Help me silence my friend's claims of Ford Mustang superiority!

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by '11BlackV6Stang

Please stop trolling this forum.

You're giving all the decent Camaro owners a bad name ...

Dude, what are you talking about? what is your problem? There were comments about why they see more 2010+ camaros then they see 2010+ mustangs. Am i wrong in that the overall sales of camaros over the mustangs over the last few years has been greater then the mustangs? I'm sorry if this is news to you, but I can go get the proof if you need it. I basically told them that that's probably the reason they see more camaros...you are a weird guy...

[Amenti]

Originally Posted by '11BlackV6Stang

Please stop trolling this forum.

You're giving all the decent Camaro owners a bad name ...

Whoa there, pardner. You might want to check your bruised ego at the door and simmer down.

He was just stating a well-publicized fact in response to comments that some people are seeing more 2010+ Camaros around than 2010+ Mustangs.

Resorting to calling a long-time and constant contributor to the Camaro V6 forums a troll when you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about just makes you look thin-skinned and immature. Perhaps you should take your own advice, except replace "Camaro" with "Mustang," obviously.

[AZ MSCL]

Originally Posted by TotallyDavis

When a friend heard I was thinking of getting the new Camaro, he immediately launched into a tirade about Ford being one of the only companies that didn't need the bailout, and about the Mustang having clearly better specs, design, features, and just generally being a faster & better built car.

I don't think I know as much as you all do about defending the Camaro properly, so I thought I'd ask advice.

What's the real story?

Here's the real story: Decide what options you want and go drive each car several times until you figure out which car is right for you. Get pre-approved for a loan that will cover the cost of any choices you are contemplating. The Mustang, Camaro and Challenger all have good/bad points - none are "perfect." The car should "speak" to you, when you find it. Happy hunting.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

I think people are really missing out on the danger of the Camaro.... Since it's roofline is so low, that means in the instance of a rollover your spine becomes the crumple zone resulting in YOU being in a wheelchair the rest of your life, this fatal flaw is really being overlooked.

Look at some of the Camaro's on here, there's over 140 wrecked. The rollovers looks really bad ! Search 2010-present Camaro.
http://www.carfrom.us/car/search/action/showForm/

Look at page 11. There's a SS that says ZL454 on it, and there's a Camaro with a devastating frontal collision whose airbags didn't deploy(the speedometer still says 80 mph!!).

[chain777]

Originally Posted by VaderSS

I like them both, but chose the Camaro....mostly due to the LS3 and styling. I think Chevy created a terrific blend of modern and late 60's muscle.

If you are seeking facts, here's an article I ran across:

Vehicle Comparison: The 2011 Chevrolet Camaro SS vs. the Ford Mustang GT
Technical analysis reveals clear advantages for one.

Man had not yet walked on the moon when car magazines published the first comparisons between the Camaro and Mustang. Since the first showdowns of these models in the fall of 1966, car magazines have sold many issues with “Camaro vs. Mustang” cover lines. And more often than not, the Camaro has come out the winner. An in-depth look at these cars reveals key areas of performance and safety where the 2011 Camaro SS excels by a wide margin.

In 2011, drivers expect more than just straight-line performance from even muscle cars. Still, it’s worth noting that when Car and Driver matched the 2011 Camaro SS six-speed stick shift against the 2011 Mustang GT six-speed stick shift, the Camaro blasted through the quarter-mile in 13 seconds flat at 111 mph. The Mustang came up a bit short at 13.2 seconds at 109 mph. That equates to about two car lengths in a race.

When you look at the performance equipment each of these cars offers, you’ll find a decided advantage in the Camaro SS, which has an MSRP of $31,070 for the standard SS1 model. The 2012 Mustang GT begins at an MSRP of $29,310, but a disparity in braking technology favoring the Camaro SS quickly closes that gap. All Camaro SS models come standard with Brembo high-performance brand four-wheel disc brakes and 20-inch alloy wheels. The Mustang GT comes standard with 18-inch alloy wheels; upgrading to Brembo brakes and 19-inch wheels requires adding an option package for $1,695. However, odd but true, the package puts genuine Brembo brakes only on the Mustang GT’s front wheels.

Each of these cars arrives at its performance peak differently. Under the long Camaro hood beats the latest generation Chevy small block V8, in this case, essentially the same 6.2-liter engine used by the Corvette. The Camaro SS with a six-speed manual shift pounds out 426 hp at 5,900 rpm and 420 lb/ft of peak torque at 4,600 rpm. Those figures beat the Mustang GT’s smaller-displacement 5.0-liter V8, which offers 412 hp and 390 lb/ft of torque. Both cars offer an optional six-speed automatic transmission.

If you know your muscle car engines, you can tell from those figures that the Camaro SS is going to provide a more classic muscle car feel from its bigger-engine/higher torque personality. Edmunds Inside Line went a step further, measuring these cars’ ability to do a burnout; the Camaro SS laid down an astounding 186 feet of rubber, continuing right through second gear. The Mustang could muster just 72 feet. Though hardly a valid performance test, it does provide a fun demonstration of the superior low-end power of the Camaro.

On a more serious note, there is an area of chassis technology where the Mustang trails the Camaro in an undisputable way: All Camaro models, including the SS versions, ride on four-wheel independent suspensions while the Mustang remains among the last rear-wheel drive cars built with a solid rear axle. That’s a bit of muscle car nostalgia that drivers of other modern sports coupes would never accept. Drive a Camaro SS over a bumpy road, and that independent rear helps keep the big rear tires planted; a car with a solid axle car tends to “hop” a bit over bumps.

