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Old 06-11-2011, 12:09 AM   #341
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Hmmm, what if it did possibly get a GenV?

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Would we have to wait on a Gen VI Camaro?
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Old 06-11-2011, 12:48 AM   #342
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Hmmm, what if the 5th gen did possibly get a GenV?

Just sayin'. :emoticon7:
If the Z28 does, so will the SS at about the same time ...
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Old 06-11-2011, 01:32 AM   #343
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IF it does, that would be a safe bet.

On a side note, the next gen Mustang is coming for '14 and everything about it sounds REALLY good. Probably a good time for some Camaro updates.


Again, just sayin'.
Rumours almost always sound better than reality too ... just sayin'
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Old 06-11-2011, 02:41 PM   #344
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It was announced that the ZL1 will get an automatic transmission. It was also stated that the ZL1 with be the ultimate drag strip, and track car. That just doesn't look good for us Z/28 dreamers.
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Old 06-11-2011, 05:01 PM   #345
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As much as I like what I'm hearing in regards the ZL1, I fear it will be quite pricey thereby leaving much room for the Z28. I hope.
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Old 06-11-2011, 06:06 PM   #346
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I can really hear and understand what all of you are saying with the corvette being the supreme GM car. That it should get the Gen V motor first. But in the same regards, it makes more sense for the Z28 to get it first, it is a higher volume car (the camaro in general) the LS7 is expensive as hell and would make the camaro version that much more unattainable for the average Joe. GM is in the business to make money and they would sell a hell of a lot more "Z28's" then they would the new corvette with it in it. That recoups the R&D costs quicker. Who says that the Corvette can't get a better version of a DI GenV motor? Maybe more along the lines of a 6.2L DI? LS3 motor we have in our cars is the low grade corvette motor and it is rated for less HP than in the corvette. It can stay the top dog, but Gm can make more money off of the 5.5L in the camaro...just sayin.
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Old 06-11-2011, 06:59 PM   #347
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Ya know, after 8 years without a Camaro in production, I'm just glad we can discuss these things. I remember signing up for some website in 2003 or 2004 that let people "sign a petition" to bring back the Camaro. Then I found this website in 2006. I've owned six Camaros (four z/28s) over the last 20 years and still have two in my garage. At some point I do hope to get a 5th gen or maybe even a 6th gen!

Ok back on topic. At some point I'm sure we will see a z/28 again. This month's Car Craft had an old quote attributed to Al Oppenheiser about the Camaro's rich naming history that the team can choose from as they roll out new models. I think one thing we can all agree on is that the z/28 name is by far the name/model that is most associated with the Camaro brand.

Have faith, it will be back. Not sure if it will be a 5th or 6th gen, but I'm holding out hope that we will see it back as both a 5th and 6th gen!!!!
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The "Point" of this thread is how can we prove a 5Gen Z28 is possible and warranted.
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Old 06-11-2011, 07:48 PM   #349
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The "Point" of this thread is how can we prove a 5Gen Z28 is possible and warranted.
Possibility is easy: Yes!! Warranted investment is almost impossible for anyone other than those behind the locked doors...
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I guess that "points" vary from person to person. A DI smallblock V8 is possible in a gen5 camaro. Why wouldn't it be? They have a V6 version now and they have been testing the DI platform for 5 years. Do you really think GM is happy standing pat with just a V6 DI engine. 2013/14 are still two model years away!! How long do you think that they test cars/engines for? I am sure that there is a mule camaro and corvettealready somewhere hidden somewhere with one in it. The cost of the LS7 does not warrant the production of a Z28, pushing for it I think actually inhibits it.
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I'd like the DI. If we can get it in a 5Gen, however the LS7 is ready now. I just want a 5Gen Z28!
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I'd like the DI. If we can get it in a 5Gen, however the LS7 is ready now. I just want a 5Gen Z28!


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The only down side to DI is the lack of tuning software. Bosch has it locked down tight. The leads to my question.

