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Old 06-11-2011, 06:35 PM   #51
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I wonder if the PTM will be standard or available as an option or a part of a "track pack" similar to what the GT500 offers? Any word on this or was it just mentioned that it would be "available".

I'm thinking if it isn't standard (in order to keep the entry level price down) and they do offer this theoretical track pack, the light weight SSX wheels would be a part of the package.


Original post was ambiguous about the PTM being standard or available, and I wondered the same thing. If the grammar is correct, our Home Page is reporting Auto trans as an available option and the PTM as standard equipment on ZL1.

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Now we can shift gears and start fantasizing about the "Guaranteed to be astounding" HP numbers we'll get in a few months.


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Nice to have the Auto option, just please don't detune it like they did on the L99 auto's. If GM does go that route, have the option to delet the "Active Fuel Management system" Haven't seen any fuel numbers on the that motor in Cadillac CTS-V, is there a Gas Guzzler tax ?
Yup, and I'm not 100% sure, but I believe it is higher in the auto version.
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Nice to have the Auto option, just please don't detune it like they did on the L99 auto's. If GM does go that route, have the option to delet the "Active Fuel Management system" Haven't seen any fuel numbers on the that motor in Cadillac CTS-V, is there a Gas Guzzler tax ?


It will more than likely have a gas tax on it, if so no restrictions
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From what little research I have done on the CTS-V Coupe, gas guzzler tax is $1,300 on the manual and $2,600 on the automatic. The ZL1 auto option is SWEET to have.
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Al said the numbers will astound us...that says it all !! Nuff said..., any questions??? Bring it on GM, b r i n g i t o n....!!!
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I just hope they don't lower the horsepower to make it equal with the manual for the qtr mile. The new 5.0 mustang auto seriously destroys the manual.
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Nice to have the Auto option, just please don't detune it like they did on the L99 auto's. If GM does go that route, have the option to delet the "Active Fuel Management system" Haven't seen any fuel numbers on the that motor in Cadillac CTS-V, is there a Gas Guzzler tax ?
They won't. I'm 95% sure of it...this car mirrors many of the features of the CTS-V, and it's not detuned. There is a GG tax on the CTS-V. Currently it sits at 14/19 mpg. I think the Camaro team can do something to improve that, though. After all, when introduced, the 3.6L CTS had a 26mpg hwy rating, and Camaro managed 29, and now 30 with the 2LS model. I'm optimistic they can avoid the GG tax to further compete with the GT500...we'll have to see.

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I guessing that this 55K Camaro you speak of is still just a estimated price tag?!
Yes. No official prices (or performance statistics, for that matter) have been released. A couple more months until we know that...

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I wonder if the PTM will be standard or available as an option or a part of a "track pack" similar to what the GT500 offers? Any word on this or was it just mentioned that it would be "available".

I'm thinking if it isn't standard (in order to keep the entry level price down) and they do offer this theoretical track pack, the light weight SSX wheels would be a part of the package.
Generally...with things like MRC, and traction control systems, they're standard features. All the engineering and programming that goes into dialing these systems for the Camaro would be wasted if it's not standard.

People thought the SSs FE4 suspension tuning would be optional, but it's standard. I don't think they specified on PTM, though.
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I wonder what size TC this auto will have...

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I wonder what size TC this auto will have...

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If it's the same unit as in the CTS-V (which I'd bet it is): 300mm.
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If it's the same unit as in the CTS-V (which I'd bet it is): 300mm.
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HP and Price

Al was pretty clear that the HP numbers WILL be HIGHER than the 550 that the CTS-V has and that the price will not be disclosed.

After to talking to a different Camaro Team Builder/Designer.... they have not set a price, but they do have a ballpark number.

They are going to release all the details "PROPERLY" through the media he (Al Op.) said as well.

The other team member said approximately a month before you are able to order.

Al, also said that production is in the 1st quarter of 2012, but would not get any more specific.
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I think that is right.
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SWEET!!! Great news. Now, I have to ask myself if I'd rather go fast or look like I can drive fast, lol.

I'm sure the converter in those models are going to be pretty tight, for MPG reasons. There are many of our vendors who can help us out with that though.
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Al was pretty clear the the HP numbers WILL be HIGHER than the 550 the the CTS-V has and that the price will not be disclosed.

After to talking to a different Camaro Team Builder/Designer.... they have not set a price, but they do have a ballpark number.

They are going to release all the details "PROPERLY" through the media he (Al Op.) said as well.

The other team member said approximately a month before you are able to order.

Al, also said that production is in the 1st quarter of 2012, but would not get any more specific.
Thanks for this information!!

Man, I wish I could've been up there.

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This news is great. For me it would only be real good news if the hp is the same. If they make it less, then that stinks. I know when this comes out im going to maybe want to buy it.
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Man, I wish I could've been up there.


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This news is great. For me it would only be real good news if the hp is the same. If they make it less, then that stinks. I know when this comes out im going to maybe want to buy it.
As I said in the auto poll thread, they don't have a reason to make a variant of the LSA as they did the LS3 to L99. IIRC, they only made the L99 to dodge the gas guzzler tax, but the ZL1 will get hit with it no matter what they do; well, within reason anyway.
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The CTS V automatic is the one GM chose to set fast time around the "ring" ...

I would imagine the new camaro with this new suspension system and upgraded transmission will be the fast ticket...