Style is a matter of preference, of course, but one cannot deny that the new Camaro knocked peoples’ socks off from the time it appeared as a concept car in 2006. The 2011 Camaro SS emotionally evokes the 1969 Camaro, but does not copy it.
Both of these muscle coupes offer safety that’s light-years better than their 1960s forbears. Both are equipped with traction control and electronic stability control, for example. In terms of occupant protection, the Camaro comes standard with six standard airbags including side-curtain airbags for front and rear occupants. The Mustang, however, does not offer side-curtain airbags, which seems like a glaring omission in 2011.

On the fun side of the ledger, you can equip the Camaro SS with a power tilt and slide sunroof, but not the Mustang GT. When it comes to connectivity, the Camaro SS comes standard with OnStar® including a subscription to Directions and Connections with Automatic Crash Response, Turn-by-Turn Navigation and other services for six months. The Mustang offers Ford’s SYNC® system, but you have to step up to the costlier GT Premium model to get it, and SYNC does not provide the full telematics capability that OnStar does.

Both the Camaro SS and Mustang GT have their share of partisan supporters who might not consider the other car. However, for those who analyze performance, safety and value, the 2011 Camaro SS clearly leads its esteemed competitor. Come in and test-drive this modern legend soon.

What's the source of this article?

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Car guys respect a nice, well performing car, regardless of their opinions or taste. Newbs and fanboys talk smack. Remember that. You don't see the smack-talking yuppies with stock cars they paid $5k over MSRP for doing well at the track, or even there for that matter. You see them in parking lots talking about how their special dealer installed exhaust makes an extra 200hp and how ______ manufacturer doesn't have a chance against their car.

If all you like is chevy or ford, you're not a car guy, you're a chevy or ford fanboy. There are plenty of amazing vehicles from almost every manufacturer and if you are so blind as to believe that only one can make a good car, you're a fanboy through and through.

I have been saying this forever here. It is funny to read comments from people who obviously just got their first car, a 5th Gen Camaro largely based on the robot movies because it is the fad thing to do, suddenly, they are "car guys" with car expert opinions. When your best poke at the competition is apperance...you are insecure about your car, period.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by '11BlackV6Stang

Please stop trolling this forum.

You're giving all the decent Camaro owners a bad name ...

he is not a troll. he is a cam5 bro with 9k posts.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by VaderSS

I like them both, but chose the Camaro....mostly due to the LS3 and styling. I think Chevy created a terrific blend of modern and late 60's muscle.

If you are seeking facts, here's an article I ran across:

Vehicle Comparison: The 2011 Chevrolet Camaro SS vs. the Ford Mustang GT
Technical analysis reveals clear advantages for one.

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So the plethora of other articles showing the 5.0 with an advantage aren't facts? Pick those cherries!

[syr74]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

So the plethora of other articles showing the 5.0 with an advantage aren't facts? Pick those cherries!

It's from a Chevy advertisement used by dealerships to try and gets people to schedule test drives.

[VaderSS]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

So the plethora of other articles showing the 5.0 with an advantage aren't facts? Pick those cherries!

Perhaps you missed the "I like them both" statement (which were the first words I wrote). This whole Camaro vs Mustang animosity is high school level bullshit. I must just be the old guy in a room full of teenagers.

[Rock36]

Originally Posted by VaderSS

Perhaps you missed the "I like them both" statement (which were the first words I wrote). This whole Camaro vs Mustang animosity is high school level bullshit. I must just be the old guy in a room full of teenagers.

+1 IMHO, the Ford vs Chevy thing should have died long ago (or at least quieted down a bit ha ha) when imports started taking market share in North America back in the 80s and 90s.

I at least respect Ford for aiming at the BMW M3 as a performance objective instead of another round against the Camaro.

[Super Sport 6.2]

2011 mustang gt vs. 2010 camaro ss

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...camaro-ss.html

The Big Pedal on the Right
There are those who will judge this match purely on drag strip performance. OK, fine. The Camaro SS is still quicker than the Mustang GT. But not by much


On the quarter-mile at Auto Club Speedway in lush, parklike Fontana, California, IL's long-term Camaro SS whomped to 60 mph from a standstill in just 5.1 seconds with the traction control turned off (4.8 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip). The full quarter-mile went by in 13.1 seconds at 110.4 mph.
Our red Mustang GT (on all-season Pirelli P Zero Nero tires) matched the Camaro SS's blast to 60 mph by hitting that speed in an identical 5.1 seconds from a standstill with the traction control turned off (4.8 seconds with 1 foot of rollout). But the quarter-mile took another two-tenths to complete with a slightly lower trap speed, 13.3 seconds at 107.3 mph.
That's a razor-thin advantage for the Camaro and, just to throw in some additional ambiguity, we also tested another Mustang GT (this one in blue and wearing summer tires), which ripped to 60 mph in 4.8 seconds and blitzed the 1,320 feet in 13 seconds at 110.6 mph. That's the kind of razor's edge that can be measured in microns.
Yeah, the straight-line performance is agonizingly close (and apparently varies car to car), but that doesn't mean the power plants of the Camaro SS and Mustang GT are clones of each other. With its advantage of 1.2 liters in displacement and old-school pushrod valvetrain, the Camaro's 6.2-liter LS3 V8 makes big chunks of torque down low in its power band (it peaks at 420 pound-feet at 4,600 rpm, but also makes plenty right off idle), and then pulls strong until it starves for air near its 6,400-rpm redline. It's a throwback engine with great bottom-end grunt and a pretty good top end
Drivers Race

Rick

[BiG_TiMe]

some of my friends also raged at me that the mustang is better. just tell em to STFU

[Unobtainium]

Driver's race on about any track. (2011 'stang)