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Old 10-06-2010, 08:41 PM   #52
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Hmmm, hot torch, hot chick, short shorts, tail light reference - I see a trend here....
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Old 10-06-2010, 09:02 PM   #53
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as soon as you send me my new tail lights, I will GLADY be voiding my tail light warranty....
Week after next there are going to be a bunch of Camaros running around that are no longer eligible for tail light repairs.
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I was thinking this could void the Marriage......
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I'm merging this with the sticky.
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The M-M Act is great, but time after time dealers and reps violate it and unjustly deny warranty claims. This happens under every maker not just GM. In the end they can do what they want. Going to court over it is a long and expensive process. It doesn't happen all the time but often enough. I've seen it first hand. It was a huge problem with the '03 Cobra. Look at the car the wrong way and they were denying claims. Of course it didn't stop me from putting a pile of parts on my car while I still had paper plates but that's just me. Mod at your own risk.
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The ONLY time I have ever heard of this happening with a GM car was many years ago a guy showed up at the dealer with a busted tranny in his WS6 trans am. The dealer looked underneath and found enough rubber in the wheelwells to peel it out and make new tires. They denied it and the guy posted the receipt from the dealer online and complained... he got no support.



No they will NEVER reprogram the computer to bypass any original controls or anything else. This is easily remedied by a skip shift eliminator sold by any number of forum vendors, it plugs in and is easily removable for warranty work.



Using launch control or any factory included features will not void your warranty. As well unless you give them a reason (You come in with rubber in your wheelwells, numbers on the side of the car, a rollbar installed with a logbook in the glovebox, etc) they would never know you were racing.

In the end look at this from their side. If you sold a product and someone modified it and it broke DUE TO that modification would YOU be willing to fix it free for them? I know I would tell them to go pound sand as I made the product to work one way and they decided to use it another. It doesn't mean if you change the intake your exhaust warranty is gone, but if you change the intake and the IAT sensor goes, the intake has a direct effect, sorry.
I need some help here with your infallible premise that filtered ambient air flowing through an aftermarket intake tube across an IAT sensor can be the cause for the sensor failure, sorry. Can you explain the direct effect ?
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It will likely void your chassis warranty.

Reason? The car was designed, engineered, tested and manufactured with a certain suspension setting. If you modify it, you are giving up your warranty.

What everyone seems to be missing is MM and all of this other discussion only says the manufacturer has to honor THEIR STATED WARRANTY. It does not give you any more warranty coverage than what the manufacturer states................and GM clearly states if you modify the parts your warranty is voided.



There was a highly publicized case several years ago of another OEM hanging out at race tracks and collecting VINs. GM has to my knowledge been very understanding in this regard. Now if you bring your Camaro in with racing slicks and a roll bar you might be out of luck.



If your dealer is not helping you, please call GM Customer Service at 1-866-509-9090. If you aren't satisfied, PM me with the SR (Service Request) Number and I will use our internal escalation process.



Keep in mind folks, your dealer has to get most approvals from GM in order to do warranty work done. For powertrain warranty, first step is to submit the cal file to GM for review in order to get approval.

And in every case, the dealer has to return the parts to GM for inspection. This is for two reasons, to make sure dealers are replacing bad parts and for GM engineers to be able to review the parts to root cause the issue in order to improve future cars.

And for everyone with examples of having a supercharger and GM paying for the warranty? First question is did the dealer do the install? If so, like GTA and his Tom Henry car, he has a warranty with Tom Henry, not GM or anyother dealer. But GM will also do "good will" repairs. And I believe for the Camaro transmissions this was done...........regardless of modifications. Refer to the transmission threads here on C5.

If you get a lawyer, be prepared to go up against a lot of GM engineering data. GM knows the limits of the powertrain. They've tested to find those limits. And when your mod exceeds those limits you'll have a hard time in court. But that's just an engineers opinion. A lawyer charging you by the hour probably has another.

I'm still waiting to see evidence of a case where someone popped a SC on or re-calibrated the ECU and went to court to have the warranty restated. I haven't seen one yet.................but we keep talking about it in threads like this like it could actually happen.

