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Old 04-18-2011, 04:05 AM   #276
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So, you lost to your wife over and over again? Lol, just busting ya balls. Don't take it too hard if it is your first time out; I ran low 9s in the 1/8th my first time out in my stock L99. It just takes practice, practice, practice!
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Old 04-18-2011, 06:41 AM   #277
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Time to eat some crow I suppose... Please remember I am new to track racing (as is my wife). As requested, here are the results of my comparison between the DS Predator 91 oct tune and a DS modified stock tune. I guess the purpose of this post is to give everybody a point of reference. My car is but one of thousands out there and I'm sure each owner has had different experiences and faster and slower times. My car is a 2009 RT with Corsa catbacks, DS Predator tune, catch can and CAI. Michelin Pilot 255/55/18s on rear, stock 18s on front. Again, I am a beginner at this more formalized version of racing other cars (obviously).

These time slips are from 15 April at Firebird Raceway, Chandler, AZ. If anyone stayed late after the Camarofest activities ended for the day, you may have seen me out there. Firebird elevation is 1243 ft above sea level. I ran 10 runs: 5 with a modified stock tune and 5 with the 91 oct CAI canned tune (9r28 crom). Modified stock tune had fans set for Jet 180 t-stat, firmer shifting, MDS off, throttle control set at "0". Engine temps prior to each run were approx 190-194 degrees, outdoor temp around 70-80 degrees. First run was at 6:11 pm, last at 9:52 pm. I'm car 1111 (1st run) and 72 remainder.

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91 oct CAI tune:



I've also attached a link to my times from a week previous, racing my wife in her 2010 GT Premium with CAI (built in) and DS Predator. She's in car 270, I'm in 271. She's new at this too.



Back to 15 April: All runs were with trac control OFF and I reduced the rear tire pressure to 28 psi. We only get 91 oct gas around here and I've been told octane booster isn't so great for your car, so I simply use the 91 tune/gas. I did find that the tires (street) hooked up better at 28 psi than the previous week at 36 psi.

Launching: I quit power braking and raising the rpm's. While this may work with slicks or drag radials, it does not with street tires. Instead, I simply went straight from the brake to the accelerator and tried not to floor it so quickly. I "rapidly" eased into it so to speak. I drove around the water and not through it (quit doing the burnouts).

I also learned (for me) to stage (stop) right when the 2nd staging light came on. When the countdown began, I would release the brake and begin accelerating when the 2nd yellow came on (I figured that out on my last two runs - see the R/T times drop).

In all honesty, I believe that by applying what I've learned to driving the GT, the 2010 GT is quite comparable to the RT and other cars with similar power to weight ratio's. Anyway, I'm hooked on track racing now - so's the wife. Hopefully those times will come down sooner than later. Also, here's a link for working out the DA factor: http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...calculator.php

Have fun with this.

Hey, you were willing to share, most people wouldn`t have posted this, so you are all right in my book.
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Damn that's pretty thorough...
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Old 04-18-2011, 09:44 AM   #279
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damn man, your times are all over the place....got to figure out the pattern and stick to it...right now you're 14.0-15.3. Once you get a consistant time, you'll probably crack into the 13's, but with as much variety in your times above, you're definitely still learning your car.
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:27 AM   #280
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hey AZMSCL you'll get better it take time and practise it is possible for low 13's here's my slip from opening day # 517. all i got is a catback ,custom tune, cai and a 85mm throttlebody
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Old 04-18-2011, 01:55 PM   #281
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damn man, your times are all over the place....got to figure out the pattern and stick to it...right now you're 14.0-15.3. Once you get a consistant time, you'll probably crack into the 13's, but with as much variety in your times above, you're definitely still learning your car.
Actually, the 15.3 was my wife. She accidentally braked before the finish line.
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Old 04-18-2011, 01:59 PM   #282
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Does anyone here use the DS Predator tuner? Anyhoo, granted, the time/speed results are not earth shattering, however, to make it a little easier to get the point of the time slips is this: I averaged the times and speeds of my runs with the DS 91 oct tune vs those of the modified stock tune. I had 9 runs using the 91 oct tune (over 2 different days) and 5 runs (one day) using the modified stock tune. I cooled the engine to somewhere between 190-194 degrees between runs. All Predator settings for each tune were the same - fan settings, firmer shifting, MDS off, tire sizes, etc. The other point was to give you guys an idea of where the RT is at timewise (I know, others are faster).


The thing that really shocked me was the difference in performance between the two:

DS 91 oct tune speed/time average: 96.17 mph @ 14.55 secs (9 runs)

DS modified stock tune speed/time average: 100.26 mph @ 14.23 secs (5 runs)

The modified stock tune was 4.9 mph and .32 secs faster on average!