If the Z28 comes with DI will it help or hurt sales?
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Old 06-13-2011, 12:50 PM   #354
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Hmmm, what if the 5th gen did possibly get a GenV?

Just sayin'. :emoticon7:
Hmm, where have I heard this before.....

I have brought this up many times, and for the most part still believe its a very likely option. A base line LS7 Z28 would most likely cost us around 45-48 msrp, but a GenV V8 could have us at 38-40 msrp. Now this is if the SS also gets the GenV V8 with a different tune. When the launch of the GenV V8 comes along I see 4 different versions released at one time, a replacement for the LS9 (also the LSA both with same internals this time just a different Supercharger), a hand built replacement for the LS7, a replacement for the LS3 for truck and SS duty, and another for the Z28 and Corvette GS.
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The only down side to DI is the lack of tuning software. Bosch has it locked down tight. The leads to my question.

If the Z28 comes with DI will it help or hurt sales?
yes the V6 people are slowing working out the tunning. so hopefully what they are learning can be applied in this situation.
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Now that the ZL1 will be available with an Automatic, the differentiation for the Zee28 is suddenly clearer...STICK ONLY...as one would expect for an enthusiast-centered, track-likely canyon carver. I'm not saying this makes the ZL1 any less of a "halo", and it surely adds to its potential sales. But the Zee, for me, is now in a different Class...just as the GT500 (600?) is to the BOSS.

With this newfound "focus" for the Zee, the debate concerning (LT1, is it?)Gen-5 SBC vs. LS7 (the only REAL alternatives?!) is one of "intent" and "timing" and "viability". And the predication for this debate, or Business Case (call it what you will), would center around WHEN...

When is it conceiveable for GM to foist this much-needed and -anticipated version? How quickly can the Team ready, for Production, the Zee? Or, rather, how quickly DO THEY WARRANT its necessity, at whatever risk they assign its potential sales against the ZL1's numbers?

If there is concern about folks "settling" for a Zee at the expense of the ZL1, it would frankly put the ENTIRE Program at risk. Why? 'Cause the clock is ticking on the Gen-5 platform. 'Cause the costs incurred for the Gen-5 Camaro Zee Program have to be amortized over "X" units, and the sooner the Program launches, the easier the costs will be to recover, and true profit$ will be realized, and the lower the end MSRP is likely to be and, therefore, the ultimate sales success for the Program...

That scenario, in and of itself, means the Gen-5 engine is likely at best a '14-MY intro (somewhere early-'13 calendar year or so). Is that long enough to recoup? Me thinks NOT...not with Alfie due shortly thereafter, by MY '15...

Which brings us four-square back to our good ol' friend, the LS7...available NOW...certifiable/validatable NOW...or anytime the Team deems "appropriate". Complete with ZL1 driveline components which are undergoing this process as we speak.

Production is now slated to commence 1st 1/4 '12 as MY '12s, for the ZL1:

1) How many of those potential folks would really rally 'round a Zee, instead? At $10K less for admittedly less content, but no less road course excitement, and just about as many grins on the daily commute?

2) Or, would our Zee-lusting brothers and sisters simply avoid a ZL1, anyway, but be willing to open a payment account for the Zee, instead?

That was Ford's conundrum, and we know how that turned out.

Will GM do something for US?

Stay tuned...

EDIT:

An historical "been there-done that" occurs to me... Fred Gibb, with Dick Harrell, "blindly" ordered the first 50 Gen-One ZL1s, with Vince Piggins' assurances that the "price would be right"...and then the "beancounters" (not for the first time, and certainly not for the last...) made Vince, and Gibb, and 19 other orderers PAY...150% more for the COPO 9560 Package than the basic Camaro chassis retailed for. If you take a Base LS Camaro, and factor in 150%...BANG ON what a loaded ZL1 will be, again. Maybe THAT'S why the late name change...

As to the likelihood of a Zee...the clock IS ticking...

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You are right, the clock is ticking.
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