The stated warranty is pretty clear, and I can assure you GM has no desire to refuse your warranty repair. But keep in mind if you modify, then all bets are off and no one should be bad mouthing GM or any other OEM.
You do not need an expensive and prestigious attorney for your day in court. I would advise anyone who believes he or she has been unjustly denied a warranty claim to do the following. First find a knowledgeable individual to evaluate your vehicle's part failure and whose testimony can be used as an expert witness. Have your repairs performed at a reputable repair facility. Review your state's small claims court procedures and properly file a claim. Florida's small claims court is for claims up to $5,000.
You can sue for up to $5,000 claims plus costs and attorney's fees if you choose to utilize one. The small claims court judge will decide who prevails based on the discovery and testimony presented. If the dealership did not employ due diligence in determining the root cause of the part failure and prove it to the satisfaction of the judge, the judge is likely to rule in favor of the claimant. Just do not file a frivolous claim where there is not a reasonable chance of prevailing based on the discovery you are able to present in court.
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^solid advice.
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I would like to have AFM removed but if I do, it appears that GM would disavow the power train warranty. As the only way I know how to do it is through a tune.

Even if the tune ONLY disables the AFM. Even tho that would under the Magnuson-Moss Act I should be able to. So the act doesn't help with that issue, unless I can afford to pay a lawyer and wait a couple of years for resolution. Until/unless that happens GM doesn't have to prove anything!

Not sure the Magnuson-Moss Act really of that much benefit to the average joe.
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Ive said this in other threads -

Every time I see someone offer a MODIFICATION for a car someone asks if it will void the warranty. In short -
IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR WARRANTY 100% DO NOT MODIFY YOUR CAR

Every modification will void some part of your warranty. A dealer has no responsibility to fix, under warranty, anything that was modified after it left the dealership and trust me, they WILL use every excuse possible.

It is good to know your rights, but it takes money to use them and the dealerships know this. It is usually going to be cheaper to repair the car yourself than fight it out in court. I know that the dealer will eventually be required to pay lawyer fees IF you win, but you will still be out a lot of money up front and your car will be down in the meantime.

I have a decent background modifying cars and dealing with dealerships and my message is this - If you cannot afford to pay to fix something YOU broke modifying your car, DO NOT MODIFY IT.
While I don't 100% agree with the statement that every aftermarket part will void some part of your warranty, I 100% agree with the statement that if you don't want to take a chance don't add aftermarket parts.

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All the more reason for this question, If GM installs the Mods on your car, GM Performance exhaust, and GM shorty headers, options from the factory albeit not available it should be like anything else on the car, Warrantied, Right?
The beauty of the GMPP accessories installed by an approved GM dealer is that they don't affect your warranty. They have been tested and verified with your car.

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Absolutely Untrue....

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/conten...ty-intact.html

Under the Magnuson-Moss Act, a dealer must prove, not just vocalize, that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before it can deny warranty coverage. If the dealer cannot prove such a claim — or it proffers a questionable explanation — it is your legal right to demand compliance with the warranty. The Federal Trade Commission administers the Magnuson-Moss Act and monitors compliance with warranty law.

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Read more: http://www.dummies.com/how-to/conten...#ixzz0cuElkzZZ

My dealer replaced My tranny after Supercharger installed LT headers, flow thru cats, Corsa exhaust, RIP shift short throw shifter, Hennesy CAI and Tune... They even did all the installs!

Also replaced a friends Tranny twice who had same setup as mine...He blew second gear twice from miss shifting and they repaired it with new tranny twice.

In summary if they can prove the mods actually caused the failure than your out of luck. My dealer didn't even blink. Just fixed and quickly !
Completely agree. The act does put the onus on the dealer to prove that the mod broke your car. But I would caution here that there is a lot of margin here. For example, you add a CAI intake which ups the HP on your car. You break the output shaft on the transmission. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to make a connection there whether it was related or not. Now, we know there were early issues with output shafts and maybe you have a dealer that will replace it under warranty with no questions asked about the CAI. But are you willing to take that chance? As someone else posted in another thread, you have to pay to play and if you aren't willing to pay then don't take the chance with add major mods.

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It dosn't matter if you have it in writing or not. If you get a product from GM or GE. The warranty is a gimmic to get your money. The dealers ( and companies) for the most part, will try everything they can to get out of helping you.
I totally disagree. I have a great dealer who has been awesome about any warranty work. And in general, GM hasn't pushed back on the many warranty related items that I have been involved in. However, GM runs a for-profit business and it is not in their best interest to just go fixing every issue free of charge when the problem truly does originate from an add-on that the car owner installed or had installed. Put yourself in GM's shoes and look at each case as if it was your business. Some you would bend on and some you won't. Plan and simple.

Bottom line: if you can't pay to play, don't mess with your car.
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While I don't 100% agree with the statement that every aftermarket part will void some part of your warranty, I 100% agree with the statement that if you don't want to take a chance don't add aftermarket parts.