For those interested in approx DA info: Density Altitude: 3089 feet, Relative Density: 91.27 %

Again, I'm not trying to bash the DS Predator - it's a great tool. I did however expect to get better results using the 91 oct tune and frankly, I'm surprised. I realize these are not a lot of runs to make judgements, however, there are enough to see there is a substantial difference. While I'm going to continue with this little experiment, I would appreciate it if anyone can shed some light on these results!
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did you raise your shift points and max redline by 150-200rpm? Get yourself a 180' thermostat, and set your cooling fans to kick on at a lower temp. I would do the 25 cent fan mod too....just a 8 gauge jumper to replace either your high side or low side or 2 to do both so they run while you're parked and get that engine cooler quicker. the hemi hates to run hot.
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Old 04-19-2011, 12:52 AM   #284
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did you raise your shift points and max redline by 150-200rpm? Get yourself a 180' thermostat, and set your cooling fans to kick on at a lower temp. I would do the 25 cent fan mod too....just a 8 gauge jumper to replace either your high side or low side or 2 to do both so they run while you're parked and get that engine cooler quicker. the hemi hates to run hot.
Your not supposed to raise the shift points on an RT. I have the 180 t-stat and lowered the fan temps on both tunes - the settings were identical. Seems like a custom tune is the way to go.
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you got the same nag1 trans I had in my rt magnum, srt8 magnum, and srt8 challenger...why can't you raise the shift points? I can understand not raising your redline....but not on the shift points? interesting.
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you got the same nag1 trans I had in my rt magnum, srt8 magnum, and srt8 challenger...why can't you raise the shift points? I can understand not raising your redline....but not on the shift points? interesting.
Could be wrong.
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I imagine there must be some great Mopar Tuners out there such as what we have with Ted Jannetty here. Why don't you purchase one of their custom tunes then you know you have the right settings to achieve the best performance?
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I imagine there must be some great Mopar Tuners out there such as what we have with Ted Jannetty here. Why don't you purchase one of their custom tunes then you know you have the right settings to achieve the best performance?

There is DTP in VA beach...They are big Mopar tuners in this area.
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The computer programming and tuning that came with the third generation Hemi engines (2009-current) and associated programming for the transmission, IIRC, does not allow the changing of shift points.
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I imagine there must be some great Mopar Tuners out there such as what we have with Ted Jannetty here. Why don't you purchase one of their custom tunes then you know you have the right settings to achieve the best performance?
Yeah, I'm going to look into a custome tune, maybe even a dyno tune. If I could find a good company for an email tune, I might try that. Does Ted Jannetty have a website? What about DTP?
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Yeah, I'm going to look into a custome tune, maybe even a dyno tune. If I could find a good company for an email tune, I might try that. Does Ted Jannetty have a website? What about DTP?
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The SRT-8 Jeep is the fastest SRT badged vehicle not named Viper....and it's got a sub 5 second 0-60....and a 1/4 mile that even the Corvette would be proud of..
NO, actually, the Jeep is the slowest SRT8 of them all. I use to have a charger SRT8 and raced a lot of jeeps SRT8, and they will get you of the line because of the AWD, but you will catch them at the 1/8 mile and beat them by about a car.

I love both cars, the one thing I don't like about the SRT8 is that they are more expensive to mod, and you also have less options in parts.... If I were you I wouldn't have trade the Camaro for a Challenger
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NO, actually, the Jeep is the slowest SRT8 of them all. I use to have a charger SRT8 and raced a lot of jeeps SRT8, and they will get you of the line because of the AWD, but you will catch them at the 1/8 mile and beat them by about a car.

I love both cars, the one thing I don't like about the SRT8 is that they are more expensive to mod, and you also have less options in parts.... If I were you I wouldn't have trade the Camaro for a Challenger
Dude, I don't know where your getting your information, but mine is straight from Dodge.....and about a half dozen magazines on top of that...

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he's using actual personal experience to reference. The srt8 jeep is a beast off the line, but at the last 1/8 mile, they fall short (stock of course) compared to the rwd srt8's. The rediculoudly fast srt8 jeeps are running a blower, n2o or bigger cubes or all 3. Not saying the jeep is slow, but at 5K+ lbs, awd and tall gears, it's meant to launch hard.....not run long in the end.
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Wish I would've been there, then I could've provided video to accompany my little smiley guy...

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he's using actual personal experience to reference. The srt8 jeep is a beast off the line, but at the last 1/8 mile, they fall short (stock of course) compared to the rwd srt8's. The rediculoudly fast srt8 jeeps are running a blower, n2o or bigger cubes or all 3. Not saying the jeep is slow, but at 5K+ lbs, awd and tall gears, it's meant to launch hard.....not run long in the end.

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so you like halo, beyonce and john mayer....interesting
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so you like halo, beyonce and john mayer....interesting
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