be last fall, GM added a 3rd shift to the Equinox in October... maybe winter then... and it looks like there were two additional shifts added to the Camaro line in February http://www.autonorth.ca/home/2011/2/...in-oshawa.html

I can't see GM being able to keep a 10,000 unit production tempo with just one shift, it would be awesome if they could though...

Edit #2: While your on here and since you work at the plant, what is the coupe to convertible ratio now? I figured about 50/50 last month... how close was I?

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Old 05-04-2011, 09:50 AM   #25
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We won't ever see 12,000 deliveries in a month, April sales will be the peak for the entire year and 10,000 units is pretty high. When ever the 2012 order banks open, you will see a decrease in sales. This should be happening soon because MY12 should start in the beginning of June. I think the incentives should pick up this month on the 2010 Camaro's that are left. Incentives on just the 2010's will stabilize the incoming slump as dealers close out 2011 orders and customers wait for the 2012's. The Mustang is doing incredible for an 8 year old model, 8,000 units a month is unbelievable at this point but Mustang sales are unstable throughout the year. The Camaro is enjoying the pent up demand sales surge but that pent up demand for the convertible is literally destroying the coupe's sales and production. Most of those verts are probably V6's... I did some quick math last month and I figured 50% of Camaro production was convertibles and the Camaro V6 to V8 ratio was 60/40 the last time I heard.
Its had about as substantial of a reworking over those 8 years as a car's going to get, but I agree it's unbelievable 8,000 Mustangs were sold last month Great month for the manufacturers for sure

Out of curiosity Pill, why do you think so many people are still special ordering Camaros? I would think that the percentage of people ordering from the factory would be almost insignificant at this point.
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Old 05-04-2011, 10:27 AM   #26
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There are two separate lines in Oshawa...Consolidated Line produces Equinox and Impala's running 3 shifts.....Flex Line produces Camaro and Regal on a 2 shift operation......vert/coupe ratio close to 50/50..V8 seems to be picking up ....surprisingly ...since gas prices have shot up
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Out of curiosity Pill, why do you think so many people are still special ordering Camaros? I would think that the percentage of people ordering from the factory would be almost insignificant at this point.
It's our god given right to order a brand new car. When you go into a store and buy a new TV, furniture or anything for that matter... We never want the floor model... Give it to us in the box. Same thing applies to new car sales and that is the smart way to buy. Only the last in line or deal seekers will take a floor model home, special orders "should" be the majority of these cars sales (Mustang, Corvette, Chally included). Pre-orders are also considered special orders too.. If the product isn't available yet, we can order them the way we want... If I am paying over $20,000 for a new car, I will always order it from the catalog... I will never pick it from the lot. I am willing to pay the little extra if I need to. If you look around on this forum, you will see that a large majority ordered the car special and took delivery.... that's just the way it is.

These cars are more than just transportation, If I wanted a Fiesta because I really needed a car and wasn't into being raped on rental fees.. I would walk in and buy one. These vehicles are status vehicles, regardless of the engine size, just as I wouldn't want a floor model leather couch in my living room, I wouldn't want a test vehicle in my driveway.

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Old 05-04-2011, 01:15 PM   #29
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There are two separate lines in Oshawa...Consolidated Line produces Equinox and Impala's running 3 shifts.....Flex Line produces Camaro and Regal on a 2 shift operation......vert/coupe ratio close to 50/50..V8 seems to be picking up ....surprisingly ...since gas prices have shot up
Thanks bro, I figured close to 50/50. Again, thanks for the info.. and keep them rollin'
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Old 05-04-2011, 02:11 PM   #30
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Either my dealer is building inventory for the Summer or we are going to see some incentives soon. He has 26 Camaros!
But the Camaro did whip up on the Mustang pretty badly.
Might we see a 12,000 or even 15,000 sales month next year?
I hope we see those numbers this month.
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Old 05-04-2011, 02:20 PM   #31
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Didn't someone say a few years ago that the business case was made for the Camaro if it could sell 100,000 a year? I just noticed on the graph that is about what it is doing. Perhaps Chevy is carefully watching sales rates, production and incentives to make sure it doesn't drop below 100K per 12 month period?

Camaro must be a cash cow for Gm right now and should easily pay for all the development and tooling on time.
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I just noticed in the YTD graph that Camaro has already sold 7000 more than Mustang in just the first 4 months of the year. If that rate continues then it will beat the Mustang by 21,000!!! And the Mustang has incnetives and the Camaro very little if any!
Since the 1st Camaro was sold in April 2009 19,000 more Camaros have been sold than Mustangs. So by the end of the year it might very will be 40,000 more Camaros total.
It is clear that the Camaro is increasing it's sales lead with each passing month.
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Old 05-04-2011, 02:53 PM   #33
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Didn't someone say a few years ago that the business case was made for the Camaro if it could sell 100,000 a year? I just noticed on the graph that is about what it is doing. Perhaps Chevy is carefully watching sales rates, production and incentives to make sure it doesn't drop below 100K per 12 month period?

Camaro must be a cash cow for Gm right now and should easily pay for all the development and tooling on time.
Bob Lutz insinuated that the Camaro program would need to move approximately 90k units a year to be profitable, although that comment is so old now I'm not sure I could find any good references even if I looked.
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Old 05-04-2011, 02:56 PM   #34
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Well done Team Camaro!!

And FYI, I believe it was very early last year (March I think?) that GM announced that the Camaro was offically making a profit. Essentially the first model year was spent mostly recovering losses involved in initial startup and tooling. Everything since then has been profit.
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