The beauty of the GMPP accessories installed by an approved GM dealer is that they don't affect your warranty. They have been tested and verified with your car.



Completely agree. The act does put the onus on the dealer to prove that the mod broke your car. But I would caution here that there is a lot of margin here. For example, you add a CAI intake which ups the HP on your car. You break the output shaft on the transmission. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to make a connection there whether it was related or not. Now, we know there were early issues with output shafts and maybe you have a dealer that will replace it under warranty with no questions asked about the CAI. But are you willing to take that chance? As someone else posted in another thread, you have to pay to play and if you aren't willing to pay then don't take the chance with add major mods.



I totally disagree. I have a great dealer who has been awesome about any warranty work. And in general, GM hasn't pushed back on the many warranty related items that I have been involved in. However, GM runs a for-profit business and it is not in their best interest to just go fixing every issue free of charge when the problem truly does originate from an add-on that the car owner installed or had installed. Put yourself in GM's shoes and look at each case as if it was your business. Some you would bend on and some you won't. Plan and simple.

Bottom line: if you can't pay to play, don't mess with your car.
Looks like you guys are right. It all depends what kind of people are working at your dealership. I bought my Camaro from Jim Bishop Chevrolet. Then went back and bought a gmc acadia. Then I had a problem with the clutch not coming up when I took off. I knew how to do a launch, But didnt at the time. And yet the dealer said it was something I done. Went another dealer and they just kept asking me why I had a different set of tires on the back and a CAI. None of there business really. And Nothing to do with the problem. The other dealer did check the car out though. AND put a new tailshaft seal! SO I traded the car to them for a new Chevy 4 door truck. I wont do business with the Jim Bishop guys again. I will continue to give the other guys my money until they show me that they dont want it.
And I think these forums are a great tool for anyone who wants to know where the good guys are. People will drive a long way to deal with someone with the right attitude.
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Old 04-18-2011, 07:08 PM   #63
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Thanks for the information this answers my question that I was going to ask in the forum. I think that I will leave out the cold air intake.
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ok so is the car warrenty void if you have a no mod car and take it to the dragstrip a few times.
lets say after you take it to the strip a few months later you have a clutch or rear end problem will you still be covered?

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Old 06-30-2011, 02:09 PM   #65
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Good read. Thanks for the info. I'm planning on adding a CAI and a Cat-Back system in the near future. Since both are bolt-on, I'm not to worried. I'll make sure to check with the dealer ahead of time, but its good to know that my warranty rights are protected.
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ok so is the car warrenty void if you have a no mod car and take it to the dragstrip a few times.
lets say after you take it to the strip a few months later you have a clutch or rear end problem will you still be covered?

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Xracer, since no one directly answered your question, I thought I would pipe up. Unfortunately, that is a bit of a tricky question and a gray area. The warranty doesn't explicitly say anything about racing or track use that I could find. Although, it does state "All the above items are not covered for damage due to accident, misuse,...". Again, this probably really comes down to the relationship you have with your dealer and the kind of damage that you do. If you tell them you were at the track when it happened, they might consider that misuse. Also, keep in mind that most insurance companies don't cover any damage to a car that happens on a track. Many tracks offer supplemental insurance for a few. Just something else to consider.
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The warranty doesn't explicitly say anything about racing or track use that I could find. "
No disrespect, but if you're going to be on here representing GM, please have your facts straight. You're supposed to be the resident expert, here..

Below is the page in the warranty booklet. (The highlighted text was used to make a different point in another thread. It's not relevant to this specific topic.)
Bullet point 2 says that if you damage the car during racing, the warranty will not cover repairs.
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No disrespect, but if you're going to be on here representing GM, please have your facts straight. You're supposed to be the resident expert, here..

Below is the page in the warranty booklet. (The highlighted text was used to make a different point in another thread. It's not relevant to this specific topic.)
Bullet point 2 says that if you damage the car during racing, the warranty will not cover repairs.
First of all, I want to be clear. I am not on here representing GM. I don't work for GM and I have no affiliation with GM. So please don't make assumptions about me. I was reading directly from the Chevy Warranty Web Site, so I apologize for missing the exact wording from whatever manual you have copied that excerpt from.

For more detail, there is actually this statement in the Owner's Manual under Competitive Driving:

Competitive Driving
Competitive driving may affect the vehicle warranty. See the warranty book before using the vehicle for racing or other competitive driving.
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