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Old 06-11-2011, 07:44 PM   #71
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Are the ZL1's a limited production run ? wonder what they projecting ? Need to call insurance agent and ask what the policy for a cts-v would run to get an idea ? and start playing the lottery.
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Old 06-11-2011, 07:45 PM   #72
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Al made no bones about what the intent of the ZL1 is. He said he didn't want to just beat the Mustangs, he wanted to destroy them.

He even made a comment that about they're being mustang fans in the audience, but he didn't care....
That's awesome!

I've always been a big fan of destruction.
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Old 06-11-2011, 07:56 PM   #73
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I'm more excited than a 15 year old girl at a Bieber concert.
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Old 06-11-2011, 08:03 PM   #74
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This would be very nice, but I fully expect to pay a GG tax. And with comments like this below, comments that make me very happy, I'll gladly pay the tax.

I definitely don't want compromises in regards to power for the sake of avoiding the GG tax. If they can somehow pull off both at the same time, great, but all out performance for me is the number one goal not avoiding the tax. Al's words are very encouraging to say the least, so I have faith they won't cripple power output to avoid the GG tax.
I definitely don't think they'll compromise power output, but there are other things they can tweak. Gearing, airflow, and aerodynamics to name a few. When the LLT went from CTS to Camaro, it gained several hp and 3mpg hwy.

I'm not banking on it...only optimistic, like I said, that they can overcome the odds to avoid the tax. But since the GT500 avoids it, that's an instant $1000 cost difference I'd think would be worth tackling.


I'm sure you are right, it definitely makes the most sense that way.

I'm just thinking in line with the ZL1's main competitor, the GT500. I have a hard time rationalizing how they are going to offer all these features standard and will be able to offer the vehicle around the GT500's approximate 48-49k starting price point. Even if the ZL1's starting price point was just a few thousand more, it would be a great performance bargain.
They have the advantage of being an OEM. Something like PTM could cost comparatively little given that the car is already equipped with their traction control system, because it's essentially Stabilitrac on steroids.

I'm just wondering if they will hold back a few performance features at the entry level to compete with the entry level GT500 price and offer the all out performance featured version at a higher price. I believe the GT500 with the track pack runs mid 50's, so I'm wondering if GM will implement a similar pricing and option strategy.
Typically, the Camaro team has made standard what the Mustang offers optional. I'm anticipating the same sort of story here.


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Al made no bones about what the intent of the ZL1 is. He said he didn't want to just beat the Mustangs, he wanted to destroy them.

He even made a comment that about they're being mustang fans in the audience, but he didn't care....
Al's awesome! He can be so bluntly honest sometimes it's funny

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Are the ZL1's a limited production run ?
Only limited by cost. (As in fewer people will buy it at ~50k versus the SS at 30k.)
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Old 06-11-2011, 08:19 PM   #75
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Old 06-11-2011, 08:32 PM   #76
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Al made no bones about what the intent of the ZL1 is. He said he didn't want to just beat the Mustangs, he wanted to destroy them.

He even made a comment that about they're being mustang fans in the audience, but he didn't care....
Oh yes... thank you for adding that! I forgot to include that comment in my post! I guess I must've been overwhelmed by all the excitement!!!

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Old 06-11-2011, 08:45 PM   #77
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Ahh nice!!! I think when my time comes I will get a manual since it will be the first time that I would have one. This will be good news for a friend of mine that wanted a zl1 but not with the manual.

Now....we need pics in more colors!!
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Old 06-11-2011, 08:47 PM   #78
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I could not absolutely care less about an automatic tranny or any other options. If I can get a 600"ish" HP factory car with full warranty for less than 50k sticker. I am in! I just don't see it myself. I am thinking 52k "ish" base and loaded up.........who knows 57-58??? Either way if it's over 50k base I'm out on a new one. Now a used one in a year or so , if there is no Z28 then yes I may jump on one............
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Old 06-11-2011, 08:52 PM   #79
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Any word on whether there will be actual paddle shifters? Hopefully they don't place the buttons on the back of the steering wheel. Felt like my Playstation controller while going in Sport mode.
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Old 06-11-2011, 09:07 PM   #81
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Any word on whether there will be actual paddle shifters? Hopefully they don't place the buttons on the back of the steering wheel. Felt like my Playstation controller while going in Sport mode.
Chances are same as other Camaros.
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Old 06-11-2011, 09:16 PM   #82
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Nice to have the Auto option, just please don't detune it like they did on the L99 auto's. If GM does go that route, have the option to delet the "Active Fuel Management system" Haven't seen any fuel numbers on the that motor in Cadillac CTS-V, is there a Gas Guzzler tax ?
Some people still don't get that the L99 has a better torque curve and therefore MORE HP below 4200 rpm.
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Old 06-11-2011, 09:16 PM   #83
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Old 06-11-2011, 09:28 PM   #84
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Great!! I hope its northern a bit of 600hp!! That little tvs1900 IS capable of 600+ rwhp! Cmon GM put us back on top of Ford's gt500!
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