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Old 06-11-2011, 09:32 PM   #76
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Al made no bones about what the intent of the ZL1 is. He said he didn't want to just beat the Mustangs, he wanted to destroy them.

He even made a comment that about they're being mustang fans in the audience, but he didn't care....
Oh yes... thank you for adding that! I forgot to include that comment in my post! I guess I must've been overwhelmed by all the excitement!!!

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Old 06-11-2011, 09:45 PM   #77
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Ahh nice!!! I think when my time comes I will get a manual since it will be the first time that I would have one. This will be good news for a friend of mine that wanted a zl1 but not with the manual.

Now....we need pics in more colors!!
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Old 06-11-2011, 09:47 PM   #78
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I could not absolutely care less about an automatic tranny or any other options. If I can get a 600"ish" HP factory car with full warranty for less than 50k sticker. I am in! I just don't see it myself. I am thinking 52k "ish" base and loaded up.........who knows 57-58??? Either way if it's over 50k base I'm out on a new one. Now a used one in a year or so , if there is no Z28 then yes I may jump on one............
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Any word on whether there will be actual paddle shifters? Hopefully they don't place the buttons on the back of the steering wheel. Felt like my Playstation controller while going in Sport mode.
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Old 06-11-2011, 10:07 PM   #81
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Any word on whether there will be actual paddle shifters? Hopefully they don't place the buttons on the back of the steering wheel. Felt like my Playstation controller while going in Sport mode.
Chances are same as other Camaros.
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Old 06-11-2011, 10:16 PM   #82
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Nice to have the Auto option, just please don't detune it like they did on the L99 auto's. If GM does go that route, have the option to delet the "Active Fuel Management system" Haven't seen any fuel numbers on the that motor in Cadillac CTS-V, is there a Gas Guzzler tax ?
Some people still don't get that the L99 has a better torque curve and therefore MORE HP below 4200 rpm.
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Old 06-11-2011, 10:16 PM   #83
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Great!! I hope its northern a bit of 600hp!! That little tvs1900 IS capable of 600+ rwhp! Cmon GM put us back on top of Ford's gt500!
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Old 06-11-2011, 10:39 PM   #85
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+ 1 for me! This is great news, this will also help sales because the GT500 doesn't have an automatic option so we can help some of those Blue Oval fans cross over to the dark side. Just one question remains.... pricing.
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Old 06-11-2011, 10:54 PM   #86
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Many will throw the warranty out the window on their ZL1. Some guys can't leave anything stock. Just look at the GT500. I frequently see GT500s in the shop getting modded.
That can also be said for the Z06 Vette, etc. Guy just love to make their cars faster even if they come with 550hp from the factory.


People will also still purchase SS's and put superchargers on them. Sometimes it's easier to spend 35K on an SS. Then when you have the money spend another 10K on a supercharger, etc.
Some guys just don't have $55k from the get go.

It can also be a lot harder to convince the wife that you need a $55K Camaro.

But for the people that can afford it, getting a ZL1 will be the way to go.
Exactly. And, lot's of people like the cusomization aspect of getting a ride and "selecting" the parts they want vs accepting what's given, and in many cases you're not limited.
The dissappointment I had in the SS, was actually a positive experience that opened up a whole new world for me in performance enhancements. My SS, is now specifically designed to my specifications. And, continuing to test, tune and improve on it on a regular basis.
For those of you planning on getting a ZL1 congratulations, 550hp. is kind of lame at this point in the game. I had that with just a med. size CAM, and headers on an SS. I wonder how that's going to change the price tag though. Any word on that front?
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For those of you planning on getting a ZL1 congratulations, 550hp. is kind of lame at this point in the game. I had that with just a med. size CAM, and headers on an SS. I wonder how that's going to change the price tag though. Any word on that front?
The guys that have 550hp ZL1 will still have a warranty.... You will not!

To each their own!
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For those of you planning on getting a ZL1 congratulations, 550hp. is kind of lame at this point in the game.
Why must you post so negative and pretentious?

Leave alone those who can appreciate the ZL1. They're no threat to you or your car...so stop poking them in the eye, it's unnecessary and immature, if I do say so.
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Why must you post so negative and pretentious?

Leave alone those who can appreciate the ZL1. They're no threat to you or your car...so stop poking them in the eye, it's unnecessary and immature, if I do say so.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that..... I little misinformed and not comparing the car properly yes...... immature.... not necessarily..... there is so much MORE to the ZL1 than the AT LEAST 550HP...... it will have drive train parts that can handle TONS more HP that his car, suspension that will make him drool..... more down force to out run his car because he is getting light and squirrely..... etc....
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I see a ZL1 sharing the garage with Chantilly..... homerun GM!
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Old 06-12-2011, 01:14 AM   #91
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For those of you planning on getting a ZL1 congratulations, 550hp. is kind of lame at this point in the game. I had that with just a med. size CAM, and headers on an SS.
I would not characterize 550 hp (and reading between the lines from what Al O. stated, the ZL1 will have more than 550 hp) from the factory, and with full warranty, as "kind of lame." I would characterize it as damn impressive, especially for a mass produced vehicle.