Thats the one I'd purchase......and for those who want a convertible version....I'd say....if you have the coin it'll be available a year or so after launch..

Expect to pay quite a few bucks for the convertible ZL1 but it will in my opinion be available...
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I'm optimistic they can avoid the GG tax to further compete with the GT500...we'll have to see.
This would be very nice, but I fully expect to pay a GG tax. And with comments like this below, comments that make me very happy, I'll gladly pay the tax.


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Al was pretty clear the the HP numbers WILL be HIGHER than the 550 the the CTS-V has and that the price will not be disclosed.
I definitely don't want compromises in regards to power for the sake of avoiding the GG tax. If they can somehow pull off both at the same time, great, but all out performance for me is the number one goal not avoiding the tax. Al's words are very encouraging to say the least, so I have faith they won't cripple power output to avoid the GG tax.


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Generally...with things like MRC, and traction control systems, they're standard features. All the engineering and programming that goes into dialing these systems for the Camaro would be wasted if it's not standard.

People thought the SSs FE4 suspension tuning would be optional, but it's standard. I don't think they specified on PTM, though.
I'm sure you are right, it definitely makes the most sense that way.

I'm just thinking in line with the ZL1's main competitor, the GT500. I have a hard time rationalizing how they are going to offer all these features standard and will be able to offer the vehicle around the GT500's approximate 48-49k starting price point. Even if the ZL1's starting price point was just a few thousand more, it would be a great performance bargain.

I'm just wondering if they will hold back a few performance features at the entry level to compete with the entry level GT500 price and offer the all out performance featured version at a higher price. I believe the GT500 with the track pack runs mid 50's, so I'm wondering if GM will implement a similar pricing and option strategy.
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This would be very nice, but I fully expect to pay a GG tax. And with comments like this below, comments that make me very happy, I'll gladly pay the tax.




I definitely don't want compromises in regards to power for the sake of avoiding the GG tax. If they can somehow pull off both at the same time, great, but all out performance for me is the number one goal not avoiding the tax. Al's words are very encouraging to say the least, so I have faith they won't cripple power output to avoid the GG tax.




I'm sure you are right, it definitely makes the most sense that way.

I'm just thinking in line with the ZL1's main competitor, the GT500. I have a hard time rationalizing how they are going to offer all these features standard and will be able to offer the vehicle around the GT500's approximate 48-49k starting price point. Even if the ZL1's starting price point was just a few thousand more, it would be a great performance bargain.

I'm just wondering if they will hold back a few performance features at the entry level to compete with the entry level GT500 price and offer the all out performance featured version at a higher price. I believe the GT500 with the track pack runs mid 50's, so I'm wondering if GM will implement a similar pricing and option strategy.

Al made no bones about what the intent of the ZL1 is. He said he didn't want to just beat the Mustangs, he wanted to destroy them.

He even made a comment that about they're being mustang fans in the audience, but he didn't care....
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Are the ZL1's a limited production run ? wonder what they projecting ? Need to call insurance agent and ask what the policy for a cts-v would run to get an idea ? and start playing the lottery.
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Al made no bones about what the intent of the ZL1 is. He said he didn't want to just beat the Mustangs, he wanted to destroy them.

He even made a comment that about they're being mustang fans in the audience, but he didn't care....
That's awesome!

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This would be very nice, but I fully expect to pay a GG tax. And with comments like this below, comments that make me very happy, I'll gladly pay the tax.

I definitely don't want compromises in regards to power for the sake of avoiding the GG tax. If they can somehow pull off both at the same time, great, but all out performance for me is the number one goal not avoiding the tax. Al's words are very encouraging to say the least, so I have faith they won't cripple power output to avoid the GG tax.
I definitely don't think they'll compromise power output, but there are other things they can tweak. Gearing, airflow, and aerodynamics to name a few. When the LLT went from CTS to Camaro, it gained several hp and 3mpg hwy.

I'm not banking on it...only optimistic, like I said, that they can overcome the odds to avoid the tax. But since the GT500 avoids it, that's an instant $1000 cost difference I'd think would be worth tackling.


I'm sure you are right, it definitely makes the most sense that way.

I'm just thinking in line with the ZL1's main competitor, the GT500. I have a hard time rationalizing how they are going to offer all these features standard and will be able to offer the vehicle around the GT500's approximate 48-49k starting price point. Even if the ZL1's starting price point was just a few thousand more, it would be a great performance bargain.
They have the advantage of being an OEM. Something like PTM could cost comparatively little given that the car is already equipped with their traction control system, because it's essentially Stabilitrac on steroids.

I'm just wondering if they will hold back a few performance features at the entry level to compete with the entry level GT500 price and offer the all out performance featured version at a higher price. I believe the GT500 with the track pack runs mid 50's, so I'm wondering if GM will implement a similar pricing and option strategy.
Typically, the Camaro team has made standard what the Mustang offers optional. I'm anticipating the same sort of story here.


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Al made no bones about what the intent of the ZL1 is. He said he didn't want to just beat the Mustangs, he wanted to destroy them.

He even made a comment that about they're being mustang fans in the audience, but he didn't care....
Al's awesome! He can be so bluntly honest sometimes it's funny

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Are the ZL1's a limited production run ?
Only limited by cost. (As in fewer people will buy it at ~50k versus the SS at 30k.)
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