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Old 05-16-2011, 04:17 PM   #15
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There will always be, and peoples will always find another way to make more power regardless of not being able to put an actual header. The biggest restriction for us current LLT is tuning.
2012 LFX will not be short in this department with the new delphi ECU and E85 capability. Plus our only current tuner and other companies are already working on a tune for this new LFX.
There will be alot of possibility with this new e85 fuel flex LFX. Especially when someone throw boost to it.
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Old 05-16-2011, 04:31 PM   #16
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This article implies that the car will get 30MPG. I thought that the 2LS got 30MPG because of the different axle ratio, not a different engine. If that's the case, then wouldn't this new design get even better MPG?
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Old 05-16-2011, 04:40 PM   #17
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This article implies that the car will get 30MPG. I thought that the 2LS got 30MPG because of the different axle ratio, not a different engine. If that's the case, then wouldn't this new design get even better MPG?
It might, but it could also be that if the 2011 2LS technically were rated at (I'm just making these numbers up) 29.7 mpg and this gets 30.3, they would both be rounded to 30 mpg even though the new engine is a bit more efficient.
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Old 05-16-2011, 04:40 PM   #18
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These heads are screaming for a turbo to be mounted right there...
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unreal how far the V6 has come.. The V8's always had the power but I never thought we would see the V6 at this point, im guessing within 10 years we may see around 375hp from the V6!!!
Have you not seen the all aluminum Ford Ecoboost 3.5L Twin-Turbo V6? 365hp/420tq. A F150 4x2 in perfect conditions with the ecoboost can easily flirt with 30mpg. Makes ya wonder what that could do in the Camaro.

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Old 05-16-2011, 04:45 PM   #19
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im pretty sure the after market folks will find a way to get more power out of this. it''ll just take time.
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Old 05-16-2011, 04:50 PM   #20
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They won't be maxed out on a car that sells for under $25,000. They did it to save weight and save cost, not improve performance.
I never implied that they would be. I just said that V6 people better hope that it is. I know it obviously won't be.

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323 HP from the factory sounds like a nice amount.
It would be if the car didn't weigh 3700+ lbs (which is what the current V6 weighs, give or take). 323 hauling that much weight around is not going to be a quick car :(

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There will always be, and peoples will always find another way to make more power regardless of not being able to put an actual header. The biggest restriction for us current LLT is tuning.
2012 LFX will not be short in this department with the new delphi ECU and E85 capability. Plus our only current tuner and other companies are already working on a tune for this new LFX.
There will be alot of possibility with this new e85 fuel flex LFX. Especially when someone throw boost to it.
Yeah, there will be A LOT of boost potential for people who run e85. Should be interesting to see what people end up with when they go FI on the new FlexFuel V6. If the internals are sturdy enough, you should be able to run a lot of boost on that engine without knocking
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Thumbs down How about increased HEAT RETAINED IN HEAD OR WARPING?

I am sure they've tested and tested and tested.......... But I can't help but feel that the head is being asked to do more within a smaller space resulting in quicker fatique and thus........... UH OH!!
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Old 05-16-2011, 06:09 PM   #22
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Have you not seen the all aluminum Ford Ecoboost 3.5L V6? 365hp/420tq. A F150 4x2 in perfect conditions with the ecoboost can easily flirt with 30mpg. Makes ya wonder what that could do in the Camaro.
V6 EcoBoost = twin-turbos.

Twin-turbos on the Camaro V6 - if it could handle it without needing a reworking - should be able to put out better numbers than the LS3. But it would cost considerably more to produce, too.
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Old 05-16-2011, 06:14 PM   #23
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welcome to 2003... Honda has done this with great success... now if only Honda can make a dohc DI v6 like GM/Ford/Chrysler..
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V6 EcoBoost = twin-turbos.

Twin-turbos on the Camaro V6 - if it could handle it without needing a reworking - should be able to put out better numbers than the LS3. But it would cost considerably more to produce, too.
Oops, forgot to say Twins. Updated my orig post.
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Makes me even more excited to get a 2012 along with the power-passenger seat
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V6 EcoBoost = twin-turbos.

Twin-turbos on the Camaro V6 - if it could handle it without needing a reworking - should be able to put out better numbers than the LS3. But it would cost considerably more to produce, too.
It would definitely need to be reworked. And GM would need to give it a lot of boost. A big reason for why OEMs go with those turbo 6's is fuel economy. Cranking up the boost hurts fuel economy in gas engines. So while building a 430 hp TTV6 is possible, it isn't going to save you much gas over an LS3. Or weight. Or money (well, it definitely won't save you money).

And keep in mind that if a gen IV port injected 6.2L LS3 makes 426-436 hp ... imagine what a gen V direct injected 6.2L V8 would make (I'm thinking of a number, and it starts with 5 ... ). Little chance a turbocharged V6 could make that power and get the same efficiency. One or the other, just not both.
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I dont know about anyone else, but I'm interested in the composit intake manifold and new fuel rails.
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Have you not seen the all aluminum Ford Ecoboost 3.5L Twin-Turbo V6? 365hp/420tq. A F150 4x2 in perfect conditions with the ecoboost can easily flirt with 30mpg. Makes ya wonder what that could do in the Camaro.
Im talking about 375 hp without turbos... It right around the corner.
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