In history of mass produced automobiles how many of those vehicles have been produced from the factory with more than 550 certified SAE NET horsepower? And how many of those vehicles that had more than 550 horsepower have actually been affordable for the average car buyer?

One of the very impressive attributes of the ZL1, in my opinion, is that, in today's environment, it will offer incredible performance at a price that individuals such as myself, who aren't in the top 0.5 percent of income earners, can afford.

I wouldn't think of criticizing those who purchase SS's and modify them to their heart's content to achieve the personalized vehicle of their desires. I think that's great. However, I don't think that those who are going to purchase a ZL1 will be wasting their money, or are totally clueless because they didn't decide to buy an SS and modify it so it will outperform a stock ZL1.

I could have purchased a 1969 L78 375 horsepower SS (it was rated at 85 more horsepower than the Z28), but I chose to purchase a 1969 Z28 because I loved the balance it offered between handling and straight line performance (and I still love to listen to the idle of the 30-30 cam today just as much as I did on the day I took delivery). Did you characterize the 290 hp first generation Z28s as lame? And if so, do you still characterize the first generation 290 hp Z28s as lame?

Also, even if I had been aware of the 9560 COPO Camaros, which I wasn't at the time, I could not have afforded to purchase one (at $7200 in 1969).

I believe that the 2012 ZL1 will once again, for me, provide the proper trade off between handling, straight line performance, and cost.
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Some people still don't get that the L99 has a better torque curve and therefore MORE HP below 4200 rpm.
and here I thought I was the only one who noticed that

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Great!! I hope its northern a bit of 600hp!! That little tvs1900 IS capable of 600+ rwhp! Cmon GM put us back on top of Ford's gt500!
600+ is getting a little ambitious. If the LLT makes 2.6% more power in the Camaro than it does in the CTS, then that should translate into roughly the same sort of gain in the ZL1. There is also the electric power steering, which would free up a bit of power in the ZL1 vs CTS-V (I think ... unless the CTS-V has EPS too ... ). So all in all, 575 hp isn't unreasonable to expect for a ZL1. Thats obviously not 600+, but its a good deal above 556 too ...

As far as being being 'astounded' by the numbers ... for me, that would take a sub 4 second 0-60 and a 1/4 in the 11's ...

I think those numbers are doable, given what the CTS-V accomplishes but I'd still be astounded to see them
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For those of you planning on getting a ZL1 congratulations, 550hp. is kind of lame at this point in the game. I had that with just a med. size CAM, and headers on an SS.
Never heard of 550hp being lame But we already know it'll have over 550hp. Also for a relatively minor expense I can add 100hp with a pulley, cai and tune.
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Never heard of 550hp being lame But we already know it'll have over 550hp. Also for a relatively minor expense I can add 100hp with a pulley, cai and tune.
not to nitpick but ... over 556 ... that extra 1% makes all the difference
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Kinda a dumb question,
How much HP increase would it take to feel in the Butt meter?
The Cady has 556, how much more would it take to feel any differance, example if it was 560 or 565 would you feel it? Or would it take 15 or 20 HP?
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Kinda a dumb question,
How much HP increase would it take to feel in the Butt meter?
The Cady has 556, how much more would it take to feel any differance, example if it was 560 or 565 would you feel it? Or would it take 15 or 20 HP?
Well ... the ~200 lb drop in weight should be enough to probably feel it with the good 'old butt dyno. ~20 extra hp on top of that (along with other tweaks) should make it even more noticeable
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Good day for automatic ZL1 buyers. GM did good. Hope they paint the carbon hood section the color of the color instead of leaving it unpainted. Or they go with the Jay Leno hood design with twin vents. I like the twin side vent design and they should go with the open rear vent design for the brakes too instead of the faux look it is now.
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I think if we look at what SLP has done with the ZL585 Camaro with regard to performance in their package, I would think that GM can also get the same or better results from an in house GM Performance package. Check motor-week to see what I'm basing my opinions on. Remember GM and SLP have done business in the past with the Fbody cars so I think that what SLP is offering is reliably in the direction GM Performance might be headed with ZL1 but with more sophistication and proven reliability built in. Heres the video from Motor-week:


I talked to Mr. FbodFather himself in Atlanta at the Fbody Gathering where he allowed me get up close with the ZL1 and he reassured me that this thing will be one hell of a performance car, BAR NONE. He said it would not be cheap but it would clearly cost lest than the CTS-V and that if you could not get a ZL1 when it goes on sale, then a car from SLP might be an option that would be more than suitable. He asked me what my track of choice would be, 1/4 mile or road coarse, I replied road coarse because the events lasts longer and I wanted to spend as much time as I could in her and still stay happily married. Scott stated that the ZL1 would be a road coarse terror. This is a video I took with my cell, excuse the quality of my videography skills but I was kinda giddy with excitement.


I would guess high 40K to low 50K for base price. I think I need to save more money for down payment and contact Becky D. @ Rodgers Chevy for assistance in my next purchase. I would love to have my car by the time the Camaro Fest III comes around next year.
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